tried everything
even the light slap on the hands is a last resort
when I held him he though it was a game
I honestly believe there needs to be some other sensory association to go along with the NO when they are too young to understand groups of words
just like a hug or a high five needs to go along with "good job" or "good boy"
words just dont mean as much to younger children
I respectfully disagree about words not meaning much to a small child.
Mine gets extremely upset if he knows that he upset mommy.
I have slapped his hand and that hurts his feelings more than hurts him physically as I obviously wouldn't slap him hard.
And when I am upset with him, I sit down and talk to him about it.
He just turned 3 and has sat on his time out stool 2 times.
Cause I'm broken when I'm lonesome
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
Did your parents let you fart at the dinner table? Yeah, plenty of parents feel it's wrong.
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
I don't know. *looks around* They were here a second ago. Hey, I thought you said you were taking them. Kids!?
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
each kid is different and requires different types of discipline
If and when I have kids, I want the type which doesn't require spanking.
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
I respectfully disagree about words not meaning much to a small child.
Mine gets extremely upset if he knows that he upset mommy.
I have slapped his hand and that hurts his feelings more than hurts him physically as I obviously wouldn't slap him hard.
And when I am upset with him, I sit down and talk to him about it.
He just turned 3 and has sat on his time out stool 2 times.
I knew youd chime in on that
Im talking about younger ages, when they still dont quite understand
like 1.5-2
Now I can talk to my boy, but not a year ago
His physical abilities advanced much much faster than his language
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
fair enough
but you should respect the decisions other people make with respect their kids
each kid is different and requires different types of discipline
and if you read the dialog carefully, youd see we are not talking about spanking
i was 1st to reply one this thread and it was with good common sense.. unlike the non-parents who have replied and stated nothing wrong with spanking them... how would they know? they dont have kids.
i dont do respect.. its overrated.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
Everyone knows fighting fire with fire doesn't work.
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
i got 2... both never been spanked nor will they be.
both are awesome and solve world hunger in their spare time.
unless in their future...*FWAP*
:eek: what??? oh GROSS!!!
(sorry but i kinda had to it's some sort of weird posting rule. rule 234 b states quite clearly that when Dunkman makes a statement about spanking - no matter how innocently someone had to give a bit of nipple pinch/spanky action in a post...it's not me, Dunkman, dude it's this system of rules.)
and now back to something completely different: the topic on hand - which is NOT spanking actually - it's MCKB's little kid who doesn't like to hear NO when he goes for the rubbish bin...:D
IF YOU WANT A PLATE OF MY BEEF SWELLINGTON, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY THE COVERCHARGE.
No age is too young to start conditioning your child.
I wouldn't recommend using something good as punishment. Actually, I wouldn't suggest punishment, per se. You just want to use a suppression mechanism. I suppose you could call that punishment, but don't do it with malice. Just be firm.
Statistically, the following Authoritative type of parenting produces the best results.
This is characterized by high expectations of compliance to parental rules and directions, an open dialogue about those rules and behaviors, and a child-centered approach characterized by warm, positive affect. Authoritative parents encourage the child to be independent. Authoritative parents are not usually controlling allowing the child to explore more freely.[2] Authoritative parents are strict, demands obedience, but when punishing a child, the parent will always explain his or her motive for their punishment.[3] The resulting children have a higher self esteem, are independent, and happy. Children who are subject to this kind of parenting may debate with their parents and may form their own seemingly logical opinions in order to justify their disobedience.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
unless in their future...*FWAP*
what??? oh GROSS!!!
(sorry but i kinda had to it's some sort of weird posting rule. rule 234 b states quite clearly that when Dunkman makes a statement about spanking - no matter how innocently someone had to give a bit of nipple pinch/spanky action in a post...it's not me, Dunkman, dude it's this system of rules.)
and now back to something completely different: the topic on hand - which is NOT spanking actually - it's MCKB's little kid who doesn't like to hear NO when he goes for the rubbish bin...:D
Carry on... don't mind me... I'm just the thread starter... :mad:
No age is too young to start conditioning your child.
I wouldn't recommend using something good as punishment. Actually, I wouldn't suggest punishment, per se. You just want to use a suppression mechanism. I suppose you could call that punishment, but don't do it with malice. Just be firm.
Statistically, the following Authoritative type of parenting produces the best results.
This is characterized by high expectations of compliance to parental rules and directions, an open dialogue about those rules and behaviors, and a child-centered approach characterized by warm, positive affect. Authoritative parents encourage the child to be independent. Authoritative parents are not usually controlling allowing the child to explore more freely.[2] Authoritative parents are strict, demands obedience, but when punishing a child, the parent will always explain his or her motive for their punishment.[3] The resulting children have a higher self esteem, are independent, and happy. Children who are subject to this kind of parenting may debate with their parents and may form their own seemingly logical opinions in order to justify their disobedience.
I posted somethin like that only wiffout the textbook...:p
you might want to post the definitions for the permissive types and the Authoritative types since the second one was referenced and the first would be a good comparison basis.
IF YOU WANT A PLATE OF MY BEEF SWELLINGTON, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY THE COVERCHARGE.
Carry on... don't mind me... I'm just the thread starter... :mad:
awww princess flower lotus blossom of lovuleyness! ¿Qué quieres?
I wanted to return back to the topic - and that is your kid...btw how is the bin/no vortex of stubborn doin???
keep at it - tiresome and seemingly futile the payoff is a kid that can and will respond to your statements and trust your decisions and judgments...besides when you "divert" hi and join him in a play/game/experience he will like that better than trying for soggy bits from the bin!!
GOOD LUCK Sweets!
(I totally got your sarcasm there too - so I wasnt offended, I just wanted to do a little pandering..i am in such a fwunky fwunky floooopth mood! )
IF YOU WANT A PLATE OF MY BEEF SWELLINGTON, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY THE COVERCHARGE.
I posted somethin like that only wiffout the textbook...:p
you might want to post the definitions for the permissive types and the Authoritative types since the second one was referenced and the first would be a good comparison basis.
Good idea.
Authoritarian
This style is characterized by high expectations of conformity and compliance to parental rules and directions. Authoritarian parents expect much of their child but do not explain the rules at all, unlike the Authoritative parent.[4] Authoritarian parents are most likely to hit a child as a form of punishment instead of grounding a child.[5] The resulting children from this type of parenting lack social competence as the parent generally predicts what the child should do instead of allowing the child to choose by him or herself.[6] The children also rarely take initiatives. They are socially withdrawn and look to others to decide what's right. These children lack spontaneity and lack curiosity.[7]
Permissive
This parenting style is a warm,but lax pattern of parenting in which adults make relatively few demands and permit their children to freely express their feelings and impulses. Few rules;few demands They do not closely monitor their children's activity and rarely exert firm control over their behavior. Usually non-punitive. These children tend to be more selfish, impulsive, insecure and low achievers. They tend to lack in social responsibility.[citation needed]
Neglectful
Neglectful parenting, also known as neglectful or nonconformist parenting, is similar to permissive parenting but the parent does not care much about the child. The parents are generally not involved in their child's life, but will provide basic needs for the child.[8]
This is from wikipedia. It's on target, though I'm positive Diana Baumrind only had three classifications with Permissive and Neglectful being the same category. I do like this new distinction though.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Everyone knows fighting fire with fire doesn't work.
the hitting and kicking came way before-c'mon people-read what Im saying instead of generalizing
and the light slap on the wrist or the feet (certainlly not to the point of crying), or holding him down so he couldnt kick WHILE SPEAKING CLEARLY worked perfectly
and this was well before he was FLUENT
I believe our resident expert even confirmed this as an effective method
A few too many idealists. You know its like being vegetarian, there are many different levels. Its not an all or none rule.
Im sure none of you had to use a little physical restraint to hold them still while changing a diaper or trying to get them dressed.
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Mine gets extremely upset if he knows that he upset mommy.
I have slapped his hand and that hurts his feelings more than hurts him physically as I obviously wouldn't slap him hard.
And when I am upset with him, I sit down and talk to him about it.
He just turned 3 and has sat on his time out stool 2 times.
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
Did your parents let you fart at the dinner table? Yeah, plenty of parents feel it's wrong.
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
Only if I lifted a cheek and made the arm gesture of pulling on a train whistle.
"The leads are weak? Fuckin' leads are weak? You're Weak! I've Been in this business 15 years"
"What's your name?"
"FUCK YOU! THAT"S MY NAME!"
And he will excuse others, as well.
He knows it is a normal bodily function.
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
fair enough
but you should respect the decisions other people make with respect their kids
each kid is different and requires different types of discipline
and if you read the dialog carefully, youd see we are not talking about spanking
HAHAHA! I can't tell you how much delight I got from reading that! heehee.
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
fucking gypsies
angels share laughter
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
He knows! He was the first to answer!
uptight ones.
little kids don't fart. they say "i dropped a fluffy" or "so and so dropped a fluffy"
angels share laughter
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
If and when I have kids, I want the type which doesn't require spanking.
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
I knew youd chime in on that
Im talking about younger ages, when they still dont quite understand
like 1.5-2
Now I can talk to my boy, but not a year ago
His physical abilities advanced much much faster than his language
Mine
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
well I hope they are little princes and princesses
Same here.
I only just learnt today that he's just like me and (bf). He's so stubborn.
i was 1st to reply one this thread and it was with good common sense.. unlike the non-parents who have replied and stated nothing wrong with spanking them... how would they know? they dont have kids.
i dont do respect.. its overrated.
Hi there
I think if the issue is age, simply removing the child from the occasion of misbehavior is enough. No corporal punishment of any kind necessary.
fair enough
thats funny
You are underestimating the intelligence and acumen of young children.
Children are more or less fluent by age 2. I know some more than others but nevertheless fluent.
I'm not surprised. Look where he got it from.
Everyone knows fighting fire with fire doesn't work.
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
unless in their future...*FWAP*
:eek: what??? oh GROSS!!!
(sorry but i kinda had to it's some sort of weird posting rule. rule 234 b states quite clearly that when Dunkman makes a statement about spanking - no matter how innocently someone had to give a bit of nipple pinch/spanky action in a post...it's not me, Dunkman, dude it's this system of rules.)
and now back to something completely different: the topic on hand - which is NOT spanking actually - it's MCKB's little kid who doesn't like to hear NO when he goes for the rubbish bin...:D
I wouldn't recommend using something good as punishment. Actually, I wouldn't suggest punishment, per se. You just want to use a suppression mechanism. I suppose you could call that punishment, but don't do it with malice. Just be firm.
Statistically, the following Authoritative type of parenting produces the best results.
This is characterized by high expectations of compliance to parental rules and directions, an open dialogue about those rules and behaviors, and a child-centered approach characterized by warm, positive affect. Authoritative parents encourage the child to be independent. Authoritative parents are not usually controlling allowing the child to explore more freely.[2] Authoritative parents are strict, demands obedience, but when punishing a child, the parent will always explain his or her motive for their punishment.[3] The resulting children have a higher self esteem, are independent, and happy. Children who are subject to this kind of parenting may debate with their parents and may form their own seemingly logical opinions in order to justify their disobedience.
Carry on... don't mind me... I'm just the thread starter... :mad:
You said the romance would never go away. :(
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
you might want to post the definitions for the permissive types and the Authoritative types since the second one was referenced and the first would be a good comparison basis.
awww princess flower lotus blossom of lovuleyness! ¿Qué quieres?
I wanted to return back to the topic - and that is your kid...btw how is the bin/no vortex of stubborn doin???
keep at it - tiresome and seemingly futile the payoff is a kid that can and will respond to your statements and trust your decisions and judgments...besides when you "divert" hi and join him in a play/game/experience he will like that better than trying for soggy bits from the bin!!
GOOD LUCK Sweets!
(I totally got your sarcasm there too - so I wasnt offended, I just wanted to do a little pandering..i am in such a fwunky fwunky floooopth mood! )
Good idea.
Authoritarian
This style is characterized by high expectations of conformity and compliance to parental rules and directions. Authoritarian parents expect much of their child but do not explain the rules at all, unlike the Authoritative parent.[4] Authoritarian parents are most likely to hit a child as a form of punishment instead of grounding a child.[5] The resulting children from this type of parenting lack social competence as the parent generally predicts what the child should do instead of allowing the child to choose by him or herself.[6] The children also rarely take initiatives. They are socially withdrawn and look to others to decide what's right. These children lack spontaneity and lack curiosity.[7]
Permissive
This parenting style is a warm,but lax pattern of parenting in which adults make relatively few demands and permit their children to freely express their feelings and impulses. Few rules;few demands They do not closely monitor their children's activity and rarely exert firm control over their behavior. Usually non-punitive. These children tend to be more selfish, impulsive, insecure and low achievers. They tend to lack in social responsibility.[citation needed]
Neglectful
Neglectful parenting, also known as neglectful or nonconformist parenting, is similar to permissive parenting but the parent does not care much about the child. The parents are generally not involved in their child's life, but will provide basic needs for the child.[8]
This is from wikipedia. It's on target, though I'm positive Diana Baumrind only had three classifications with Permissive and Neglectful being the same category. I do like this new distinction though.
remove the hands and feet? Im am sorry but you seem to have not read the entire discussion
I am not underestimating the intelligence of my child at the developmental stage I was discussing
wrong again and slower for boys. In my paricular case, my son speaks two languages, so, the development is taking a bit longer.
We are not talking about spanking
You idealists have never dealt with a an active boy, that much is clear.
the hitting and kicking came way before-c'mon people-read what Im saying instead of generalizing
and the light slap on the wrist or the feet (certainlly not to the point of crying), or holding him down so he couldnt kick WHILE SPEAKING CLEARLY worked perfectly
and this was well before he was FLUENT
I believe our resident expert even confirmed this as an effective method
A few too many idealists. You know its like being vegetarian, there are many different levels. Its not an all or none rule.
Im sure none of you had to use a little physical restraint to hold them still while changing a diaper or trying to get them dressed.