what does this saying mean to you?

gue_barium

"Nice guys finish last."

I've never really been able to fathom the logic behind this old saying.

Phantom Pain

Usually the nice guys are the ones that get shit on

Or the ones that dont get the girl, they'd rather go for the asshole rather then the nice guy

gue_barium

Phantom Pain wrote:

Usually the nice guys are the ones that get shit on

Or the ones that dont get the girl, they'd rather go for the asshole rather then the nice guy

Is that true, though, or is that just coming from somebody's bitterness?

Phantom Pain

gue_barium wrote:

Is that true, though, or is that just coming from somebody's bitterness?

I think its true

Its happened with plenty of my friends

Phantom Pain

I think it goes both ways as welll with guys and girls

Jeanie

Isn't it part of that cultural thing that winning is everything?
That there is nothing more important than winning?
And that whatever is takes to win is acceptable?

My take has always been that it's the idea that if you're nice then you can't win and will always finish last, but I guess that would depend on what your definition of winning and losing is.

To my way of thinking if you're a nice guy you're already winning.

I've always been much more an advocate of:

It's not whether you win or lose but how you play the game that counts.

gue_barium

I dunno. I still don't get it.

Phantom Pain

Jeanie wrote:

Isn't it part of that cultural thing that winning is everything?
That there is nothing more important than winning?
And that whatever is takes to win is acceptable?

My take has always been that it's the idea that if you're nice then you can't win and will always finish last, but I guess that would depend on what your definition of winning and losing is.

To my way of thinking if you're a nice guy you're already winning.

I've always been much more an advocate of:

It's not whether you win or lose but how you play the game that counts.

"I'm sorry. It's just that I've never seen people celebrate mediocrity the way you do."


I agree with that also win at all cost is another way of saying it

If you're not aggressive enough in relationships or your job you may finish "last"

Brain of J.Lo

gue_barium wrote:

"Nice guys finish last."

I've never really been able to fathom the logic behind this old saying.

To me, it means that nice people don't compromise their niceness to get ahead...and, sadly, they suffer for it.

I do think it's true in a lot of situations. But, I'd rather be nice than "successful", if I have to choose between the two.

Jeanie

Phantom Pain wrote:

"I'm sorry. It's just that I've never seen people celebrate mediocrity the way you do."


I agree with that also win at all cost is another way of saying it

If you're not aggressive enough in relationships or your job you may finish "last"

OH I LOVE THAT!!!! Where is it from????

I'm happy with last. At least I can cry myself to sleep at night knowing I'm not treading on people!

Phantom Pain

Jeanie wrote:

OH I LOVE THAT!!!! Where is it from????

I'm happy with last. At least I can cry myself to sleep at night knowing I'm not treading on people!

Its from........MEET THE FOCKERS

He's showing off all his last place ribbons..LoL

Jeanie

Phantom Pain wrote:

Its from........MEET THE FOCKERS

He's showing off all his last place ribbons..LoL

Aha! I thought I'd heard it recently! They had it on the tele here the other week. That was a brilliant scene!

Don't forget the participation awards! Those things are priceless!

covered in bliss

it's just a dumb old saying.

Like 'early to bed and early to rise...'
or
'an apple a day keeps the doctor away'. (no, it doesn't, it just helps you poop.)

Cree Nations

covered in bliss wrote:

or
'an apple a day keeps the doctor away'. (no, it doesn't, it just helps you poop.)

I do not think you have ever really eaten an apple a day for a good consecutive period of time...You're not giving it a chance man, you believe the apple is nothing more than a lowly fruit on the fruit totem pole of nutrition...how dare you.

covered in bliss

Cree Nations wrote:

I do not think you have ever really eaten an apple a day for a good consecutive period of time...You're not giving it a chance man, you believe the apple is nothing more than a lowly fruit on the fruit totem pole of nutrition...how dare you.

I love apples and I do eat them almost every day. I dip the unpeeled wedges in 2 TBS of almond butter so maybe the AB keeps the doctor away?

justjoshingu

i dont think its a dumb saying.
i think its true.

if two people get bad service at a restaraunt and one is a loud obnoxious jerk and demands it get taken care of and the other person says, "excuse me miss, but i would like this please taken care of"

who gets served first?

and in relationships especially, the girl will 99% of the time go for the jerk.

i once was going after this girl with the usualy way i am. treating her well. i wrote poetry. i knew her favorite color, favorite beer, favorite song, etc...
we got along very well. we could talk for hours. then i got the you're such a good friend i could never think of you that way.

then some crappy stuff happened in my life and i was in a "fuck the world" mood for like 6months.

i went up to the same girl and said, "hey this friday, wear something nice about 7pm, we're going out to eat at xyz place" there was nothing from her but a big smile and an ok. i wasnt rude to her but i wasnt exactly nice. there was a lot more of me not really paying attention when she was talking. looking at another girl that walked by. no please, or thank you's to anyone helping us when we went out to eat or went to the movies (my picks). we generally did what i wanted to. the chemistry between us was almost instantly better. until i found out that her life ambition was to be a female body builder and be a triathlete. i mean really, fuck that.

covered in bliss

justjoshingu wrote:

i dont think its a dumb saying.
i think its true.

if two people get bad service at a restaraunt and one is a loud obnoxious jerk and demands it get taken care of and the other person says, "excuse me miss, but i would like this please taken care of"

who gets served first?

and in relationships especially, the girl will 99% of the time go for the jerk.

i once was going after this girl with the usualy way i am. treating her well. i wrote poetry. i knew her favorite color, favorite beer, favorite song, etc...
we got along very well. we could talk for hours. then i got the you're such a good friend i could never think of you that way.

then some crappy stuff happened in my life and i was in a "fuck the world" mood for like 6months.

i went up to the same girl and said, "hey this friday, wear something nice about 7pm, we're going out to eat at xyz place" there was nothing from her but a big smile and an ok. i wasnt rude to her but i wasnt exactly nice. there was a lot more of me not really paying attention when she was talking. looking at another girl that walked by. no please, or thank you's to anyone helping us when we went out to eat or went to the movies (my picks). we generally did what i wanted to. the chemistry between us was almost instantly better. until i found out that her life ambition was to be a female body builder and be a triathlete. i mean really, fuck that.

that's a sad story and I can see how you would feel "nice guys finish last" but I still say that it's an homage to an old saying. It doesn't mean squat.

Cree Nations

covered in bliss wrote:

that's a sad story and I can see how you would feel "nice guys finish last" but I still say that it's an homage to an old saying. It doesn't mean squat.

oh it wasnt that sad, I actually saw some humour there. She wanted to be a female body builder and I said fuck that.....thats awesome.

gue_barium

Brain of J.Lo wrote:

To me, it means that nice people don't compromise their niceness to get ahead...and, sadly, they suffer for it.

I do think it's true in a lot of situations. But, I'd rather be nice than "successful", if I have to choose between the two.

Now this kind of makes sense to me.
How do you define "niceness?" How does one defne "success?" Is a nice person "successful" just by being nice?

Most people here are relating to the guy that gets lost in the shuffle of the dating game, and I suppose that's sort of how I think of it, too, in the way I've heard it over the years... On the other hand, there's the nice guy who's been with over 200 women sexually... how does one say that's he's really a nice guy?

Or is that a different category of "nice?"

justjoshingu

gue_barium wrote:

Now this kind of makes sense to me.
How do you define "niceness?" How does one defne "success?" Is a nice person "successful" just by being nice?

Most people here are relating to the guy that gets lost in the shuffle of the dating game, and I suppose that's sort of how I think of it, too, in the way I've heard it over the years... On the other hand, there's the nice guy who's been with over 200 women sexually... how does one say that's he's really a nice guy?

Or is that a different category of "nice?"

have the nice guy thats slept with 200 women come over my house. me, him, the easter bunny, and santa clause will have a poker game. and you know who'd win? me. why? cause the rest are "figments of your fucking imagination"

gue_barium

justjoshingu wrote:

have the nice guy thats slept with 200 women come over my house. me, him, the easter bunny, and santa clause will have a poker game. and you know who'd win? me. why? cause the rest are "figments of your fucking imagination"

The easter bunny has spoken. In a "nice" easter bunny jealous rage.