most fucked up thing i have ever read

eyedclaar

stickboy wrote:

I hear ya man..I dunno ...having been real close to what happened here in NY with 9/11 and all and how we all helped each other out I like to think people can still be like that in sick situations like this..I cant sit there and watch another person get done up like that man..no way..I wouldnt be able to live with it..like every day I'd hate myself for not helping. Seriously. I mean like I said even if I got cut up real bad or something worse case scenario I got done up too at least i wouldnt have it on my conscience forever.
Ask those people what their thoughts and dreams will be like and ask them if they feel fucked up for not helping from this point on

not trying to say Im a hero man, but damn...to just sit an watch it???
no way I'd spaz the fuck out

Good for you, seriously. I've never panicked in a tense situation and ran away, so I like to think I would have helped here too. I don't mind being physically hurt, it has happened so much in my life that I have strange relationship with pain. Hell, even if he managed to kill me, I'd like to think I'd do some damage on my way out.

Rygar

Fighting Hellfish wrote:

not if you prevent him from killing someone else by killing him. As for the other passengers, there really wasn't much they could do. Sounds like the whole thing happened in seconds, and he was probably dead by the time anyone could have gotten to him. Unless you saw the guy pull the knife out of his bag, I don't see what they could have done.once the poor bastard was stabbed in the chest once, his chances of survival had to be pretty slim, unfortunately

Truth.
They make it sound like the guy was dead very fast, too. I fucking hope so.
What a brutal, disgusting thing for someone to do.

Cree Nations

stickboy wrote:

Dude I would LEAD you to do this! Id give you a fuckin RAH RAH MESSIER speech and get the bus fuckin rowdy

now if the whole bus bailed on me and Im left alone, I'm in survival mode so what do u think I would do? Drop the fuckin gloves and fight for my fucking life man. I aint going out like that.

you guys do bring up good points tho about the people sleeping and all and yea easier said than done
I'm just bothered how it went down

it is more than bothersome but thats a tragedy for you and this certainly was tragedy in the fullest sense of the word.

stickboy

Jeremy1012 wrote:

I'm always amused by people who think killing is an appropriate way to react to a killer.

Knock the fucker down, yes, give him a kicking even. Then let him rot in jail. I just find it odd that a person, who is so disgusted by murder that they would actually react so violently as to kill someone as punishment, would actually do it. The hypocrisy would be staggering, no?

you're trying to match adrenaline for adrenaline at that point bro..Your heads not thinking at that moment..you just wanna live or help and you do what u can. If it came down to almost killing the guy at that moment, what do u do..you stop?? and give him a chance to get at you again?
Ry..you're right..and I dont wanna judge the people who chose to live..trying to just speak for myself and if I was in that situation....sleep will def be lost, regardless absolutely and they will be haunted for sure, wether they reacted , helped or not.
man
this is horrible :mad:

duffy

eyedclaar wrote:

Actually that is how I am all the time and everywhere. I never sit with my back to a room and I like to see the exits . Paranoid? Probably...

i think the word paranoid is overused by everyone.
i now prefer to think of it as a survival instinct. "paranoid" people are less likely to get stabbed in the back. so to speak.

if i'm paranoid, so be it. :cool:

stickboy

eyedclaar wrote:

Good for you, seriously. I've never panicked in a tense situation and ran away, so I like to think I would have helped here too. I don't mind being physically hurt, it has happened so much in my life that I have strange relationship with pain. Hell, even if he managed to kill me, I'd like to think I'd do some damage on my way out.

same here..kinda numb to pain..wow..I dont even know what to say anymore..I like to think if it was us we all woulda been doing our part as a team..its so fucking disturbing to me right now, u have no idea.
Prolly cause of having experienced tragedy so my minds somewhere else
sorry..not trying to make any of you guys look wrong in any way.

Vedderlution_Baby

It could've been fucking anything that set this guy off. The kids earphones could've been too loud and the guy just snapped.


I believe that the scariest thing, to most of us anyway, is we see all this shit along the lines of "Man kills man due to love triangle, Man killed in drug deal gone bad, Man kills wife after argument" that gives the impression that unless we place ourselves into situations we're okay, and nothing can get us. But stories like this make us realize just how much depends on the roll of the dice. Anybody could've been sitting in that seat, not doing anything. Unfortunately, you can't pull the covers over your head and hide from the monsters anymore. Heartbreaking.

Fighting Hellfish

there's a term for how people respond in situations like this. If I remember Psych 101, I believe it's called Fight or Flee, something like that. Supposedly, how you respond in situations like that is innate, and you have no control over it.

rival.

some photos of the incident and suspect:

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slideshow/photo//080801/481/c4c7f2eef9a642e794d60d9ad603126e/

John Budge

Riverrunner wrote:

No, that is not what I said at all. Read my post again. :rolleyes: (ha)

Did you include the rolleyes icon as sort of a tit-for-tat grade school response to my inclusion of said icon?

Anywho, you said that a lot of people on the bus could've organized into a mob of luggage-throwing vigilantes all within 30 or so seconds and that may have stopped the stabbing.

eyedclaar

Fighting Hellfish wrote:

there's a term for how people respond in situations like this. If I remember Psych 101, I believe it's called Fight or Flee, something like that. Supposedly, how you respond in situations like that is innate, and you have no control over it.

True. They've done research showing how brains repsond in high tense or life threatening situations and for most people they literally shut off. There's a sudden rush of pressure/blood to the brain and all logical thinking goes straight out the window. Fight or flight indeed.

Most people require a lot of training, military or otherwise, to be able to respond to that level of violence with any clarity.

Rygar

eyedclaar wrote:

Most people require a lot of training, military or otherwise, to be able to respond to that level of violence with any clarity.

Good point.

Fighting Hellfish

eyedclaar wrote:

True. They've done research showing how brains repsond in high tense or life threatening situations and for most people they literally shut off. There's a sudden rush of pressure/blood to the brain and all logical thinking goes straight out the window. Fight or flight indeed.

Most people require a lot of training, military or otherwise, to be able to respond to that level of violence with any clarity.

fight or flight, that's it

Vedderlution_Baby

http://listverse.com/crime/25-methods-for-killing-with-your-bare-hands/


You know, just in case.





By the way, there is no way in hell I was expecting the guy to look like that. Small, clean shaven regular fucking Joe. I was expecting some kind of viking looking mother fucker.

stickboy

Fighting Hellfish wrote:

there's a term for how people respond in situations like this. If I remember Psych 101, I believe it's called Fight or Flee, something like that. Supposedly, how you respond in situations like that is innate, and you have no control over it.

thank you bro..Thats the point I was trying to make, you just nailed it.

maybe its me having served in the army or knowing a lil hand to hand combat and martial arts thinking this way..I dunno I chooese Fight over flight!

stickboy

Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:

http://listverse.com/crime/25-methods-for-killing-with-your-bare-hands/


You know, just in case.





By the way, there is no way in hell I was expecting the guy to look like that. Small, clean shaven regular fucking Joe. I was expecting some kind of viking looking mother fucker.

perfect! you see?? come up from behnd and lace that mutherfucker in the temple and its a wrap. then everybody gets a shot while his trying to recover

Vedderlution_Baby

stickboy wrote:

perfect! you see?? come up from behnd and lace that mutherfucker in the temple and its a wrap. then everybody gets a shot while his trying to recover

If you can get behind him. It is a bus, there's very little room for movement. Depending on where the guy was, there may have been no way at all to have gotten behind him. But, if you decided you were going to make a move, here's what you'd be up against.


Moving down a bus aisle that is around three feet wide weaponless towards a person who just made it known to the world that not does he not mind killing someone, but that killing isn't enough. You're looking at a guy whose mind just broke and wants to hurt somebody so badly, that he will continue to stab and decapitate a person well after they are dead. And that the only reason the guy he killed is dead and you're not is because you weren't sitting behind him. Basically, you're staring into insanity, trying to decide if you're going to run it.


By the way, if you do run in, don't use a towel to choke him. Use something thinner. a belt or cord.


Plus you have military background training. We're talking about civilians.

eyedclaar

Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:

http://listverse.com/crime/25-methods-for-killing-with-your-bare-hands/


You know, just in case.





By the way, there is no way in hell I was expecting the guy to look like that. Small, clean shaven regular fucking Joe. I was expecting some kind of viking looking mother fucker.

Ladies, #5 is your friend. If you ever have to and you have a clean shot, punch the mother fucker in the throat and hit them with everything you have. You might kill them but it will stop just about anyone. Just make sure you connect or you are in real trouble.

Or, if you are behind someone, hit them in the back of the neck right where the spine meets the skull.

Vedderlution_Baby

eyedclaar wrote:

Ladies, #5 is your friend. If you ever have to and you have a clean shot, punch the mother fucker in the throat and hit them with everything you have. You might kill them but it will stop just about anyone. Just make sure you connect or you are in real trouble.

Or, if you are behind someone, hit them in the back of the neck right where the spine meets the skull.

No shit. A lot of people laugh whenever we get into a situation that looks not so safe and I tell them if they can to punch the motherfucker in the throat. Even if it doesn't kill them they aren't going to be able to breath to continue to fuck around with you. Then you get the fuck away.

eyedclaar

Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:

No shit. A lot of people laugh whenever we get into a situation that looks not so safe and I tell them if they can to punch the motherfucker in the throat. Even if it doesn't kill them they aren't going to be able to breath to continue to fuck around with you. Then you get the fuck away.

I first learned it from a war-crazed vietnam special forces guy. One of those people that cleaned up villages after bombing raids and ran several missions into Cambodia. A genuine bad ass mofo. He later became a crooked Portland cop with a bad cocaine habit. Smart, scary guy. He showed me a few things and taught me how to write (of all things).