So, a lot of people on the bus were supposed to 1)comprehend what was happening, 2)come up with a plan amongst themselves, and 3)enact the plan all within a period of around 30 seconds? The poor kid was pretty much dead before everyone on the bus could figure out what was happening. The point should be that nobody else was killed or injured and that was about the best they could hope for at that point. Good Lord. :rolleyes:
No, that is not what I said at all. Read my post again. :rolleyes: (ha)
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So, a lot of people on the bus were supposed to 1)comprehend what was happening, 2)come up with a plan amongst themselves, and 3)enact the plan all within a period of around 30 seconds? The poor kid was pretty much dead before everyone on the bus could figure out what was happening. The point should be that nobody else was killed or injured and that was about the best they could hope for at that point. Good Lord. :rolleyes:
bro, I ride greyhound a lot and you best believe if some shit like that went down while I'm on there I'm getting involved. Someones life is on the line and theres another what? 40-50 people on there? and not ONE guy is ballsy enought to get like a towel go behind this guy, wrap his head up and choke the mutherfucking piece of shit to death while the rest come to help..punching him in the face while blindfolded and half choking to death..fuck that! If its a gun I can understand but damn its a knife! he swings? MOVE! DUCK! come ON! I cant accept this...I'll take a laceration to try save someones life if thats what it comes down to..Im not gonna go cry in the corner and wait for fuck to come do me to..thats real pussy.
Aah, fuck it, I’m just gonna go home, turn on the fuckin’ TV...
Watch the nightly news and drink a beer...
Like I could even change the world, yeah right...
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bro, I ride greyhound a lot and you best believe if some shit like that went down while I'm on there I'm getting involved. Someones life is on the line and theres another what? 40-50 people on there? and not ONE guy is ballsy enought to get like a towel go behind this guy, wrap his head up and choke the mutherfucking piece of shit to death while the rest come to help..punching him in the face while blindfolded and half choking to death..fuck that! If its a gun I can understand but damn its a knife! he swings? MOVE! DUCK! come ON! I cant accept this...I'll take a laceration to try save someones life if thats what it comes down to..Im not gonna go cry in the corner and wait for fuck to come do me to..thats real pussy.
amen.
even with the shock of what's going on, people could have thrown their bags at him or someting if they were afraid of getting close and being cut. and who was to say he was gonna stop with that guy? were they gonna wait to see?
of course hindsight is 20/20 and it's easier to speculate in the cold light of reason, but yeah....i know if i saw someone getting butchered like that and know that my own life could be on the line too, fuck that, someone is getting their ass kicked.
bro, I ride greyhound a lot and you best believe if some shit like that went down while I'm on there I'm getting involved. Someones life is on the line and theres another what? 40-50 people on there? and not ONE guy is ballsy enought to get like a towel go behind this guy, wrap his head up and choke the mutherfucking piece of shit to death while the rest come to help..punching him in the face while blindfolded and half choking to death..fuck that! If its a gun I can understand but damn its a knife! he swings? MOVE! DUCK! come ON! I cant accept this...I'll take a laceration to try save someones life if thats what it comes down to..Im not gonna go cry in the corner and wait for fuck to come do me to..thats real pussy.
I admire your zest and like to think I would react that way as well. However, talking about being in the situation and actually being in the situation are two totally different things.
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bro, I ride greyhound a lot and you best believe if some shit like that went down while I'm on there I'm getting involved. Someones life is on the line and theres another what? 40-50 people on there? and not ONE guy is ballsy enought to get like a towel go behind this guy, wrap his head up and choke the mutherfucking piece of shit to death while the rest come to help..punching him in the face while blindfolded and half choking to death..fuck that! If its a gun I can understand but damn its a knife! he swings? MOVE! DUCK! come ON! I cant accept this...I'll take a laceration to try save someones life if thats what it comes down to..Im not gonna go cry in the corner and wait for fuck to come do me to..thats real pussy.
I would like to hope I could do this and think I would but hopefully I will never have to.
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I admire your zest and like to think I would react that way as well. However, talking about being in the situation and actually being in the situation are two totally different things.
i feel that way too, that it's a different thing to say what one would do without any actual threat of harm. but sadly there are people in this world who presented with an emergency do jack shit. thankfully there are those who do step up! i know myself well enough that i couldn't just sit there and do nothing.
like D said, may none of us *EVER* be in such a situation! this story has me so weirded out.
I admire your zest and like to think I would react that way as well. However, talking about being in the situation and actually being in the situation are two totally different things.
I admire your zest and like to think I would react that way as well. However, talking about being in the situation and actually being in the situation are two totally different things.
yeah I agree, and add to the fact that some people were sleeping and were woken up this away
don't forget human's herd mentality, if everyone is getting the fuck off the bus in a panic and the panic juices are flowing in everyone else, it's hard to not be swept up in that as well, plus the sounds coming from the person being killed and possibly the monster doing the killing could add to that.
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I admire your zest and like to think I would react that way as well. However, talking about being in the situation and actually being in the situation are two totally different things.
I hear ya man..I dunno ...having been real close to what happened here in NY with 9/11 and all and how we all helped each other out I like to think people can still be like that in sick situations like this..I cant sit there and watch another person get done up like that man..no way..I wouldnt be able to live with it..like every day I'd hate myself for not helping. Seriously. I mean like I said even if I got cut up real bad or something worse case scenario I got done up too at least i wouldnt have it on my conscience forever.
Ask those people what their thoughts and dreams will be like and ask them if they feel fucked up for not helping from this point on
not trying to say Im a hero man, but damn...to just sit an watch it???
no way I'd spaz the fuck out
Aah, fuck it, I’m just gonna go home, turn on the fuckin’ TV...
Watch the nightly news and drink a beer...
Like I could even change the world, yeah right...
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I hear ya man..I dunno ...having been real close to what happened here in NY with 9/11 and all and how we all helped each other out I like to think people can still be like that in sick situations like this..I cant sit there and watch another person get done up like that man..no way..I wouldnt be able to live with it..like every day I'd hate myself for not helping. Seriously. I mean like I said even if I got cut up real bad or something worse case scenario I got done up too at least i wouldnt have it on my conscience forever.
Ask those people what their thoughts and dreams will be like and ask them if they feel fucked up for not helping from this point on
not trying to say Im a hero man, but damn...to just sit an watch it???
no way I'd spaz the fuck out
i know EXACTLY how you feel....i just can't speculate on what i'd do in this situation unless i'm there....
I hear ya man..I dunno ...having been real close to what happened here in NY with 9/11 and all and how we all helped each other out I like to think people can still be like that in sick situations like this..I cant sit there and watch another person get done up like that man..no way..I wouldnt be able to live with it..like every day I'd hate myself for not helping. Seriously. I mean like I said even if I got cut up real bad or something worse case scenario I got done up too at least i wouldnt have it on my conscience forever.
Ask those people what their thoughts and dreams will be like and ask them if they feel fucked up for not helping from this point on
not trying to say Im a hero man, but damn...to just sit an watch it???
no way I'd spaz the fuck out
I hear ya man..I dunno ...having been real close to what happened here in NY with 9/11 and all and how we all helped each other out I like to think people can still be like that in sick situations like this..I cant sit there and watch another person get done up like that man..no way..I wouldnt be able to live with it..like every day I'd hate myself for not helping. Seriously. I mean like I said even if I got cut up real bad or something worse case scenario I got done up too at least i wouldnt have it on my conscience forever.
Ask those people what their thoughts and dreams will be like and ask them if they feel fucked up for not helping from this point on
not trying to say Im a hero man, but damn...to just sit an watch it???
no way I'd spaz the fuck out
definitely. those people are going to be plagued with feelings of guilt i'm sure. bad enought they had to witness such a horrific thing. just so damn sad all around :(
this makes me want to hug people i love for some reason. i feel all freaked out :(
I would like to hope I could do this and think I would but hopefully I will never have to.
Dude I would LEAD you to do this! Id give you a fuckin RAH RAH MESSIER speech and get the bus fuckin rowdy
now if the whole bus bailed on me and Im left alone, I'm in survival mode so what do u think I would do? Drop the fuckin gloves and fight for my fucking life man. I aint going out like that.
you guys do bring up good points tho about the people sleeping and all and yea easier said than done
I'm just bothered how it went down
Aah, fuck it, I’m just gonna go home, turn on the fuckin’ TV...
Watch the nightly news and drink a beer...
Like I could even change the world, yeah right...
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bro, I ride greyhound a lot and you best believe if some shit like that went down while I'm on there I'm getting involved. Someones life is on the line and theres another what? 40-50 people on there? and not ONE guy is ballsy enought to get like a towel go behind this guy, wrap his head up and choke the mutherfucking piece of shit to death while the rest come to help..punching him in the face while blindfolded and half choking to death..fuck that! If its a gun I can understand but damn its a knife! he swings? MOVE! DUCK! come ON! I cant accept this...I'll take a laceration to try save someones life if thats what it comes down to..Im not gonna go cry in the corner and wait for fuck to come do me to..thats real pussy.
I'm always amused by people who think killing is an appropriate way to react to a killer.
Knock the fucker down, yes, give him a kicking even. Then let him rot in jail. I just find it odd that a person, who is so disgusted by murder that they would actually react so violently as to kill someone as punishment, would actually do it. The hypocrisy would be staggering, no?
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definitely. those people are going to be plagued with feelings of guilt i'm sure. bad enought they had to witness such a horrific thing. just so damn sad all around :(
this makes me want to hug people i love for some reason. i feel all freaked out :(
It is very freaky, and not all people react to that kind of stress in the same way. It is just as surprising that no one crumpled up onto the floor hugging their knees and throwing up as it is that no one attacked the guy.
Furthermore I don't think we should judge these people for wanting to live. I wonder how many of them got any sleep last night.
yea lets not get started on how those things got thru, lol..but yea perfect example
those people were able to get at more than one person and force the plane down..I'd rather go down like that than live thru it..hell take the whel over on the bus and flip the bitch
SOMETHING!
ahh this shits got me all freaked out too B....so sad. really I'm kinda hating right now..sorry :(
Aah, fuck it, I’m just gonna go home, turn on the fuckin’ TV...
Watch the nightly news and drink a beer...
Like I could even change the world, yeah right...
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yea lets not get started on how those things got thru, lol..but yea perfect example
those people were able to get at more than one person and force the plane down..I'd rather go down like that than live thru it..hell take the whel over on the bus and flip the bitch
SOMETHING!
ahh this shits got me all freaked out too B....so sad. really I'm kinda hating right now..sorry :(
I'm always amused by people who think killing is an appropriate way to react to a killer.
Knock the fucker down, yes, give him a kicking even. Then let him rot in jail. I just find it odd that a person, who is so disgusted by murder that they would actually react so violently as to kill someone as punishment, would actually do it. The hypocrisy would be staggering, no?
not if you prevent him from killing someone else by killing him. As for the other passengers, there really wasn't much they could do. Sounds like the whole thing happened in seconds, and he was probably dead by the time anyone could have gotten to him. Unless you saw the guy pull the knife out of his bag, I don't see what they could have done.once the poor bastard was stabbed in the chest once, his chances of survival had to be pretty slim, unfortunately
I hear ya man..I dunno ...having been real close to what happened here in NY with 9/11 and all and how we all helped each other out I like to think people can still be like that in sick situations like this..I cant sit there and watch another person get done up like that man..no way..I wouldnt be able to live with it..like every day I'd hate myself for not helping. Seriously. I mean like I said even if I got cut up real bad or something worse case scenario I got done up too at least i wouldnt have it on my conscience forever.
Ask those people what their thoughts and dreams will be like and ask them if they feel fucked up for not helping from this point on
not trying to say Im a hero man, but damn...to just sit an watch it???
no way I'd spaz the fuck out
Good for you, seriously. I've never panicked in a tense situation and ran away, so I like to think I would have helped here too. I don't mind being physically hurt, it has happened so much in my life that I have strange relationship with pain. Hell, even if he managed to kill me, I'd like to think I'd do some damage on my way out.
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not if you prevent him from killing someone else by killing him. As for the other passengers, there really wasn't much they could do. Sounds like the whole thing happened in seconds, and he was probably dead by the time anyone could have gotten to him. Unless you saw the guy pull the knife out of his bag, I don't see what they could have done.once the poor bastard was stabbed in the chest once, his chances of survival had to be pretty slim, unfortunately
Truth.
They make it sound like the guy was dead very fast, too. I fucking hope so.
What a brutal, disgusting thing for someone to do.
Dude I would LEAD you to do this! Id give you a fuckin RAH RAH MESSIER speech and get the bus fuckin rowdy
now if the whole bus bailed on me and Im left alone, I'm in survival mode so what do u think I would do? Drop the fuckin gloves and fight for my fucking life man. I aint going out like that.
you guys do bring up good points tho about the people sleeping and all and yea easier said than done
I'm just bothered how it went down
it is more than bothersome but thats a tragedy for you and this certainly was tragedy in the fullest sense of the word.
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I'm always amused by people who think killing is an appropriate way to react to a killer.
Knock the fucker down, yes, give him a kicking even. Then let him rot in jail. I just find it odd that a person, who is so disgusted by murder that they would actually react so violently as to kill someone as punishment, would actually do it. The hypocrisy would be staggering, no?
you're trying to match adrenaline for adrenaline at that point bro..Your heads not thinking at that moment..you just wanna live or help and you do what u can. If it came down to almost killing the guy at that moment, what do u do..you stop?? and give him a chance to get at you again?
Ry..you're right..and I dont wanna judge the people who chose to live..trying to just speak for myself and if I was in that situation....sleep will def be lost, regardless absolutely and they will be haunted for sure, wether they reacted , helped or not.
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this is horrible :mad:
Aah, fuck it, I’m just gonna go home, turn on the fuckin’ TV...
Watch the nightly news and drink a beer...
Like I could even change the world, yeah right...
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Actually that is how I am all the time and everywhere. I never sit with my back to a room and I like to see the exits . Paranoid? Probably...
i think the word paranoid is overused by everyone.
i now prefer to think of it as a survival instinct. "paranoid" people are less likely to get stabbed in the back. so to speak.
Good for you, seriously. I've never panicked in a tense situation and ran away, so I like to think I would have helped here too. I don't mind being physically hurt, it has happened so much in my life that I have strange relationship with pain. Hell, even if he managed to kill me, I'd like to think I'd do some damage on my way out.
same here..kinda numb to pain..wow..I dont even know what to say anymore..I like to think if it was us we all woulda been doing our part as a team..its so fucking disturbing to me right now, u have no idea.
Prolly cause of having experienced tragedy so my minds somewhere else
sorry..not trying to make any of you guys look wrong in any way.
Aah, fuck it, I’m just gonna go home, turn on the fuckin’ TV...
Watch the nightly news and drink a beer...
Like I could even change the world, yeah right...
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It could've been fucking anything that set this guy off. The kids earphones could've been too loud and the guy just snapped.
I believe that the scariest thing, to most of us anyway, is we see all this shit along the lines of "Man kills man due to love triangle, Man killed in drug deal gone bad, Man kills wife after argument" that gives the impression that unless we place ourselves into situations we're okay, and nothing can get us. But stories like this make us realize just how much depends on the roll of the dice. Anybody could've been sitting in that seat, not doing anything. Unfortunately, you can't pull the covers over your head and hide from the monsters anymore. Heartbreaking.
there's a term for how people respond in situations like this. If I remember Psych 101, I believe it's called Fight or Flee, something like that. Supposedly, how you respond in situations like that is innate, and you have no control over it.
No, that is not what I said at all. Read my post again. :rolleyes: (ha)
Did you include the rolleyes icon as sort of a tit-for-tat grade school response to my inclusion of said icon?
Anywho, you said that a lot of people on the bus could've organized into a mob of luggage-throwing vigilantes all within 30 or so seconds and that may have stopped the stabbing.
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i can understand people who live in remote areas away from everybody when i see shit like this.
No, that is not what I said at all. Read my post again. :rolleyes: (ha)
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even with the shock of what's going on, people could have thrown their bags at him or someting if they were afraid of getting close and being cut. and who was to say he was gonna stop with that guy? were they gonna wait to see?
of course hindsight is 20/20 and it's easier to speculate in the cold light of reason, but yeah....i know if i saw someone getting butchered like that and know that my own life could be on the line too, fuck that, someone is getting their ass kicked.
I admire your zest and like to think I would react that way as well. However, talking about being in the situation and actually being in the situation are two totally different things.
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I would like to hope I could do this and think I would but hopefully I will never have to.
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like D said, may none of us *EVER* be in such a situation! this story has me so weirded out.
i agree....
yeah I agree, and add to the fact that some people were sleeping and were woken up this away
don't forget human's herd mentality, if everyone is getting the fuck off the bus in a panic and the panic juices are flowing in everyone else, it's hard to not be swept up in that as well, plus the sounds coming from the person being killed and possibly the monster doing the killing could add to that.
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Ask those people what their thoughts and dreams will be like and ask them if they feel fucked up for not helping from this point on
not trying to say Im a hero man, but damn...to just sit an watch it???
no way I'd spaz the fuck out
Watch the nightly news and drink a beer...
Like I could even change the world, yeah right...
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i know EXACTLY how you feel....i just can't speculate on what i'd do in this situation unless i'm there....
this makes me want to hug people i love for some reason. i feel all freaked out :(
now if the whole bus bailed on me and Im left alone, I'm in survival mode so what do u think I would do? Drop the fuckin gloves and fight for my fucking life man. I aint going out like that.
you guys do bring up good points tho about the people sleeping and all and yea easier said than done
I'm just bothered how it went down
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Knock the fucker down, yes, give him a kicking even. Then let him rot in jail. I just find it odd that a person, who is so disgusted by murder that they would actually react so violently as to kill someone as punishment, would actually do it. The hypocrisy would be staggering, no?
Furthermore I don't think we should judge these people for wanting to live. I wonder how many of them got any sleep last night.
those people were able to get at more than one person and force the plane down..I'd rather go down like that than live thru it..hell take the whel over on the bus and flip the bitch
SOMETHING!
ahh this shits got me all freaked out too B....so sad. really I'm kinda hating right now..sorry :(
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not if you prevent him from killing someone else by killing him. As for the other passengers, there really wasn't much they could do. Sounds like the whole thing happened in seconds, and he was probably dead by the time anyone could have gotten to him. Unless you saw the guy pull the knife out of his bag, I don't see what they could have done.once the poor bastard was stabbed in the chest once, his chances of survival had to be pretty slim, unfortunately
Good for you, seriously. I've never panicked in a tense situation and ran away, so I like to think I would have helped here too. I don't mind being physically hurt, it has happened so much in my life that I have strange relationship with pain. Hell, even if he managed to kill me, I'd like to think I'd do some damage on my way out.
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They make it sound like the guy was dead very fast, too. I fucking hope so.
What a brutal, disgusting thing for someone to do.
it is more than bothersome but thats a tragedy for you and this certainly was tragedy in the fullest sense of the word.
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Ry..you're right..and I dont wanna judge the people who chose to live..trying to just speak for myself and if I was in that situation....sleep will def be lost, regardless absolutely and they will be haunted for sure, wether they reacted , helped or not.
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this is horrible :mad:
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i think the word paranoid is overused by everyone.
i now prefer to think of it as a survival instinct. "paranoid" people are less likely to get stabbed in the back. so to speak.
if i'm paranoid, so be it. :cool:
Prolly cause of having experienced tragedy so my minds somewhere else
sorry..not trying to make any of you guys look wrong in any way.
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I believe that the scariest thing, to most of us anyway, is we see all this shit along the lines of "Man kills man due to love triangle, Man killed in drug deal gone bad, Man kills wife after argument" that gives the impression that unless we place ourselves into situations we're okay, and nothing can get us. But stories like this make us realize just how much depends on the roll of the dice. Anybody could've been sitting in that seat, not doing anything. Unfortunately, you can't pull the covers over your head and hide from the monsters anymore. Heartbreaking.
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Anywho, you said that a lot of people on the bus could've organized into a mob of luggage-throwing vigilantes all within 30 or so seconds and that may have stopped the stabbing.