there's a term for how people respond in situations like this. If I remember Psych 101, I believe it's called Fight or Flee, something like that. Supposedly, how you respond in situations like that is innate, and you have no control over it.
True. They've done research showing how brains repsond in high tense or life threatening situations and for most people they literally shut off. There's a sudden rush of pressure/blood to the brain and all logical thinking goes straight out the window. Fight or flight indeed.
Most people require a lot of training, military or otherwise, to be able to respond to that level of violence with any clarity.
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True. They've done research showing how brains repsond in high tense or life threatening situations and for most people they literally shut off. There's a sudden rush of pressure/blood to the brain and all logical thinking goes straight out the window. Fight or flight indeed.
Most people require a lot of training, military or otherwise, to be able to respond to that level of violence with any clarity.
By the way, there is no way in hell I was expecting the guy to look like that. Small, clean shaven regular fucking Joe. I was expecting some kind of viking looking mother fucker.
there's a term for how people respond in situations like this. If I remember Psych 101, I believe it's called Fight or Flee, something like that. Supposedly, how you respond in situations like that is innate, and you have no control over it.
thank you bro..Thats the point I was trying to make, you just nailed it.
maybe its me having served in the army or knowing a lil hand to hand combat and martial arts thinking this way..I dunno I chooese Fight over flight!
Aah, fuck it, I’m just gonna go home, turn on the fuckin’ TV...
Watch the nightly news and drink a beer...
Like I could even change the world, yeah right...
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By the way, there is no way in hell I was expecting the guy to look like that. Small, clean shaven regular fucking Joe. I was expecting some kind of viking looking mother fucker.
perfect! you see?? come up from behnd and lace that mutherfucker in the temple and its a wrap. then everybody gets a shot while his trying to recover
Aah, fuck it, I’m just gonna go home, turn on the fuckin’ TV...
Watch the nightly news and drink a beer...
Like I could even change the world, yeah right...
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perfect! you see?? come up from behnd and lace that mutherfucker in the temple and its a wrap. then everybody gets a shot while his trying to recover
If you can get behind him. It is a bus, there's very little room for movement. Depending on where the guy was, there may have been no way at all to have gotten behind him. But, if you decided you were going to make a move, here's what you'd be up against.
Moving down a bus aisle that is around three feet wide weaponless towards a person who just made it known to the world that not does he not mind killing someone, but that killing isn't enough. You're looking at a guy whose mind just broke and wants to hurt somebody so badly, that he will continue to stab and decapitate a person well after they are dead. And that the only reason the guy he killed is dead and you're not is because you weren't sitting behind him. Basically, you're staring into insanity, trying to decide if you're going to run it.
By the way, if you do run in, don't use a towel to choke him. Use something thinner. a belt or cord.
Plus you have military background training. We're talking about civilians.
By the way, there is no way in hell I was expecting the guy to look like that. Small, clean shaven regular fucking Joe. I was expecting some kind of viking looking mother fucker.
Ladies, #5 is your friend. If you ever have to and you have a clean shot, punch the mother fucker in the throat and hit them with everything you have. You might kill them but it will stop just about anyone. Just make sure you connect or you are in real trouble.
Or, if you are behind someone, hit them in the back of the neck right where the spine meets the skull.
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Ladies, #5 is your friend. If you ever have to and you have a clean shot, punch the mother fucker in the throat and hit them with everything you have. You might kill them but it will stop just about anyone. Just make sure you connect or you are in real trouble.
Or, if you are behind someone, hit them in the back of the neck right where the spine meets the skull.
No shit. A lot of people laugh whenever we get into a situation that looks not so safe and I tell them if they can to punch the motherfucker in the throat. Even if it doesn't kill them they aren't going to be able to breath to continue to fuck around with you. Then you get the fuck away.
No shit. A lot of people laugh whenever we get into a situation that looks not so safe and I tell them if they can to punch the motherfucker in the throat. Even if it doesn't kill them they aren't going to be able to breath to continue to fuck around with you. Then you get the fuck away.
I first learned it from a war-crazed vietnam special forces guy. One of those people that cleaned up villages after bombing raids and ran several missions into Cambodia. A genuine bad ass mofo. He later became a crooked Portland cop with a bad cocaine habit. Smart, scary guy. He showed me a few things and taught me how to write (of all things).
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you're trying to match adrenaline for adrenaline at that point bro..Your heads not thinking at that moment..you just wanna live or help and you do what u can. If it came down to almost killing the guy at that moment, what do u do..you stop?? and give him a chance to get at you again?
Ry..you're right..and I dont wanna judge the people who chose to live..trying to just speak for myself and if I was in that situation....sleep will def be lost, regardless absolutely and they will be haunted for sure, wether they reacted , helped or not.
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this is horrible :mad:
I'd just like to think that a normal person would do everything they needed to to incapacitate the guy and no more. Adrenaline or no adrenaline, you can stop a guy from killing someone without killing them. Kick their head in, break their arm. Killing the fucker is going to stop you ever finding out why he likes to cut people's heads off and get some sort of explanation for the poor guy's family.
You dig?
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I first learned it from a war-crazed vietnam special forces guy. One of those people that cleaned up villages after bombing raids and ran several missions into Cambodia. A genuine bad ass mofo. He later became a crooked Portland cop with a bad cocaine habit. Smart, scary guy. He showed me a few things and taught me how to write (of all things).
Man. a crazy vet with a coke habit? Wonder how many people that guy has fucked up.
I first learned the move when I accidentally did it to myself.
I'd just like to think that a normal person would do everything they needed to to incapacitate the guy and no more. Adrenaline or no adrenaline, you can stop a guy from killing someone without killing them. Kick their head in, break their arm. Killing the fucker is going to stop you ever finding out why he likes to cut people's heads off and get some sort of explanation for the poor guy's family.
You dig?
Ever been in a serious fight or anything? You are expecting people to act normal or rational in a situation where those things absolutely don't exist. If I am trying to stop a person and I feel as though my life, or say, my wife's life is in danger, I will stop them by any means neccessary. Sometimes that could mean picking up the nearest heavy object and clubbing them right the fuck over the head. If it kills them, so be it, I don't really care why they put me in that situation in the first place. Bottom line is to stop someone as quickly and efficiently as possible, sometimes that might mean they'll die. We don't always have a choice of selecting the most humane manner in which to deal with a violent person.
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Man. a crazy vet with a coke habit? Wonder how many people that guy has fucked up.
I first learned the move when I accidentally did it to myself.
(My story is not as interesting as yours)
He wasn't happy unless he had an excuse to hurt someone. However, instead of picking on the poor minorities, he went after well-to-do pompous asses. He'd basically get them so frustrated, they'd take a swing at him or mouth off and then he had permission to whip ass. His proudest day of his life took place in Vietnam when he killed 13 people in close quarter combat.
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I'd just like to think that a normal person would do everything they needed to to incapacitate the guy and no more. Adrenaline or no adrenaline, you can stop a guy from killing someone without killing them. Kick their head in, break their arm. Killing the fucker is going to stop you ever finding out why he likes to cut people's heads off and get some sort of explanation for the poor guy's family.
You dig?
I feel you man I really do 100% !
I'm not trying to kill the guy but damn like eyedclaar said..say its your kid bro or your wife and were really getting hypothetical now (knock on wood this happens to NONE of us or anyone again) I'm thinking at that moment..someones gonna die...either someone I love, me or this fucking guy cause I'm about to black out and match his insanity...basically. Ive gotten into fistfights and I dont think man, I just DO and when I snapped out of it and like 3-4 people trying to pull me off thats when I come back and say Oh shit..whatd I do?
its very cliche but again it comes down to survival of the fittest only the strong survive.
and again I pray i dont hear anything like this cause it really got me today in a way that I wouldnt mind visiting this guy some day just to say Hi ...let me be batman vs the joker in the cell and everyone looks away, lol
Aah, fuck it, I’m just gonna go home, turn on the fuckin’ TV...
Watch the nightly news and drink a beer...
Like I could even change the world, yeah right...
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does anyone know for sure if there was actually any cannibalism?
I'm from Winnipeg, where this is making up 75% of the news right now and I haven't heard anything about cannibalism. I'd say that's just a rumor right now.
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WINNIPEG — In his last phone calls and text messages, slain bus passenger Tim McLean was eagerly looking forward to seeing his friends and family, talked about how much he was enjoying himself, and made no mention of the peculiar passenger now charged with his murder.
Alexandra Storey, Mr. McLean's ex-girlfriend, said he sent her dozens of texts as the Greyhound he was riding made its way east to Winnipeg from Edmonton Wednesday night. The 22-year-old Winnipegger was coming home after seven weeks working on a carnival tour of Western Canada.
He told her some of the other passengers were taking ecstasy, a party drug with stimulant properties, and that he was counting down the hours by sending a new text at every town he passed.
It was from Brandon, Man., some time before 8 p.m. that he sent the longest flurry of texts, she said. He planned to go see his father, collect his pet iguana from a friend and wanted to visit Ms. Storey later that night. After their relationship ended, he became like a brother to her, she said, and he was particularly devoted to her daughter, April. In his last message, Mr. McLean said his phone was dying and he was going to charge it when he got to Portage la Prairie.
Ten minutes later, his accused killer, 40-year-old Vincent Li, changed seats, making his way to the last row of the bus and sitting next to Mr. McLean. Witnesses said the younger man, barely 5 foot 5 and 125 pounds, had fallen asleep with his headphones on, his cheek resting against the window, while Zorro played on the bus's television screen.
Without warning, witnesses said, a man stood up and stabbed Mr. McLean several times in the throat and torso, sending passengers scrambling off the bus. Afterward, the killer severed his victim's head, hacked at his body with a large knife and a pair of scissors, and, according to reports from the scene, ate some of the body parts.
Derek Caron, Mr. McLean's closest friend, was waiting at the Winnipeg bus station that night, anticipating a 9:45 p.m. arrival. He hung around patiently as Greyhound officials told him the bus was delayed, but as the hours passed they never explained what had happened. He left only when they closed the terminal after 1 a.m.
Although police didn't release his name, the description of the victim passed on by witnesses – a small, aboriginal man of 18-20 years – seemed to fit Mr. McLean, who wasn't aboriginal but looked it, Mr. McLean's friends said. As the day wore on, and they received no word from him, a small group gathered outside the home of his father, also named Tim McLean. When the older man arrived home from work, he greeted them cheerfully, asking if they were waiting for his son.
They sat down with him at his computer as he watched the news for the first time. He put his hands over his mouth and said, “No, no, no. My God, no,” according to a woman who was there. He tried to contact the RCMP to confirm his worst fear. His son's friends said an uncle had spoken to the RCMP already, and was told his nephew wasn't a passenger on the bus. But later that night, Mr. McLean had to identify his son's body.
As they struggled with their grief Friday, friends described the young man as a warm, fun-loving free spirit who attracted people to him with his energy and joie de vivre. He had never been in a fight in his life, said his friend Will Caron, who had known him for 10 years.
“There is no way he could have provoked that guy. No way. He's just not like that,” said Colleen Yestrau, who had allowed Mr. McLean to stay with her for three months before he left on the carnival circuit. They also said Mr. McLean had asked his father, in a text message sent Wednesday evening, if it would be all right if a girl named Stacey stayed with them once he arrived in Winnipeg.
Mr. McLean dropped out of Oak Park High School before completing Grade 11 because he had other priorities, his friends said. He would spend the summer months touring Western Canada, starting with the Red River Exhibition in Winnipeg, and travelling to the Pacific National Exhibition in Vancouver. He ran booths and games at the fairs, which he referenced in his latest tattoo, a cursive script across his stomach saying “Wanna Play.” He sent a photo of it to Ms. Storey, which, in a ghostly twist, she received several hours after he was killed.
He was also proud of his other tattoos, including cartoon character Marvin the Martian, a spider and skull, and one that said “Joker Wild.”
He hadn't had a fixed address for several years, his friends said, but would often stay with one of them for three months at a stretch, and then move on. In the winters he worked at various jobs, cleaning and repairing street lights, manufacturing brake shoes, pumping gas and managing a fast-food restaurant.
Will Caron said he last saw his friend in mid-June, when a group gathered for a massive weekend-long board game of Risk. As his wife Jodi broke down in tears over the loss of their friend, and his three-year-old daughter talked about how her father had been crying too, Mr. Caron just shook his head in disbelief. Why didn't anyone fight back? he asked. Surely the three dozen passengers could have overpowered a lone man with a knife.
“Only in movies would you think something like this would happen. Not in real life. Not on a bus,” he said.
Derek Caron said he and Mr. McLean were planning to move to B.C. together in the fall. Mr. McLean loved the outdoors, he said, and they were going to set out with a tent and find whatever work they could.
The gruesome details of their friend's killing, the beheading and dismemberment, are rarely mentioned, referred to only in whispers, but their presence lingers in every conversation.
“I'm hoping it was quick,” Ms. Storey said. “I hope he didn't suffer through it.”
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it boggles the mind how something so inhuman, so horrific and so insane can happen, regardless of where it happens...there's so much that can be said, so much blame to lay, so many questions...
after the deluge of thoughts, emotions, speculation and blame it should really come down to this--a prayer for peace for the young, innocent victim's soul and loved ones; and a hope for those who had to witness this carnage to find some peace, somehow, in all of this to heal. the children on that bus will never again live with the innocence they once did. the other passengers will relive the horror and the guilt every day.
it's so easy for people to sit back and ask why no one tried to help the victim, but we weren't there, we don't know all of the circumstances. the other passengers, just as innocent bystanders as the young McLean, were also victims in this atrocity and reacted the only way they knew how. so not only do they have to live with what they saw, it's probable that they will also be living with the guilt of not jumping to his aid.
WINNIPEG — In his last phone calls and text messages, slain bus passenger Tim McLean was eagerly looking forward to seeing his friends and family, talked about how much he was enjoying himself, and made no mention of the peculiar passenger now charged with his murder.
Alexandra Storey, Mr. McLean's ex-girlfriend, said he sent her dozens of texts as the Greyhound he was riding made its way east to Winnipeg from Edmonton Wednesday night. The 22-year-old Winnipegger was coming home after seven weeks working on a carnival tour of Western Canada.
He told her some of the other passengers were taking ecstasy, a party drug with stimulant properties, and that he was counting down the hours by sending a new text at every town he passed.
It was from Brandon, Man., some time before 8 p.m. that he sent the longest flurry of texts, she said. He planned to go see his father, collect his pet iguana from a friend and wanted to visit Ms. Storey later that night. After their relationship ended, he became like a brother to her, she said, and he was particularly devoted to her daughter, April. In his last message, Mr. McLean said his phone was dying and he was going to charge it when he got to Portage la Prairie.
Ten minutes later, his accused killer, 40-year-old Vincent Li, changed seats, making his way to the last row of the bus and sitting next to Mr. McLean. Witnesses said the younger man, barely 5 foot 5 and 125 pounds, had fallen asleep with his headphones on, his cheek resting against the window, while Zorro played on the bus's television screen.
Without warning, witnesses said, a man stood up and stabbed Mr. McLean several times in the throat and torso, sending passengers scrambling off the bus. Afterward, the killer severed his victim's head, hacked at his body with a large knife and a pair of scissors, and, according to reports from the scene, ate some of the body parts.
Derek Caron, Mr. McLean's closest friend, was waiting at the Winnipeg bus station that night, anticipating a 9:45 p.m. arrival. He hung around patiently as Greyhound officials told him the bus was delayed, but as the hours passed they never explained what had happened. He left only when they closed the terminal after 1 a.m.
Although police didn't release his name, the description of the victim passed on by witnesses – a small, aboriginal man of 18-20 years – seemed to fit Mr. McLean, who wasn't aboriginal but looked it, Mr. McLean's friends said. As the day wore on, and they received no word from him, a small group gathered outside the home of his father, also named Tim McLean. When the older man arrived home from work, he greeted them cheerfully, asking if they were waiting for his son.
They sat down with him at his computer as he watched the news for the first time. He put his hands over his mouth and said, “No, no, no. My God, no,” according to a woman who was there. He tried to contact the RCMP to confirm his worst fear. His son's friends said an uncle had spoken to the RCMP already, and was told his nephew wasn't a passenger on the bus. But later that night, Mr. McLean had to identify his son's body.
As they struggled with their grief Friday, friends described the young man as a warm, fun-loving free spirit who attracted people to him with his energy and joie de vivre. He had never been in a fight in his life, said his friend Will Caron, who had known him for 10 years.
“There is no way he could have provoked that guy. No way. He's just not like that,” said Colleen Yestrau, who had allowed Mr. McLean to stay with her for three months before he left on the carnival circuit. They also said Mr. McLean had asked his father, in a text message sent Wednesday evening, if it would be all right if a girl named Stacey stayed with them once he arrived in Winnipeg.
Mr. McLean dropped out of Oak Park High School before completing Grade 11 because he had other priorities, his friends said. He would spend the summer months touring Western Canada, starting with the Red River Exhibition in Winnipeg, and travelling to the Pacific National Exhibition in Vancouver. He ran booths and games at the fairs, which he referenced in his latest tattoo, a cursive script across his stomach saying “Wanna Play.” He sent a photo of it to Ms. Storey, which, in a ghostly twist, she received several hours after he was killed.
He was also proud of his other tattoos, including cartoon character Marvin the Martian, a spider and skull, and one that said “Joker Wild.”
He hadn't had a fixed address for several years, his friends said, but would often stay with one of them for three months at a stretch, and then move on. In the winters he worked at various jobs, cleaning and repairing street lights, manufacturing brake shoes, pumping gas and managing a fast-food restaurant.
Will Caron said he last saw his friend in mid-June, when a group gathered for a massive weekend-long board game of Risk. As his wife Jodi broke down in tears over the loss of their friend, and his three-year-old daughter talked about how her father had been crying too, Mr. Caron just shook his head in disbelief. Why didn't anyone fight back? he asked. Surely the three dozen passengers could have overpowered a lone man with a knife.
“Only in movies would you think something like this would happen. Not in real life. Not on a bus,” he said.
Derek Caron said he and Mr. McLean were planning to move to B.C. together in the fall. Mr. McLean loved the outdoors, he said, and they were going to set out with a tent and find whatever work they could.
The gruesome details of their friend's killing, the beheading and dismemberment, are rarely mentioned, referred to only in whispers, but their presence lingers in every conversation.
“I'm hoping it was quick,” Ms. Storey said. “I hope he didn't suffer through it.”
The title of this thread explains my reaction. I'm kinda speechless actually.
saw this earlier, seriously people are stupid. a bus full of people cant take one guy with a knife? way to help your fellow man, run.
Being from Manitoba, and knowing this news is worldwide, I've come across these types of comments all over the internet. Everyone is an armchair hero. Have you seen a decapitated body. Have you seen blood squirt from a carotid artery? Do you know what a carotid artery is? Do you know what schizophrenia is? Do you know how fast someone can swing a knife and disable you? All you morons are just that, fucking morons. I've worked in the emergency field for quite some time, and everyone reacts differently to traumatic situations. Stupid fucking rednecks.
Being from Manitoba, and knowing this news is worldwide, I've come across these types of comments all over the internet. Everyone is an armchair hero. Have you seen a decapitated body. Have you seen blood squirt from a carotid artery? Do you know what a carotid artery is? Do you know what schizophrenia is? Do you know how fast someone can swing a knife and disable you? All you morons are just that, fucking morons. I've worked in the emergency field for quite some time, and everyone reacts differently to traumatic situations. Stupid fucking rednecks.
Yeah, I wouldn't even know how to react at all. Yes, I'd love to save another human being's life but in this sick gruesome kind of situation I probably just piss my pants and run off. Honestly, I wouldn't know what to do!
Wish to God that I'll never be in a situation like this or witness some sick like this.
Being from Manitoba, and knowing this news is worldwide, I've come across these types of comments all over the internet. Everyone is an armchair hero. Have you seen a decapitated body. Have you seen blood squirt from a carotid artery? Do you know what a carotid artery is? Do you know what schizophrenia is? Do you know how fast someone can swing a knife and disable you? All you morons are just that, fucking morons. I've worked in the emergency field for quite some time, and everyone reacts differently to traumatic situations. Stupid fucking rednecks.
sorry I misread it
Aah, fuck it, I’m just gonna go home, turn on the fuckin’ TV...
Watch the nightly news and drink a beer...
Like I could even change the world, yeah right...
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Did you include the rolleyes icon as sort of a tit-for-tat grade school response to my inclusion of said icon?
Anywho, you said that a lot of people on the bus could've organized into a mob of luggage-throwing vigilantes all within 30 or so seconds and that may have stopped the stabbing.
You are obviously smarter than me. You obviously have had a lot more life experiences than me. I bet you are skinnier and prettier than me too. I apologize for using the rolls eyes icon in response to your rolls eyes icon. You are obviously a superior individual.
I just hope that if someone ever attacks me you are no where around. You will run like scared cat and talk about how smart you are for doing it.
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Ive seen people die in front of me and being in the military I can swing just as fast and If you want I can demonstrate....stupid fuckin redneck?? I was raised in the fucking NY projects dick... :rolleyes:
keep your ignorant insensitve shit to yourself and just cause youre a pussy dont make everyone a pussy
so idiotic of you to think how each person would react
next.......
Dude, it was obvious he was talking about people without the type of training that would allow them to assess the situation and decide the best way to take that guy down. He was talking about the guys who have never been in a situation like that and act like they would pull a fucking Jason Bourne and put the dude out of commission. These people can say whatever they want but the reality is they probably would've pissed themselves and ran off the bus too. Or if they had decided to try to take down this guy on a little ass bus we'd probably be reading about more than one person killed or injured by a guy with a knife.
sorry sorry
my apologies the..I'll go back and edit..my head is really fucked
sorry dude :(
Aah, fuck it, I’m just gonna go home, turn on the fuckin’ TV...
Watch the nightly news and drink a beer...
Like I could even change the world, yeah right...
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TORONTO - A chilling recording of a radio transmission between RCMP officers responding to the killing of a man who was stabbed and dismembered aboard a Greyhound bus in Manitoba was leaked on the Internet and received widespread attention Saturday.
On the recording, one officer describes the suspect - who police code-named Badger-moving around the bus, which was barricaded by the driver and a passenger.
"Badger is armed with a knife and a pair of scissors and he is defiling the body at the front of the bus as we speak," an officer says on the transmission.
The approximately 80-second recording was posted on several websites, including YouTube, where it had registered nearly 8,000 hits before it was made unavailable early Saturday afternoon.
The RCMP issued a news release stressing they had not given permission to use the transmission as they are "operational police communications and as such are not meant for public consumption. "
"Okay, Badger's at the back of the bus, [highlight]hacking off pieces and eating it[/highlight]," the transmission ends.
Witnesses said this week that the victim, Tim McLean, 22, was attacked by a big man on the bus near Portage la Prairie, Man.
They described how McLean, from Winnipeg, was stabbed repeatedly Wednesday as the driver ushered passengers off the bus and barricaded the door shut so the attacker couldn't escape.
Two witnesses said the attacker came to the front of the bus holding McLean's head.
Police have only confirmed McLean was stabbed but have not released details of the horrifying killing.
McLean's family was expected to make a statement Saturday.
Police laid a charge of second-degree murder this week against a suspect, Vince Weiguang Li, 40, of Edmonton.
Li made his first appearance in court Friday and is scheduled to be back before a judge in Portage la Prairie on Tuesday.
Li has not entered a plea to the charges, which haven't been proven in court, and as of early Friday had not retained a lawyer to represent him.
There were media reports that Li worked as a newspaper carrier for the Edmonton Sun and Edmonton Journal.
As the police investigation continues, the online forums that sprouted shortly after the tragedy have transformed into a sprawling online community, with tens of thousands showing support for McLean's family and expressing disgust for the act itself.
One of the many groups on the social networking site Facebook has accumulated over 40,000 members with more than 2,000 wall posts.
"I never knew Tim and his family, but I wish all the best in this awful time," wrote Tamara from Edmonton.
Tracy in Calgary called McLean's death "a senseless loss of life."
"It's something right out of a horror movie," added Sheena in Edmonton.
Some news coverage videos on YouTube have received upwards of 40,000 hits, and a number of people have weighed on the issue, publishing Webcam video of themselves trying to deal with what happened.
In Dallas, Greyhound spokesperson Abby Wambaugh said ridership is remaining stable despite the tragedy.
"As of right now we've seen little to no impact on ticket sales and inter-city bus travel continues to be a safe way to travel," said Wambaugh in a phone interview.
She said she couldn't comment on how the bus driver is faring, citing privacy reasons, but stressed that in the case of a violent passenger, the driver handled the situation by the book.
"They are taught to immediately pull over the bus and call the authorities," said Wambaugh.
"The bus driver did exactly what our policy states."
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bro, I ride greyhound a lot and you best believe if some shit like that went down while I'm on there I'm getting involved. Someones life is on the line and theres another what? 40-50 people on there? and not ONE guy is ballsy enought to get like a towel go behind this guy, wrap his head up and choke the mutherfucking piece of shit to death while the rest come to help..punching him in the face while blindfolded and half choking to death..fuck that! If its a gun I can understand but damn its a knife! he swings? MOVE! DUCK! come ON! I cant accept this...I'll take a laceration to try save someones life if thats what it comes down to..Im not gonna go cry in the corner and wait for fuck to come do me to..thats real pussy.
I would run like fuck, and I don't care who knows it.
The last thing I hope is that there's not some kind of a backlash against people of the suspect's ethnic background. seems to always be a race thing when the suspect is non-white. :rolleyes:
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True. They've done research showing how brains repsond in high tense or life threatening situations and for most people they literally shut off. There's a sudden rush of pressure/blood to the brain and all logical thinking goes straight out the window. Fight or flight indeed.
Most people require a lot of training, military or otherwise, to be able to respond to that level of violence with any clarity.
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fight or flight, that's it
You know, just in case.
By the way, there is no way in hell I was expecting the guy to look like that. Small, clean shaven regular fucking Joe. I was expecting some kind of viking looking mother fucker.
maybe its me having served in the army or knowing a lil hand to hand combat and martial arts thinking this way..I dunno I chooese Fight over flight!
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If you can get behind him. It is a bus, there's very little room for movement. Depending on where the guy was, there may have been no way at all to have gotten behind him. But, if you decided you were going to make a move, here's what you'd be up against.
Moving down a bus aisle that is around three feet wide weaponless towards a person who just made it known to the world that not does he not mind killing someone, but that killing isn't enough. You're looking at a guy whose mind just broke and wants to hurt somebody so badly, that he will continue to stab and decapitate a person well after they are dead. And that the only reason the guy he killed is dead and you're not is because you weren't sitting behind him. Basically, you're staring into insanity, trying to decide if you're going to run it.
By the way, if you do run in, don't use a towel to choke him. Use something thinner. a belt or cord.
Plus you have military background training. We're talking about civilians.
Ladies, #5 is your friend. If you ever have to and you have a clean shot, punch the mother fucker in the throat and hit them with everything you have. You might kill them but it will stop just about anyone. Just make sure you connect or you are in real trouble.
Or, if you are behind someone, hit them in the back of the neck right where the spine meets the skull.
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No shit. A lot of people laugh whenever we get into a situation that looks not so safe and I tell them if they can to punch the motherfucker in the throat. Even if it doesn't kill them they aren't going to be able to breath to continue to fuck around with you. Then you get the fuck away.
I first learned it from a war-crazed vietnam special forces guy. One of those people that cleaned up villages after bombing raids and ran several missions into Cambodia. A genuine bad ass mofo. He later became a crooked Portland cop with a bad cocaine habit. Smart, scary guy. He showed me a few things and taught me how to write (of all things).
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Man. a crazy vet with a coke habit? Wonder how many people that guy has fucked up.
I first learned the move when I accidentally did it to myself.
(My story is not as interesting as yours)
Ever been in a serious fight or anything? You are expecting people to act normal or rational in a situation where those things absolutely don't exist. If I am trying to stop a person and I feel as though my life, or say, my wife's life is in danger, I will stop them by any means neccessary. Sometimes that could mean picking up the nearest heavy object and clubbing them right the fuck over the head. If it kills them, so be it, I don't really care why they put me in that situation in the first place. Bottom line is to stop someone as quickly and efficiently as possible, sometimes that might mean they'll die. We don't always have a choice of selecting the most humane manner in which to deal with a violent person.
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He wasn't happy unless he had an excuse to hurt someone. However, instead of picking on the poor minorities, he went after well-to-do pompous asses. He'd basically get them so frustrated, they'd take a swing at him or mouth off and then he had permission to whip ass. His proudest day of his life took place in Vietnam when he killed 13 people in close quarter combat.
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I'm not trying to kill the guy but damn like eyedclaar said..say its your kid bro or your wife and were really getting hypothetical now (knock on wood this happens to NONE of us or anyone again) I'm thinking at that moment..someones gonna die...either someone I love, me or this fucking guy cause I'm about to black out and match his insanity...basically. Ive gotten into fistfights and I dont think man, I just DO and when I snapped out of it and like 3-4 people trying to pull me off thats when I come back and say Oh shit..whatd I do?
its very cliche but again it comes down to survival of the fittest only the strong survive.
and again I pray i dont hear anything like this cause it really got me today in a way that I wouldnt mind visiting this guy some day just to say Hi ...let me be batman vs the joker in the cell and everyone looks away, lol
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I'm from Winnipeg, where this is making up 75% of the news right now and I haven't heard anything about cannibalism. I'd say that's just a rumor right now.
Alexandra Storey, Mr. McLean's ex-girlfriend, said he sent her dozens of texts as the Greyhound he was riding made its way east to Winnipeg from Edmonton Wednesday night. The 22-year-old Winnipegger was coming home after seven weeks working on a carnival tour of Western Canada.
He told her some of the other passengers were taking ecstasy, a party drug with stimulant properties, and that he was counting down the hours by sending a new text at every town he passed.
It was from Brandon, Man., some time before 8 p.m. that he sent the longest flurry of texts, she said. He planned to go see his father, collect his pet iguana from a friend and wanted to visit Ms. Storey later that night. After their relationship ended, he became like a brother to her, she said, and he was particularly devoted to her daughter, April. In his last message, Mr. McLean said his phone was dying and he was going to charge it when he got to Portage la Prairie.
Ten minutes later, his accused killer, 40-year-old Vincent Li, changed seats, making his way to the last row of the bus and sitting next to Mr. McLean. Witnesses said the younger man, barely 5 foot 5 and 125 pounds, had fallen asleep with his headphones on, his cheek resting against the window, while Zorro played on the bus's television screen.
Without warning, witnesses said, a man stood up and stabbed Mr. McLean several times in the throat and torso, sending passengers scrambling off the bus. Afterward, the killer severed his victim's head, hacked at his body with a large knife and a pair of scissors, and, according to reports from the scene, ate some of the body parts.
Derek Caron, Mr. McLean's closest friend, was waiting at the Winnipeg bus station that night, anticipating a 9:45 p.m. arrival. He hung around patiently as Greyhound officials told him the bus was delayed, but as the hours passed they never explained what had happened. He left only when they closed the terminal after 1 a.m.
Although police didn't release his name, the description of the victim passed on by witnesses – a small, aboriginal man of 18-20 years – seemed to fit Mr. McLean, who wasn't aboriginal but looked it, Mr. McLean's friends said. As the day wore on, and they received no word from him, a small group gathered outside the home of his father, also named Tim McLean. When the older man arrived home from work, he greeted them cheerfully, asking if they were waiting for his son.
They sat down with him at his computer as he watched the news for the first time. He put his hands over his mouth and said, “No, no, no. My God, no,” according to a woman who was there. He tried to contact the RCMP to confirm his worst fear. His son's friends said an uncle had spoken to the RCMP already, and was told his nephew wasn't a passenger on the bus. But later that night, Mr. McLean had to identify his son's body.
As they struggled with their grief Friday, friends described the young man as a warm, fun-loving free spirit who attracted people to him with his energy and joie de vivre. He had never been in a fight in his life, said his friend Will Caron, who had known him for 10 years.
“There is no way he could have provoked that guy. No way. He's just not like that,” said Colleen Yestrau, who had allowed Mr. McLean to stay with her for three months before he left on the carnival circuit. They also said Mr. McLean had asked his father, in a text message sent Wednesday evening, if it would be all right if a girl named Stacey stayed with them once he arrived in Winnipeg.
Mr. McLean dropped out of Oak Park High School before completing Grade 11 because he had other priorities, his friends said. He would spend the summer months touring Western Canada, starting with the Red River Exhibition in Winnipeg, and travelling to the Pacific National Exhibition in Vancouver. He ran booths and games at the fairs, which he referenced in his latest tattoo, a cursive script across his stomach saying “Wanna Play.” He sent a photo of it to Ms. Storey, which, in a ghostly twist, she received several hours after he was killed.
He was also proud of his other tattoos, including cartoon character Marvin the Martian, a spider and skull, and one that said “Joker Wild.”
He hadn't had a fixed address for several years, his friends said, but would often stay with one of them for three months at a stretch, and then move on. In the winters he worked at various jobs, cleaning and repairing street lights, manufacturing brake shoes, pumping gas and managing a fast-food restaurant.
Will Caron said he last saw his friend in mid-June, when a group gathered for a massive weekend-long board game of Risk. As his wife Jodi broke down in tears over the loss of their friend, and his three-year-old daughter talked about how her father had been crying too, Mr. Caron just shook his head in disbelief. Why didn't anyone fight back? he asked. Surely the three dozen passengers could have overpowered a lone man with a knife.
“Only in movies would you think something like this would happen. Not in real life. Not on a bus,” he said.
Derek Caron said he and Mr. McLean were planning to move to B.C. together in the fall. Mr. McLean loved the outdoors, he said, and they were going to set out with a tent and find whatever work they could.
The gruesome details of their friend's killing, the beheading and dismemberment, are rarely mentioned, referred to only in whispers, but their presence lingers in every conversation.
“I'm hoping it was quick,” Ms. Storey said. “I hope he didn't suffer through it.”
2003 ~ Toronto
2005 ~ London, Toronto
2006 ~ Toronto
2008 ~ Hartford, Mansfied I,
2009 ~ Toronto, Chicago I, Chicago II
2010 ~ Cleveland, Buffalo
2011 ~ Toronto I, Toronto II, Ottawa, Hamilton
2013 - London, Pittsburgh, Buffalo
after the deluge of thoughts, emotions, speculation and blame it should really come down to this--a prayer for peace for the young, innocent victim's soul and loved ones; and a hope for those who had to witness this carnage to find some peace, somehow, in all of this to heal. the children on that bus will never again live with the innocence they once did. the other passengers will relive the horror and the guilt every day.
it's so easy for people to sit back and ask why no one tried to help the victim, but we weren't there, we don't know all of the circumstances. the other passengers, just as innocent bystanders as the young McLean, were also victims in this atrocity and reacted the only way they knew how. so not only do they have to live with what they saw, it's probable that they will also be living with the guilt of not jumping to his aid.
just a delayed thought.
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Being from Manitoba, and knowing this news is worldwide, I've come across these types of comments all over the internet. Everyone is an armchair hero. Have you seen a decapitated body. Have you seen blood squirt from a carotid artery? Do you know what a carotid artery is? Do you know what schizophrenia is? Do you know how fast someone can swing a knife and disable you? All you morons are just that, fucking morons. I've worked in the emergency field for quite some time, and everyone reacts differently to traumatic situations. Stupid fucking rednecks.
Wish to God that I'll never be in a situation like this or witness some sick like this.
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You are obviously smarter than me. You obviously have had a lot more life experiences than me. I bet you are skinnier and prettier than me too. I apologize for using the rolls eyes icon in response to your rolls eyes icon. You are obviously a superior individual.
I just hope that if someone ever attacks me you are no where around. You will run like scared cat and talk about how smart you are for doing it.
Dude, it was obvious he was talking about people without the type of training that would allow them to assess the situation and decide the best way to take that guy down. He was talking about the guys who have never been in a situation like that and act like they would pull a fucking Jason Bourne and put the dude out of commission. These people can say whatever they want but the reality is they probably would've pissed themselves and ran off the bus too. Or if they had decided to try to take down this guy on a little ass bus we'd probably be reading about more than one person killed or injured by a guy with a knife.
my apologies the..I'll go back and edit..my head is really fucked
sorry dude :(
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On the recording, one officer describes the suspect - who police code-named Badger-moving around the bus, which was barricaded by the driver and a passenger.
"Badger is armed with a knife and a pair of scissors and he is defiling the body at the front of the bus as we speak," an officer says on the transmission.
The approximately 80-second recording was posted on several websites, including YouTube, where it had registered nearly 8,000 hits before it was made unavailable early Saturday afternoon.
The RCMP issued a news release stressing they had not given permission to use the transmission as they are "operational police communications and as such are not meant for public consumption. "
"Okay, Badger's at the back of the bus, [highlight]hacking off pieces and eating it[/highlight]," the transmission ends.
Witnesses said this week that the victim, Tim McLean, 22, was attacked by a big man on the bus near Portage la Prairie, Man.
They described how McLean, from Winnipeg, was stabbed repeatedly Wednesday as the driver ushered passengers off the bus and barricaded the door shut so the attacker couldn't escape.
Two witnesses said the attacker came to the front of the bus holding McLean's head.
Police have only confirmed McLean was stabbed but have not released details of the horrifying killing.
McLean's family was expected to make a statement Saturday.
Police laid a charge of second-degree murder this week against a suspect, Vince Weiguang Li, 40, of Edmonton.
Li made his first appearance in court Friday and is scheduled to be back before a judge in Portage la Prairie on Tuesday.
Li has not entered a plea to the charges, which haven't been proven in court, and as of early Friday had not retained a lawyer to represent him.
There were media reports that Li worked as a newspaper carrier for the Edmonton Sun and Edmonton Journal.
As the police investigation continues, the online forums that sprouted shortly after the tragedy have transformed into a sprawling online community, with tens of thousands showing support for McLean's family and expressing disgust for the act itself.
One of the many groups on the social networking site Facebook has accumulated over 40,000 members with more than 2,000 wall posts.
"I never knew Tim and his family, but I wish all the best in this awful time," wrote Tamara from Edmonton.
Tracy in Calgary called McLean's death "a senseless loss of life."
"It's something right out of a horror movie," added Sheena in Edmonton.
Some news coverage videos on YouTube have received upwards of 40,000 hits, and a number of people have weighed on the issue, publishing Webcam video of themselves trying to deal with what happened.
In Dallas, Greyhound spokesperson Abby Wambaugh said ridership is remaining stable despite the tragedy.
"As of right now we've seen little to no impact on ticket sales and inter-city bus travel continues to be a safe way to travel," said Wambaugh in a phone interview.
She said she couldn't comment on how the bus driver is faring, citing privacy reasons, but stressed that in the case of a violent passenger, the driver handled the situation by the book.
"They are taught to immediately pull over the bus and call the authorities," said Wambaugh.
"The bus driver did exactly what our policy states."
2003 ~ Toronto
2005 ~ London, Toronto
2006 ~ Toronto
2008 ~ Hartford, Mansfied I,
2009 ~ Toronto, Chicago I, Chicago II
2010 ~ Cleveland, Buffalo
2011 ~ Toronto I, Toronto II, Ottawa, Hamilton
2013 - London, Pittsburgh, Buffalo
I would run like fuck, and I don't care who knows it.
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