I was attacked in my own home today for 40 bucks!!!

in_hiding79

Jeremy1012 wrote:

Exactly, and those wankers wouldn't know how to get their hands on a gun if their life depended on it. A good old knife and a bottle of White Lightning does the trick.

lol

What the hell is White Lightening??

Jeremy1012

in_hiding79 wrote:

lol

What the hell is White Lightening??

Cheap, strong cider, beloved of the british "Chav" culture of supposedly working-class white yobs (they aren't working class because none of them have a bloody job). You can buy 3 litres of this stuff for about £2. These people drink this crap by the barrel-load and then go about vandalising bus stops and the like.

in_hiding79

Jeremy1012 wrote:

Cheap, strong cider, beloved of the british "Chav" culture of supposedly working-class white yobs (they aren't working class because none of them have a bloody job). You can buy 3 litres of this stuff for about £2. These people drink this crap by the barrel-load and then go about vandalising bus stops and the like.

damn...

Anon

in_hiding79 wrote:

You don't have a gun in your home?

That is a must WHEREVER you live.....you can't trust ANYONE!

na, guns do more harm than good...watching Bowling for Columbine pretty much sealed that feeling up for me. More innocent people get killed by guns than those who may deserve it.

in_hiding79

all4PearlJam wrote:

na, guns do more harm than good...watching Bowling for Columbine pretty much sealed that feeling up for me. More innocent people get killed by guns than those who may deserve it.

maybe

...I haven't seen "bowling for Columbine". I'm not a fan of Michael Moore, although I did watch sicko and they should have called it "sucko"!! It was full of shit...

brainofPJ

TrixieCat wrote:

Oh lord..here we go again..."them". Are these the people in your "black" community.
I am so sick of this bs people spew on here. I am so sorry. It makes me sick. Between the conversation about oggling a 16 year old and this...it makes me feel sorry for people..

i also used the word "them" in an earlier post...

this was not to describe a certain race however the fact that it is my opinion that a crack head broke into my vehicle.

mookie9999

brainofPJ wrote:

i also used the word "them" in an earlier post...

this was not to describe a certain race however the fact that it is my opinion that a crack head broke into my vehicle.

Was there broken viles left behind or something?

brainofPJ

mookie9999 wrote:

Was there broken viles left behind or something?

no.

but my experiences with crack junkies/heads (younger brother and former friends, workmates) made me realize that a lot of them just want that really quick fix...thus, all they are looking for is money.

nothing was taken but $20. not 2 pairs of sneakers, several pair of jeans, sunglasses, my cd collection, dvds, video games, the radio...you name it it was in the van.

so yea...

crackhead.

Heineken Helen

Jeremy1012 wrote:

I must admit I was shocked today by the amount of people dismissing those who see a problem with racism with a simple "oh well, it's political correctness gone mad". I cannot believe that there are so many people here who don't see it as a problem. Sure, free speech never hurt anyone but it perpetuates the sentiments expressed with it. The amount of bullshit wasted in this thread today is phenomenal, on both sides of the argument.

Oh I have a HUGE problem with racism... I also have a problem with those who throw the word around way too quickly. Can't ya see that?

Heineken Helen

GreenTeaDisease wrote:

how does having crime warrant carrying a gun?
if someone robbed you or attacked you, would you honestly be able to pull the trigger?
I wouldn't.

I certainly would. Things like that get me sooooo fucking angry that god help anyone who tries.

Heineken Helen

Jeremy1012 wrote:

I'm sorry, I just cannot and WILL not ever understand the mentality that, if the shit hits the fan then it's ok, cos, y'know, we've got guns. Do you know which demographic constitutes the biggest gun problem in london? Young black males, probably the same as America. You know which demographic constitutes the highest number of gun related fatalities in London (and probably America)? Young black males. (this is not to get back into the race argument, there are reasons why this is the case and it's got bugger all to do with genetics)

To get all Boyz n the hood on you again you live by the gun, you die by the gun. That shit isn't going to happen to me.

We KNOW it's got bugger all to do with genetics... doesn't change the fact that, like you said, it's mainly young black males with the gun problem. I'm well aware of all the social issues that lead to these kinds of situations and I've mentioned it in this thread. But if we TALK about these social issues arising, well we called racist and must shut up! THAT'S what I don't get.

Heineken Helen

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

If I'm wary of anyone, it's these gangs of five foot tall, skinny white twats in tracksuits and baseball caps who lurk around street corners.

You racist BASTARD :mad: . What, have you something against ALL chavs now? I completely get your point... in my area it's the white teenage boys ya have to worry about... well there's probably about 5 black people living in my entire neighbourhood so that's understandable enough... but these fucking white kids are dangerous bastards.

Thanks for the midget wrestling

Heineken Helen

brainofPJ wrote:

i also used the word "them" in an earlier post...

this was not to describe a certain race however the fact that it is my opinion that a crack head broke into my vehicle.

It's only a matter of time before the word 'them' is banned by the pc brigade too :( what next? :eek:

by the way? What's QFT? Jeremy?

genie

Jeremy1012 wrote:

culture of supposedly working-class white yobs (they aren't working class because none of them have a bloody job)

and another good description of them is council estate thugs

Heineken Helen

genie wrote:

and another good description of them is council estate thugs

hmm... so now we can descriminate against white teenage boys, those who don't have a job and those from council estates? Let's see the Americans jump all over THIS one... ah... no... it's just the words 'black' and 'them' ya can't say :( sad SADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD world.

genie

Heineken Helen wrote:

hmm... so now we can descriminate against white teenage boys, those who don't have a job and those from council estates? Let's see the Americans jump all over THIS one... ah... no... it's just the words 'black' and 'them' ya can't say :( sad SADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD world.

yeah, phew i was close

but thankfully i wont have to spend all my day arguing and proving my point all over this thread

Heineken Helen

genie wrote:

yeah, phew i was close

but thankfully i wont have to spend all my day arguing and proving my point all over this thread

that's true.

Seriously there are no, absolutely none whatsoever, words to describe my utter disdain for political correctness. It's getting completely out of hand and to be honest, I think the PC brigade can often be the ones less comfortable about certain groups than the straight talkers... and they use political correctness to cover up their discomfort about the whole thing. And that's not saying anything about anyone who posts here... but ya know the suburban housewives who talk about 'americans of affro-carribbean origin' or whatever the term is these days... and they may never have socialised with a black person in their entire life.

in_hiding79

QFT means???????

Danimal

them
–pronoun
1. the objective case of they, used as a direct or indirect object: We saw them yesterday. I gave them the books.
2. Informal. (used instead of the pronoun they in the predicate after the verb to be): It's them, across the street. It isn't them.
3. Informal. (used instead of the pronoun their before a gerund): The boys' parents objected to them hiking without adult supervision.


Now from reading #3...am I to believe that the boy's that are hiking are black? Or am I to believe that the boy's parents objected to black people hiking without adult supervision?

I am really confused on this one.

Jeremy1012

in_hiding79 wrote:

QFT means???????

Quoted for truth. I mean I agree with GraySaturday

Jeremy1012

Heineken Helen wrote:

hmm... so now we can descriminate against white teenage boys, those who don't have a job and those from council estates? Let's see the Americans jump all over THIS one... ah... no... it's just the words 'black' and 'them' ya can't say :( sad SADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD world.

You choose to be a chav, you aren't born one. It's not even a case of social necessity like it might be for a black male with no father in south central LA to join the bloods or the crips, teenagers in britain that become chavs do so because they choose to. I know plenty of people from worse social situations than some chavs who despise them. It's got nothing to do with being from a council estate. I know a chav that went to a grammar school and is at university now. I know people who aren't chavs that are on the dole. Comparing disdain for chavs to racism is ridiculous Helen, it is NOT the same thing

Heineken Helen

Danimal wrote:

Now from reading this #3...am I to believe that the boy's that are hiking are black? Or am I to believe that the boy's parents objected to black people hiking without adult supervision?

I am really confused on this one.

I'm pretty sure the boys parents objected to black people hiking without adult supervision because they will be carrying guns and kill all the other hikers.

I can't believe you'd come out with such an ignorant racist statement :eek: :mad:

Heineken Helen

Jeremy1012 wrote:

You choose to be a chav, you aren't born one. It's not even a case of social necessity like it might be for a black male with no father in south central LA to join the bloods or the crips, teenagers in britain that become chavs do so because they choose to. I know plenty of people from worse social situations than some chavs who despise them. It's got nothing to do with being from a council estate. I know a chav that went to a grammar school and is at university now. I know people who aren't chavs that are on the dole. Comparing disdain for chavs to racism is ridiculous Helen, it is NOT the same thing

oh come on that's like saying 'you choose to be gay, you aren't born one' . And what you're saying about social necessity? There's no social necessity for a fatherless black male in south central to join gangs... I'm sure there are plenty who didn't cos they had a strong mother who raised them right. I don't think I know of ANY chav who became one without any outside influence. It's rare to see a solitary chav

Jeremy1012

Heineken Helen wrote:

oh come on that's like saying 'you choose to be gay, you aren't born one' . And what you're saying about social necessity? There's no social necessity for a fatherless black male in south central to join gangs... I'm sure there are plenty who didn't cos they had a strong mother who raised them right. I don't think I know of ANY chav who became one without any outside influence. It's rare to see a solitary chav

I'm fairly sure that the jury is still out on what causes people to be homosexual so let's not go into that, I'm pretty sure upbringing has at least some role to play though. With regards to the gang thing, my point was, chavs don't become chavs because they are living in an environment where their gang of chavs is the only male role model they have to "show them how to be a man". I find it absolutely understandable why gangs in places like LA exist, even if it is a terrible situation. Chavs are people who just relieve their boredom by roving around in homogenous packs of likeminded no hopers. (which yes, might be derived from social situations also but doesn't account for the poor white teenagers who are bored out of their mind who DON'T go around in packs vandalising places). The only reason for their existence is lack of ambition. Chavs have existed in scotland (as Neds) since the 50s in some form or another. My mother was brought up in one of the worst council estates in Glasgow and now lives in the frigging Cotswolds, has a degree and manages an entire department of social services It's not the same thing as race. Unless of course, you want to argue that black people could also strive to escape that term

Heineken Helen

I'm sorry jeremy but you're kinda contradicting yourself when you say:

'Chavs are people who just relieve their boredom (which yes, might be derived from social situations also but doesn't account for the poor white teenagers who are bored out of their mind who DON'T go around in packs vandalising places) by roving around in homogenous packs of likeminded no hopers'

how do you account for the plenty of poor black males from south central who DON'T go around doing drive by shootings? not all poor white people are chavs, just like not all poor black people are in gangs... geez... and I thought I was the racist one

It's possible for EITHER race to come from poverty and thrive. Which is WHY I bring up the social problems and why they need to be discussed... dump a load of poor people (of whatever race) in the one area and there may generally be a lack of ambition as you get used to the lifestyle. BUT if you mix it all up, like in our school there were rich, middle class and poor from each extreme end of the spectrum... and when you're a kid in that kinda place you don't actually KNOW that the poorest kid has less chances than the richest one cos as far as you're concerned you're all the same and you have the same opportunity as the rich kid. BUT if EVERY kid in your school is dirt poor and they're all coming from the same backgrounds, that's all they're gonna know.

acoustic guy

YOU GUYS ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT THIS?
Did anyone sleep?

Jeremy1012

Heineken Helen wrote:

I'm sorry jeremy but you're kinda contradicting yourself when you say:

'Chavs are people who just relieve their boredom (which yes, might be derived from social situations also but doesn't account for the poor white teenagers who are bored out of their mind who DON'T go around in packs vandalising places) by roving around in homogenous packs of likeminded no hopers'

how do you account for the plenty of poor black males from south central who DON'T go around doing drive by shootings? not all poor white people are chavs, just like not all poor black people are in gangs... geez... and I thought I was the racist one

It's possible for EITHER race to come from poverty and thrive. Which is WHY I bring up the social problems and why they need to be discussed... dump a load of poor people (of whatever race) in the one area and there may generally be a lack of ambition as you get used to the lifestyle. BUT if you mix it all up, like in our school there were rich, middle class and poor from each extreme end of the spectrum... and when you're a kid in that kinda place you don't actually KNOW that the poorest kid has less chances than the richest one cos as far as you're concerned you're all the same and you have the same opportunity as the rich kid. BUT if EVERY kid in your school is dirt poor and they're all coming from the same backgrounds, that's all they're gonna know.

Helen, you are the one that compared the disdain of chavs by people in this thread (including me) to the disdain of an entire race. You suggested that I am just as bad as a racist for doing so. This would be quite a trivialisation of race issues. This suggests that either chavs are an entire race of their own, comparable to that of black people and subject to the same parameters of bigotry from non-chavs or that blacks are, as a race, a gang of hoodlums. Now I know you weren't suggesting the latter because you aren't a narrow minded bigot so I dealt with gangs of hoodlums for both chavs and black people. Of course I wasn't saying that all black people are gang members. I know plenty of black people and I know no gang members. matter of fact, the only gang member I know vaguely, friend of a friend, is white. I was simplifying when I was comparing the social situation of chavs to the social situation of gang members in the black community to make a point.

Fuck. my head hurts...

Jeremy1012

acoustic guy wrote:

YOU GUYS ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT THIS?
Did anyone sleep?

Not until 6am this morning... although not because of this thread. It died for a few hours. Maybe it should die for good I feel it cannot be resolved.

Heineken Helen

Jeremy1012 wrote:

Helen, you are the one that compared the disdain of chavs by people in this thread (including me) to the disdain of an entire race. You suggested that I am just as bad as a racist for doing so. This would be quite a trivialisation of race issues. This suggests that either chavs are an entire race of their own, comparable to that of black people and subject to the same parameters of bigotry from non-chavs or that blacks are, as a race, a gang of hoodlums. Now I know you weren't suggesting the latter because you aren't a narrow minded bigot so I dealt with gangs of hoodlums for both chavs and black people. Of course I wasn't saying that all black people are gang members. I know plenty of black people and I know no gang members. matter of fact, the only gang member I know vaguely, friend of a friend, is white. I was simplifying when I was comparing the social situation of chavs to the social situation of gang members in the black community to make a point.

Fuck. my head hurts...

I'm not saying chav's aren't a race, but a stereotype's a stereotype... regardless of your colour. I too come from a country that's put up with it's fair share of shite and if you're gonna be so sensitive about black people, you should be like that with Irish people or every other group of people who've had their share of problems... all I wanna know is if you can't instantaneously hate all black people when you've been robbed by a black person, which may for some be a natural reaction... well then the world's gone nuts. I think there's a little bit of racism in all of us... the fact that some of you think black people can't take a joke or deserve to be spoken to differently than the rest of us... is still singling them out. You are still seeing them as a seperate group of people that we need to be more sensitive towards. We don't! I treat everyone the same and that's the way I feel it should be.

acoustic guy

Okay look.........................
Some Spook, Jigabo, Porch Monkey, Nigga, Spear Chucker Stoll his Money!!!!!
Okay, That is what he is for doing something like that!
That is how I would have described him! I'm Racist!!!!!
I wear whit hoods and bla bla bla!

Holy Fuck!