vegans

fragileblake

I am not vegan, but my fiancee is and I assure you she doesn't eat "rabbit food". Vegan has actually become its own cuisine like raw food, theres a 4 star restaurant in Portland thats owned by people who aren't ethical vegans. I really don't understand why people can't respect the ethical beliefs of others. I would never join the military for ethical reasons but I would never say that someone who did was bad, or stupid. By your same logic (and what great logic it is) if you see a good looking girl, why not rape her? I mean, you only live once.

pjoasisrule wrote:

You only live once, might as well enjoy a quality steak rather than just rabbit food.

pjoasisrule

fragileblake wrote:

I am not vegan, but my fiancee is and I assure you she doesn't eat "rabbit food". Vegan has actually become its own cuisine like raw food, theres a 4 star restaurant in Portland thats owned by people who aren't ethical vegans. I really don't understand why people can't respect the ethical beliefs of others. I would never join the military for ethical reasons but I would never say that someone who did was bad, or stupid. By your same logic (and what great logic it is) if you see a good looking girl, why not rape her? I mean, you only live once.

Big difference between eating a steak and doing something that is completely immoral.

I can respect it, I just dont understand it, that is why I question it.

fragileblake

There are people all over this world who think that eating certain types of meat or eating meat at all IS completely immoral. Maybe instead of spending so much effort "questioning" other people's beliefs you should examine your own.

pjoasisrule wrote:

Big difference between eating a steak and doing something that is completely immoral.

pjoasisrule

fragileblake wrote:

There are people all over this world who think that eating certain types of meat or eating meat at all IS completely immoral. Maybe instead of spending so much effort "questioning" other people's beliefs you should examine your own.

Somebody is a bit ornery tonight. If you dont understand the difference between hurting a woman by raping her and eating a burger then you got some serious issues yourself.

fragileblake

Somebody doesn't know how to read tonight. I never said the two were the same I simply stated that many religions, cultures and individuals would view both activities as immoral, albeit in varying degrees.

pjoasisrule wrote:

Somebody is a bit ornery tonight. If you dont understand the difference between hurting a woman by raping her and eating a burger then you got some serious issues yourself.

KosmicJelli

I do believe it is a lifestyle choice... My old boss was a vegan until she met her husband. My mother went vegan for awhile... but went back to meat products. I dont have alot of meat in my diet... but couldnt see giving up that huge porkchop my body craves for iron once a month!

Ms. Haiku

Here's a produce videocast:

http://www.youtube.com/RVO174

Here's a vegan show:

http://veganagogo.com/

Here's raw vegan show:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3378160474554390744&q=Ani+Phyo&total=6&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

Sian-of-the-dead

I like the idea of being vegan then I remember how much I love meat, fish and dairy

Heineken Helen

pjoasisrule wrote:

Why would you think about that while you are eating it? I dont think I have thought once about the dead animal while eating.

Me neither... well there have been a couple of occasions... like when I had rabbit and the ostrich BBQ at the ostrich farm in SA. They give ya the tour of the ostriches and show ya how cute and cool they actually are... and then they make ya eat them :(

1STmammal2wearPants

Have no problems with vegans/vegetarians. just know that i've tried doing it before and can't. not for me. like meat too much. again, i have no probs with vegans, but i DO have a problem with some of what PETA does, and some (not all) vegans thrusting their views upon meat-eaters.

Ms. Haiku

1STmammal2wearPants wrote:

Have no problems with vegans/vegetarians. just know that i've tried doing it before and can't. not for me. like meat too much. again, i have no probs with vegans, but i DO have a problem with some of what PETA does, and some (not all) vegans thrusting their views upon meat-eaters.

Yep, I like to listen to the podcast compassionatecooks.com a lot, but I could only listen to one of the veganfreaks podcast. Colleen Patrick-Goudreau from compassionatecooks.com is obviously passionate about her food choices, but she recognizes that everyone is on an individual path, and she is on hers. The podcasters from veganfreak podcast were more defensive, and I don't feel the need to use my time listening to them again.

Urban Hiker

1STmammal2wearPants wrote:

Have no problems with vegans/vegetarians. just know that i've tried doing it before and can't. not for me. like meat too much. again, i have no probs with vegans, but i DO have a problem with some of what PETA does, and some (not all) vegans thrusting their views upon meat-eaters.

I have a problem with some of what PETA does, however I do support most of their causes.

After watching I Am an Animal, I was beyond frustrated that they don't try to RESCUE dogs. If the owner can't pay for the medical care of a relinquished pet, PETA puts the dog to sleep. My impression from that documentary is that they don't even try. With all the groups out there who are dedicated to rehabilitating animals, I don't understand why PETA doesn't leave it up to them. :mad:

Oh, and I agree that militant vegans don't help the cause, but if the subject comes up I enjoy sharing my viewpoint and letting others know where they can find the info if they are interested.

Urban Hiker

Ms. Haiku wrote:

Yep, I like to listen to the podcast compassionatecooks.com a lot, but I could only listen to one of the veganfreaks podcast. Colleen Patrick-Goudreau from compassionatecooks.com is obviously passionate about her food choices, but she recognizes that everyone is on an individual path, and she is on hers. The podcasters from veganfreak podcast were more defensive, and I don't feel the need to use my time listening to them again.

I'm surprised Vegan Freaks podcasters were more defensive. I love their book. They made me feel like I didn't totally suck for not being able to go vegan cold tofurkey. They came across as very understanding in the book, bummer the podcast isn't the same. :(

Ms. Haiku

Urban Hiker wrote:

I'm surprised Vegan Freaks podcasters were more defensive. I love their book. They made me feel like I didn't totally suck for not being able to go vegan cold tofurkey. They came across as very understanding in the book, bummer the podcast isn't the same. :(

Yippee! A book referral! Right now I'm reading the Sexual Politics of Meat. I don't plan on going vegan, but vegetarian would be good for me.

Urban Hiker

Ms. Haiku wrote:

Yippee! A book referral! Right now I'm reading the Sexual Politics of Meat. I don't plan on going vegan, but vegetarian would be good for me.

I believe I have your book on my Amazon wish list. Please let me know how you like it.

Anybody else have good vegan/vegetarian book suggestions? Possibly, something Omnivore friendly that would help folks like to OP understand why people do this.

Ms. Haiku

Urban Hiker wrote:

I believe I have your book on my Amazon wish list. Please let me know how you like it.

Anybody else have good vegan/vegetarian book suggestions? Possibly, something Omnivore friendly that would help folks like to OP understand why people do this.

Slaughterhouse by Gail Eisintz. I reviewed it on my http://nextstopgraduateschool.blogspot.com. I just finished it Sunday. As powerful as The Jungle. Unfortunately, it tells the same thing. Unfortunately because you would think over 100 years that things would have changed a bit. Whereas both books examined the treatment of workers, Slaughterhouse also looks at the treatment of the animals. In this way its more expansive. Very timely given yesterday's meat recall news.

facepollution

I've been a vegetarian for 13 years, it's not done me any harm. It makes me laugh when some people say "I could never give up meat", of course you could, I ate as much meat as the next person and missed it for a while but will power is an amazing thing. If it's a case that you don't want to, that is something totally different, and entirely your own business.

I do kind of get irritated though by people making assumptions about vegetarians and vegans. From a personal point of view, yes I do get enough protein, no I do not lack energy, no I am not iron deficient and no I do not live on 'rabbit food'. The irony is, that the people usually asking these questions are over-weight people who live on meat and potatoes diets, as opposed to me who carries barely any fat, is in better physical shape and eats a varied and interesting diet.

1STmammal2wearPants

facepollution wrote:

It makes me laugh when some people say "I could never give up meat", of course you could

Well anyone could. Whether it's a dire necessity is another thing. I like it too much to give it up, unless I had a valid reason for doing so.

GreenTeaDisease

I just think it would be too difficult to be a *true* vegan. If you EVER eat outside the house, you never know what is going into your food. One of my friends is an animal welfare professional who hasn't eaten meat since she was about 9. I don't think I've ever seen her eat eggs, but I have seen her eat cheese. she has tried to be a vegan and found it too hard to ever eat out, so basically, she's a vegan "in the house." But that's the thing, with being veggie or vegan...it doesn't REALLY have to be all or none. when I decided to go veg, I never said I would never eat meat again, I could eat meat tomorrow if I wanted to.

GreenTeaDisease

facepollution wrote:

"I could never give up meat"

I've had no problems giving up meat (I just started last fall). The only thing I miss is like chicken when I go to asian restaurants (general gaos, orange, etc.). Sometimes I do feel like the healthier option is a meat option though (like say you're at a wedding and you have an option of chicken with vegetables or white pasta in alfredo sauce, clearly the chicken is healthier). At first I told myself that in that situation, I would opt for the meat, but I haven't, which probably isn't good but whatever. I can't give up eggs though- I eat the whites as a major source of protein that's easy to cook.