Teenagers make me sad!

Heineken Helen

meme wrote:

Ain't pushing the neighbor in a creek rebellion?

you're as bad as nypj1 :rolleyes:

how was it rebellion? He pissed me off, I pushed him, I wasn't a teenager, this has nothing to do with this thread

some of you are like a broken fucking record.

dunkman

Heineken Helen wrote:

SEE... now you're getting closer to what i'm trying to say. Why do we lose interest the older we get? Why do we stop believing that we can actually make a fucking difference to anything?

priorities change.. at 21 i felt invincible.. now i feel like strumming my guitar and making my kids giggle... i think in our western world there is nothing worth getting that heat up about really... but if i lived in fucking Chad or something and i had to walk 8 miles a day for rice and all 9 of my wifes had HIV but no drugs to fight it off then i'd have a reason to be angry and i might be willing to die for some form of change ... but here i get angry at not being able to get a good reception on radio 2.. priorities and a realisation that we, in Scotland anyway, have very little to fight 'the man' about..

dunkman

Heineken Helen wrote:

some of you are like a broken fucking record.

black and jaggy?

redrock

Heineken Helen wrote:

Why do we lose interest the older we get? Why do we stop believing that we can actually make a fucking difference to anything?

I don't think we lose interest HH, I think we just mature. Life experience, different experiences, wisdom, etc. just make you see things differently. You understand a bit more about where you can make a difference and where you just go with the flow (if it is not totally against what you believe in) - a compromise. This does not necessarily mean you are giving in, just being able to understand various points of view better. Some may take this understanding further and feel they are not satisfied with compromise and still want to change the world. Anyway, that's what I think.

Heineken Helen

redrock wrote:

I don't think we lose interest HH, I think we just mature. Life experience, different experiences, wisdom, etc. just make you see things differently. You understand a bit more about where you can make a difference and where you just go with the flow (if it is not totally against what you believe in) - a compromise. This does not necessarily mean you are giving in, just being able to understand various points of view better. Some may take this understanding further and feel they are not satisfied with compromise and still want to change the world. Anyway, that's what I think.

Thanks.. you could be right. I think a lot of people DO simply lose interest also. And some just give up and realise that's just how it is.

Heineken Helen

dunkman wrote:

we, in Scotland anyway, have very little to fight 'the man' about..

really? you've as much, if not more, as we have... at least we're no longer part of the UK


*sits back as all the US lurkers once again go looking for maps and going 'what's she talking about... of COURSE Ireland's in the UK*

GreenTeaDisease

dunkman wrote:

priorities change.. at 21 i felt invincible.. now i feel like strumming my guitar and making my kids giggle... i think in our western world there is nothing worth getting that heat up about really... but if i lived in fucking Chad or something and i had to walk 8 miles a day for rice and all 9 of my wifes had HIV but no drugs to fight it off then i'd have a reason to be angry and i might be willing to die for some form of change ... but here i get angry at not being able to get a good reception on radio 2.. priorities and a realisation that we, in Scotland anyway, have very little to fight 'the man' about..

my priorities really haven't changed. I still feel like a teenager in some ways because I can't seem to make the changes I want to make and do the things I want to do. I have molded my education so that I should be able to make changes, but I'm stuck here in energy consulting, getting very little work even in that.

dunk, you can still want change for the people in Chad...

Jennytree

There's better things in the world to worry about.

I think you have a misconception of teenagers these days - not all of them want to fight the world. I'm pretty sure fuck all of them do. There's sex and drugs to be worrying about, fuck fighting the government. Why fight things we know we can't change, no matter how much you delusion yourself, we just can't. I'd rather use my energy to look after myself and my family, instead of trying to get world peace.

GreenTeaDisease

Jennytree wrote:

There's better things in the world to worry about.

I think you have a misconception of teenagers these days - not all of them want to fight the world. I'm pretty sure fuck all of them do. There's sex and drugs to be worrying about, fuck fighting the government. Why fight things we know we can't change, no matter how much you delusion yourself, we just can't. I'd rather use my energy to look after myself and my family, instead of trying to get world peace.

there have always been sex and drugs for teenagers to worry about, but some teenagers don't, so they think about fighting the government.

wash_

Heineken Helen wrote:

Thank you... finally somebody who seems to understand what I'm talking about. Good point... and, from a teachers point of view, do you have any means of teaching them what to do?

I agree with you about society... and I also think that the vast majority seem to be blind to a certain way of thinking. I probably shouldn't have brought up this topic since I have personal reasons for feeling how I do... and they're not the kind I'm EVER gona talk about on the internet.

I would love to be able to have a chat with the 7 year olds I work with and introduce ideas about who and what they want to do/be when they're older. I've tried to talk to them about it, but when I ask 'what do you want to be when you grow up' and get the response 'shop assistant in TK Max, just like my 17 yr old Auntie'...kinda brings me to a silence. I was a bit shocked!

And work ethics and attitudes really do come from parents, so it will be a vicious cycle. Therefore, although I feel it's part of my job to inspire them, it won't amount to anything because they look up to their Mum's...or Aunties.

I really do think, that in order to change our society, we need to go backwards. People are far to greedy these days, want things right here and now and aren't prepared to earn it. I think some of it comes from so called human rights and government hand outs. It might seem rigid to go back 50 years or so but at least people learn attitudes, values and ethics. I think the 60's ideals got a bit out of hand!

And maybe the greed we now have has caused us to forget to fight for things we care about in life.

surfanddestroy

GreenTeaDisease wrote:

there have always been sex and drugs for teenagers to worry about, but some teenagers don't, so they think about fighting the government.

I really don't think that many teenagers are thinking of fighting th government, they are more bothered about what crappy music to play really loudly on their mobile phones on public transport to try and piss as many people as possible off.

GreenTeaDisease

surfanddestroy wrote:

I really don't think that many teenagers are thinking of fighting th government, they are more bothered about what crappy music to play really loudly on their mobile phones on public transport to try and piss as many people as possible off.

what I was responding to was how jennytree said that "these days...teenagers have drugs and sex to worry about." These thing aren't new "these days."

GreenTeaDisease

Heineken Helen wrote:

really? you've as much, if not more, as we have... at least we're no longer part of the UK


*sits back as all the US lurkers once again go looking for maps and going 'what's she talking about... of COURSE Ireland's in the UK*

oh HH, you underestimate the americans far too much...

but you're right, there *IS* plenty to worry about.

Heineken Helen

wash_ wrote:

I really do think, that in order to change our society, we need to go backwards. People are far to greedy these days, want things right here and now and aren't prepared to earn it. I think some of it comes from so called human rights and government hand outs. It might seem rigid to go back 50 years or so but at least people learn attitudes, values and ethics. I think the 60's ideals got a bit out of hand!

And maybe the greed we now have has caused us to forget to fight for things we care about in life.

I agree completely... we have it ALL wrong. Capitalism is not the way to go. 'Stuff' just distracts us from the REAL issues. There is even a big difference in the things you mentioned: attitudes; values & ethics, from when I was a kid. It's just all wrong.

Heineken Helen

GreenTeaDisease wrote:

my priorities really haven't changed. I still feel like a teenager in some ways because I can't seem to make the changes I want to make and do the things I want to do. I have molded my education so that I should be able to make changes, but I'm stuck here in energy consulting, getting very little work even in that.

dunk, you can still want change for the people in Chad...

I know what ya mean... about still feeling like a teenager in some ways. The teenage me is still in there just DYING to get out... but unfortunately I still have to turn up to work 5 days a week to do work for somebody else and accept their payment and take days off for me whenever they allow me to :(

redrock

wash_ wrote:

but when I ask 'what do you want to be when you grow up' and get the response 'shop assistant in TK Max, just like my 17 yr old Auntie'...kinda brings me to a silence. I was a bit shocked!

My daughter said she wanted to play harp in a restaurant and paint the skies. Where she got those ideas from, I don't know. Not sure her teacher was very impressed.

Joke apart, if what the kid sees is auntie at TK Max (17 years old, uneducated and maybe even pregnant) that's what this kid thinks is cool/normal/whatever. They do say education starts at home and if your home is full of couch potato slobs (wayne and waynette spring to mind!), what can one expect from the offspring?

My daughter is just a teenager. She wants to change the world, stop children going hungry/dying for nothing, etc. but she also looks after herself and her loved ones before anything else. She does have high aspirations for herself, but will that change as she becomes more of a teen? I don't know.

josevolution

Heineken Helen wrote:

First sign of independence, they wanna rebel... it comes naturally... cos humans aren't meant to be caged. The poor fuckers don't realise that we (society) will do whatever it takes to brainwash them to our way of thinking and put them in their box... boot camp, military school, therapy, jail... whatever it takes! :mad:

We WILL make the poor fuckers conform to normality. Authority seems to be the only reality these days... and freedom only exists in our minds :( sad sad sad state of affairs.

god how i wish i could have my teen years back ......

gobrowns19

I think teenage rebellion starts at adolescence, when you're going through puberty and mood swings as it is. Then it starts. Family, friends of family, every single family member, teachers, tell you what to do, how to act, what do you like, what don't you like, well why don't you know? And it happens, from 12-18, 6 years of people talking to you like you're too young or too old. Fuck, I don't need to wait until i'm 30 to really be able to understand some things. Sure, experience and age brings a lot, but I know at 19, hell i knew at 10 some things that people claim you need to be a parent to know. It's just years and years of 'you're too young to do this but you're old enough to get these responsibilities.' Rebellion comes from just not being able to fucking take it anymore.

Granted I feel i don't 'have' to be as rebellious as I once did, but it feels good to break those chains all the time, even if it's doing something small and stupid to 'fuck' with normal society like wear shorts in winter or a coat in summer. Anything to make people be like 'wow that kid is weird you're not *supposed* to do that.' Why are you *supposed* to do a lot of things? Some things are understandable, but why am I *supposed* to do some things? I'll do whatever it takes to set my self away from those people who think they are *supposed* to spend every minute at work, buy the biggest house, buy the biggest car, and die.

Sure some teens rebel for no reason, but not all of them.

dunkman

GreenTeaDisease wrote:

dunk, you can still want change for the people in Chad...

c'mon..... if i'm not going to tip people in the worlds richest country then what chance has Chad got

wash_

Heineken Helen wrote:

I agree completely... we have it ALL wrong. Capitalism is not the way to go. 'Stuff' just distracts us from the REAL issues. There is even a big difference in the things you mentioned: attitudes; values & ethics, from when I was a kid. It's just all wrong.

I was just about to add to my little speech....

I've seen our future and it's shocking (although am I dealing with a representative sample?!) I think in 10 years time there will be a huge change, government will (seriously) realise the mistakes they've made and people will want to change for the better. The 'future' can't get much worse than what it's set to become.