Teenagers make me sad!

chime

Heineken Helen wrote:

perhaps cos your parents already gave you an idea of what freedom is... compared to what your friends had?

I think the ones who rebelled at my school weren't the ones who had no freedom but those who had parents who didn't give a damn what they did. May be as a getting attention thing. I think myself and my friends who all had parents that gave us a lot of freedom but knew our parents cared what we did, didn't feel the need to rebel. Does that make sense

I think I';m trying to say some rebellion comes from having too much freedom and needing some guidance and rules.

nuffingman

Heineken Helen wrote:

perhaps cos your parents already gave you an idea of what freedom is... compared to what your friends had?

Sorry Helen, I think I'm being dumb. I don't understand that.
Edit: Should have read above. Teach me to take so long

dunkman

Hells.. instead of rambling mumblejumble.. can you put your point across in 1 or 2 sentences, as a question, cos i may have the brain the size of a swollen watermelon but you've fucking lost me

teenagers need to be anarchists?

nuffingman

dunkman wrote:

teenagers need to be anarchists?

We were happy to be arseholes.

Heineken Helen

Heineken Helen wrote:

First sign of independence, they wanna rebel... it comes naturally... cos humans aren't meant to be caged. The poor fuckers don't realise that we (society) will do whatever it takes to brainwash them to our way of thinking and put them in their box... boot camp, military school, therapy, jail... whatever it takes! :mad:

We WILL make the poor fuckers conform to normality. Authority seems to be the only reality these days... and freedom only exists in our minds :( sad sad sad state of affairs.

I thought it's clear enough in the first post dunk.

Heineken Helen

dunkman wrote:

Hells.. instead of rambling mumblejumble.. can you put your point across in 1 or 2 sentences, as a question, cos i may have the brain the size of a swollen watermelon but you've fucking lost me

teenagers need to be anarchists?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anarchy

Anarchy doesn't have to be a bad thing... I don't view football louts as anarchists to clarify... they're just louts.

wash_

I think the art of freedom is to be educated enough to know what you're rebelling against. Unfortunately a lot of kids out there don't know what they're doing.

I think society's intentions are good (constrictive for the greater good) but it gets caught up in today's madness and then becomes a destructive cycle.

I work with these so called fuckers when they're young...and can see excatly who they'll turn out to be due to their parents and opportunities they do/don't/will/won't get.


"It's a sad sad situation"

dunkman

Heineken Helen wrote:

First sign of independence, they wanna rebel... it comes naturally... cos humans aren't meant to be caged. The poor fuckers don't realise that we (society) will do whatever it takes to brainwash them to our way of thinking and put them in their box... boot camp, military school, therapy, jail... whatever it takes! :mad:

We WILL make the poor fuckers conform to normality. Authority seems to be the only reality these days... and freedom only exists in our minds :( sad sad sad state of affairs.

yep... there is not one question on this post.

nobody cages teenagers.. or put them into boxes... i dont know a single teenager who has been to jail, boot camp, military school (isnt that a boot camp?) or therapy...

and what is normality? i've read posts by people on here who are deemed normal.. and it sounds boring... and yet compared to mental folk who live in huts and smoke grass all day i'm boring... what is normal?

dunkman

Heineken Helen wrote:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anarchy

Anarchy doesn't have to be a bad thing... I don't view football louts as anarchists to clarify... they're just louts.

anarchy will never work... the dictionary definition you posted tells us why...

1 a: absence of government b: a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority c: a utopian society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government


a: will never work...

b: state of lawlessness equals individuals doing what they please... i.e. i would shoot someone in the face simply for wearing a beige cardigan.

c: utopian.. never gonna happen.

Heineken Helen

wash_ wrote:

I think the art of freedom is to be educated enough to know what you're rebelling against. Unfortunately a lot of kids out there don't know what they're doing.

I think society's intentions are good (constrictive for the greater good) but it gets caught up in today's madness and then becomes a destructive cycle.

I work with these so called fuckers when they're young...and can see excatly who they'll turn out to be due to their parents and opportunities they do/don't/will/won't get.


"It's a sad sad situation"

Thank you... finally somebody who seems to understand what I'm talking about. Good point... and, from a teachers point of view, do you have any means of teaching them what to do?

I agree with you about society... and I also think that the vast majority seem to be blind to a certain way of thinking. I probably shouldn't have brought up this topic since I have personal reasons for feeling how I do... and they're not the kind I'm EVER gona talk about on the internet.

Heineken Helen

dunkman wrote:

yep... there is not one question on this post.

I never claimed it to be a question it's just a topic I wanted to discuss and a point I was trying to make which is quite difficult to put into words

dunkman wrote:

nobody cages teenagers.. or put them into boxes... i dont know a single teenager who has been to jail, boot camp, military school (isnt that a boot camp?) or therapy...

If you insist.

dunkman wrote:

and what is normality? i've read posts by people on here who are deemed normal.. and it sounds boring... and yet compared to mental folk who live in huts and smoke grass all day i'm boring... what is normal?

well the fact that I was told I'm in an odd mood for simply bringing up this topic...

normality... hmm... normality, in the context I'm talking about, is a way of life... the vast majority of the western worlds way of life.

Heineken Helen

dunkman wrote:

anarchy will never work... the dictionary definition you posted tells us why...

1 a: absence of government b: a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority c: a utopian society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government


a: will never work...

b: state of lawlessness equals individuals doing what they please... i.e. i would shoot someone in the face simply for wearing a beige cardigan.

c: utopian.. never gonna happen.

what I wanna know is WHY can a never work? Why is C never gonna happen? And b well, why would ya do that?

I'm not disagreeing with ya... just wanna know hwat the fuck is wrong with people that we need to have OTHER people to tell us how to live. Those other people we give the power to are the same bunch of potential lawless individuals as the rest of us... except they have control over us.

dunkman

Heineken Helen wrote:

what I wanna know is WHY can a never work? Why is C never gonna happen? And b well, why would ya do that?

I'm not disagreeing with ya... just wanna know hwat the fuck is wrong with people that we need to have OTHER people to tell us how to live. Those other people we give the power to are the same bunch of potential lawless individuals as the rest of us... except they have control over us.

of course we need the laws and rules... as for B.. i fucking hate beige and i hate cardigans.

whats stopping people raping everyone if they know there is no law against it... seriously...

and i would personally drive everywhere at 80-90mph cos its fucking great fun... 30mph zones are there to protect people... but i really really want to drive through them at 80mph.. it'd be thrilling!!

also there is a guy who lives near me who is due some serious retirubution.. if we lived in anarchy then i'd find him and make him wear a beige cardigan...

also crime would go through the fcking roof!!! one guy has a big house and a porsche.. i'd just go and take it from him...

dunkman

Heineken Helen wrote:

what I wanna know is WHY can a never work? Why is C never gonna happen? And b well, why would ya do that?

I'm not disagreeing with ya... just wanna know hwat the fuck is wrong with people that we need to have OTHER people to tell us how to live. Those other people we give the power to are the same bunch of potential lawless individuals as the rest of us... except they have control over us.

A wont work because of B therefore C isnt attainable..


i believe i have just used algebra.

Heineken Helen

dunkman wrote:

of course we need the laws and rules... as for B.. i fucking hate beige and i hate cardigans.

whats stopping people raping everyone if they know there is no law against it... seriously...

and i would personally drive everywhere at 80-90mph cos its fucking great fun... 30mph zones are there to protect people... but i really really want to drive through them at 80mph.. it'd be thrilling!!

also there is a guy who lives near me who is due some serious retirubution.. if we lived in anarchy then i'd find him and make him wear a beige cardigan...

also crime would go through the fcking roof!!! one guy has a big house and a porsche.. i'd just go and take it from him...

See... I know it's pointless but I'm not looking for debate in this thread... but ideas. I could debate this issue forever and you will never convince me of your points and I'll never convince you of mine cos I still don't think you have a clue what I'm talking about and it's not something that can be easily explained. I just want inspiration.

dunkman

Heineken Helen wrote:

I just want inspiration.

fine then grumpyknickers... :(

take all your money.. a backpack... and book a flight to Mexico... then travel to the bottom of Chile... have fun

Heineken Helen

dunkman wrote:

fine then grumpyknickers... :(

take all your money.. a backpack... and book a flight to Mexico... then travel to the bottom of Chile... have fun

Do I really have to travel half way across the world to be inspired? :(

I'm just tired... in general I think!

kenshunt

Teenagers scare the leaving shit out of me, hehe awe such a shitty song by MCR.

dunkman

Heineken Helen wrote:

Do I really have to travel half way across the world to be inspired? :(

I'm just tired... in general I think!

depends what inspiration you seek? what to cook for dinner? then i'll offer a choice.

you want to write a book, compete in a sporting event, fish, make homeless people happy, become a priestess?

i dunno.. but i look out the window of my office and all that inspires me to do is travel somewhere sunny and have a beer.

what you so down about missy? :(

FinsburyParkCarrots

And they're spotty, too. And they smell of cheese and onion crisps and cheap cigarettes. And they are so fucking dozy, walking into things.