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2008 hall of fame class

xavier mcdanielxavier mcdaniel Somewhere in NYC Posts: 9,084
edited January 2008 in All Encompassing Trip
is goose gossage. jim rice fails to get in again.
Reading 2004
Albany 2006 Camden 2006 E. Rutherford 2, 2006 Inglewood 2006,
Chicago 2007
Camden 2008 MSG 2008 MSG 2008 Hartford 2008.
Seattle 2009 Seattle 2009 Philadelphia 2009,Philadelphia 2009 Philadelphia 2009
Hartford 2010 MSG 2010 MSG 2010
Toronto 2011,Toronto 2011
Wrigley Field 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Philadelphia 2, 2013
Philadelphia 1, 2016 Philadelphia 2 2016 New York 2016 New York 2016 Fenway 1, 2016
Fenway 2, 2018
MSG 2022
St. Paul, 1, St. Paul 2 2023
"I play good, hard-nosed basketball.
Things happen in the game. Nothing you
can do. I don't go and say,
"I'm gonna beat this guy up."
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    SPEEDY MCCREADYSPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 24,816
    goose gossage being a hall of famer.....

    is a fucking joke in my opinion......

    he doesnt fucking deserve it....
    Take me piece by piece.....
    Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
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    xavier mcdanielxavier mcdaniel Somewhere in NYC Posts: 9,084
    310 saves is not much but many were of the three-inning variety, which takes three guys these days not to screw up (more often than not they do).
    Reading 2004
    Albany 2006 Camden 2006 E. Rutherford 2, 2006 Inglewood 2006,
    Chicago 2007
    Camden 2008 MSG 2008 MSG 2008 Hartford 2008.
    Seattle 2009 Seattle 2009 Philadelphia 2009,Philadelphia 2009 Philadelphia 2009
    Hartford 2010 MSG 2010 MSG 2010
    Toronto 2011,Toronto 2011
    Wrigley Field 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Philadelphia 2, 2013
    Philadelphia 1, 2016 Philadelphia 2 2016 New York 2016 New York 2016 Fenway 1, 2016
    Fenway 2, 2018
    MSG 2022
    St. Paul, 1, St. Paul 2 2023
    "I play good, hard-nosed basketball.
    Things happen in the game. Nothing you
    can do. I don't go and say,
    "I'm gonna beat this guy up."
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    SPEEDY MCCREADYSPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 24,816
    xavier mcdaniel wrote:
    310 saves is not much but many were of the three-inning variety, which takes three guys these days not to screw up (more often than not they do).
    i realize for 8-10 years he was a hell of a closer......

    but the hall of fame in my opinion should only be for the elite.....the best of the best....

    not the really fucking good.....
    Take me piece by piece.....
    Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
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    xavier mcdanielxavier mcdaniel Somewhere in NYC Posts: 9,084
    valid point, but is 8-10 years of being a hell of a closer considered elite? i consider it elite, especially in that era before some schmuck was called the seventh-inning guy and the eighth-inning guy.
    Reading 2004
    Albany 2006 Camden 2006 E. Rutherford 2, 2006 Inglewood 2006,
    Chicago 2007
    Camden 2008 MSG 2008 MSG 2008 Hartford 2008.
    Seattle 2009 Seattle 2009 Philadelphia 2009,Philadelphia 2009 Philadelphia 2009
    Hartford 2010 MSG 2010 MSG 2010
    Toronto 2011,Toronto 2011
    Wrigley Field 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Philadelphia 2, 2013
    Philadelphia 1, 2016 Philadelphia 2 2016 New York 2016 New York 2016 Fenway 1, 2016
    Fenway 2, 2018
    MSG 2022
    St. Paul, 1, St. Paul 2 2023
    "I play good, hard-nosed basketball.
    Things happen in the game. Nothing you
    can do. I don't go and say,
    "I'm gonna beat this guy up."
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    normnorm I'm always home. I'm uncool. Posts: 31,147
    speedy do you think eckersley should be in the hall?
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    JSBEJSBE Posts: 1,075
    thankfully the 2009 class is weak, so hopefully jim ed gets in next year.
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    SPEEDY MCCREADYSPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 24,816
    cutback wrote:
    speedy do you think eckersley should be in the hall?
    absolutley.....

    eck won over 150 games as a starter.....

    and he was the best closer to walk the planet for 8-10 years.....

    390 saves in 10 years as a closer??? FUCK!!!!

    baseball is a game of numbers.....and eckersley blows gossage away.....
    Take me piece by piece.....
    Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
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    Steve DunneSteve Dunne Posts: 4,965
    I think only 1 player getting in this year is crazy. 2 owners, 2 managers, and a former commish, and only 1 player.

    I think Goose got his due, but I also think Jim Rice should be there as well.
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    normnorm I'm always home. I'm uncool. Posts: 31,147
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    absolutley.....

    eck won over 150 games as a starter.....

    and he was the best closer to walk the planet for 8-10 years.....

    390 saves in 10 years as a closer??? FUCK!!!!

    baseball is a game of numbers.....and eckersley blows gossage away.....

    just checking....i wanted to gauge who you think belongs in the hall......as for goose, i'm either way on him....he's in fine.....the only problem is that the bar has been lowered so we might see more players like him get in....
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    Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 12,479
    cutback wrote:
    speedy do you think eckersley should be in the hall?


    2004 he is in the hall
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    SPEEDY MCCREADYSPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 24,816
    cutback wrote:
    just checking....i wanted to gauge who you think belongs in the hall......as for goose, i'm either way on him....he's in fine.....the only problem is that the bar has been lowered so we might see more players like him get in....
    thats just it....

    has the bar been lowered????

    the hall should just be for the ELITE!!!!

    if nobody gets voted in for a few years......then so be it...

    dont lower the standards just to elect someone....
    Take me piece by piece.....
    Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
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    normnorm I'm always home. I'm uncool. Posts: 31,147
    Get_Right wrote:
    2004 he is in the hall

    i know...i was asking speedy if he should be....didn't phase the question right...:o
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    Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 12,479
    Steve Dunne wrote:
    I think only 1 player getting in this year is crazy. 2 owners, 2 managers, and a former commish, and only 1 player.

    I think Goose got his due, but I also think Jim Rice should be there as well.


    Jim's numbers are borderline and the votes reflect

    pretty sure he never was a batting champ and has never won a championship
    even though he was a very good player for a very long time, .280 hitters dont get to the hall without something more.

    by the way Im a sox fan, but he had less than 3000 hits, less than .300 avg, 90 RBI avg., and less than 400 home runs.
    Of course you could look at the converse, more than 2400 hits, etc..
    But quite simply not HOF numbers
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    Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 12,479
    cutback wrote:
    just checking....i wanted to gauge who you think belongs in the hall......as for goose, i'm either way on him....he's in fine.....the only problem is that the bar has been lowered so we might see more players like him get in....

    GOOSE helped establish the relievers role in Baseball and was one of the most dominant for a long time.

    Like he said "can you imagine how many more games I could have saved if I only had to pitch one inning? People say Mariano Rivera is the best of all time. I take issue with that."
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    SPEEDY MCCREADYSPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 24,816
    Get_Right wrote:
    Jim's numbers are borderline and the votes reflect

    pretty sure he never was a batting champ and has never won a championship
    even though he was a very good player for a very long time, .280 hitters dont get to the hall without something more.

    by the way Im a sox fan, but he had less than 3000 hits, less than .300 avg, 90 RBI avg., and less than 400 home runs.
    Of course you could look at the converse, more than 2400 hits, etc..
    But quite simply not HOF numbers
    8 times he had over 100 rbi
    7 times batted over .300
    Take me piece by piece.....
    Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
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    Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 12,479
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    8 times he had over 100 rbi
    7 times batted over .300

    and I dont think thats enough for the HOF, especially on a team that did not win a championship
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    LONGRDLONGRD Posts: 6,036
    The Boston papers recently had a bunch of articles and columns pleading for Jim Rice's voters to get him in the Hall. I think it was in one of Bob Ryan's column awhile back, saying that with all the steroid scandals, Rice's election into the Hall had a great chance in '08. Apparently not yet :(

    by the way, isn't there a 15-year limit after a player's retirement to get in the Hall?
    PJ- 04/29/2003.06/24,25,27,28,30/2008.10/27,28,30,31/2009
    EV- 08/09,10/2008.06/08,09/2009
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    smarcheesmarchee Windsor, Ontario Posts: 14,539
    how many voted did McGwire get ?
    1998 ~ Barrie
    2003 ~ Toronto
    2005 ~ London, Toronto
    2006 ~ Toronto
    2008 ~ Hartford, Mansfied I,
    2009 ~ Toronto, Chicago I, Chicago II
    2010 ~ Cleveland, Buffalo
    2011 ~ Toronto I, Toronto II, Ottawa, Hamilton
    2013 - London, Pittsburgh, Buffalo
    2014 - Detroit
    2019 - Chicago X 2
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    rearviewmirorrearviewmiror Posts: 894
    Last year is the last time before the Veteran's comm. He deserves to be in as he was as dominant as they come during his peak 10 year period.
    9/7/98, 8/3/00, 9/4/00, 4/15/03, 7/1/03, 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 5/24/06, 5/25/06, 6/17/08, 6/22/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 5/17/10, 10/15/13, 10/16/13.
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    SPEEDY MCCREADYSPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 24,816
    smarchee wrote:
    how many voted did McGwire get ?
    23%
    Take me piece by piece.....
    Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
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    smarcheesmarchee Windsor, Ontario Posts: 14,539
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    23%

    hmm, do you mind me asking what percentage he got last year ?
    1998 ~ Barrie
    2003 ~ Toronto
    2005 ~ London, Toronto
    2006 ~ Toronto
    2008 ~ Hartford, Mansfied I,
    2009 ~ Toronto, Chicago I, Chicago II
    2010 ~ Cleveland, Buffalo
    2011 ~ Toronto I, Toronto II, Ottawa, Hamilton
    2013 - London, Pittsburgh, Buffalo
    2014 - Detroit
    2019 - Chicago X 2
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    Solat13Solat13 Philadelphia Posts: 6,996
    smarchee wrote:
    how many voted did McGwire get ?

    Same as last year 128.

    You needed 408 to be elected this time around.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
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    Solat13Solat13 Philadelphia Posts: 6,996
    smarchee wrote:
    hmm, do you mind me asking what percentage he got last year ?

    He had 23.5% of the vote last year. 23.6% this year.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
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    SPEEDY MCCREADYSPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 24,816
    rearviewmiror wrote:
    Last year is the last time before the Veteran's comm. He deserves to be in as he was as dominant as they come during his peak 10 year period.
    if goose gossage is a hall of famer.....

    then jim rice should have been a first ballot hall of famer....

    like you said......for 10 years he was one of the most dominant players in the game.....
    Take me piece by piece.....
    Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
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    LONGRDLONGRD Posts: 6,036
    Solat13 wrote:
    He had 23.5% of the vote last year. 23.6% this year.
    i dont think he's gonna make it with those percentage until all the sudden the steroid scandals are forgiven immediately.
    PJ- 04/29/2003.06/24,25,27,28,30/2008.10/27,28,30,31/2009
    EV- 08/09,10/2008.06/08,09/2009
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    SPEEDY MCCREADYSPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 24,816
    mark mcgwire=dave kingman....

    before the steroids......
    Take me piece by piece.....
    Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
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    PureandEasyPureandEasy Posts: 5,779
    I can't believe they keep passing over Jim Rice

    pisses me off
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,315
    RICE not getting in probably has more to do with attitude towards press than his actuall stats ,i've heard that on sports talk radio and then again maybe not ..who knows but it seems someone has a bug up their ass about him ....
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
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    Solat13Solat13 Philadelphia Posts: 6,996
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    if goose gossage is a hall of famer.....

    then jim rice should have been a first ballot hall of famer....

    like you said......for 10 years he was one of the most dominant players in the game.....

    Yep, one MVP and 5 other top 5 in the MVP voting in 10 years is pretty dominant. Plus 3 home run titles and 2 rbi titles.

    I like the fact in 1978, he just missed the triple crown finishing 3rd in batting, first in homers and rbis, but more impressively, he also finished first in triples. What slugger ever leads the league in triples?
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
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    PoncierPoncier Posts: 16,253
    Get_Right wrote:
    Jim's numbers are borderline and the votes reflect

    pretty sure he never was a batting champ and has never won a championship
    even though he was a very good player for a very long time, .280 hitters dont get to the hall without something more.
    Well he has a .298 career average.
    He was MVP in 1978.
    77-79 he hit 39, 46 and 39 Hrs when 20 hrs was a big power season and hit .320, .315 and .325 those same years He was the AL's most feared hitter from 1976-1983.
    Eye problems cut his carer short, today lasix surgery would have extended his career a couple o fseasons and 400 Hr's would have been a lock.
    This weekend we rock Portland
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