2008 hall of fame class
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dave parkerStrangest Tribe wrote:Yeah but same can be said for Robby Alomar who played longer than Sandberg
I'm not sure I could put Alomar in there
I can't think of anyone better than Dawson either in the OF during the same era and there are 3 times as many OF'ers....Eddie Murray? Dave Winfield??
Henderson??? Dawson had more gold gloves and as good of numbers as all these guys
dale murphy....
they may have better numbers than dawson...........
and they are not in either.......Take me piece by piece.....
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....0 -
these guys all hit the magic number of 3000 hits.....Strangest Tribe wrote:Yeah but same can be said for Robby Alomar who played longer than Sandberg
I'm not sure I could put Alomar in there
I can't think of anyone better than Dawson either in the OF during the same era and there are 3 times as many OF'ers....Eddie Murray? Dave Winfield??
Henderson??? Dawson had more gold gloves and as good of numbers as all these guys
murray has over 500 home runs along with those 3000 hits....
rickey henderson is a first ballot hall of famer......who should get 100% of the vote.....Take me piece by piece.....
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....0 -
SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:kirby hit .318 lifetime.....he belongs....
just because he hit .318?0 -
Strangest Tribe wrote:Yeah but same can be said for Robby Alomar who played longer than Sandberg
I'm not sure I could put Alomar in there
I can't think of anyone better than Dawson either in the OF during the same era and there are 3 times as many OF'ers....Eddie Murray? Dave Winfield??
Henderson??? Dawson had more gold gloves and as good of numbers as all these guys
Eddie Murray didn't play the OF.
I would probably take Rickey Henderson, Tim Raines, Dale Murphy, Kirby Puckett, Dwight Evans, Tony Gwynn, Jim Rice.
Dawson had a lower OPS than Raines for his career and he was a slugger and Raines was a leadoff hitter for the most part.- Busted down the pretext
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that alone will most likely get you in to the hall of fame....JSBE wrote:just because he hit .318?
but of course kirby also had 2300 hits in 12 seasons...
multiple gold gloves...
and 2 world series trophies........Take me piece by piece.....
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....0 -
Poncier wrote:Well he has a .298 career average.
He was MVP in 1978.
77-79 he hit 39, 46 and 39 Hrs when 20 hrs was a big power season and hit .320, .315 and .325 those same years He was the AL's most feared hitter from 1976-1983.
Eye problems cut his carer short, today lasix surgery would have extended his career a couple o fseasons and 400 Hr's would have been a lock.
I agree he had a good run during those years, but five or six great seasons is not enough to get into the hall of fame without something more. And we know that all-star status does not mean much in HOF terms. Like I said, great player for a long time, a borderline hall of famer, at best.0 -
josevolution wrote:RICE not getting in probably has more to do with attitude towards press than his actuall stats ,i've heard that on sports talk radio and then again maybe not ..who knows but it seems someone has a bug up their ass about him ....
It has to do with the fact that he wasn't a very good player away from Fenway Park.
Fenway: .320/.374/.546
Road: .277/.330/.459
Jim Rice got 161 more votes than Tim Raines and Alan Trammell combined. Tim Raines alone should have garnered more votes than Rice.0 -
JSBE wrote:just because he hit .318?
Everyone who has hit over .315 for his career with over 2,000 hits is in the HOF with the exception of George Van Haltren who played in the 1890's.- Busted down the pretext
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Let me ask this....is Mariano Rivera a Hall of Fame player?
If you answer yes, then you should Jayson Stark's article, and then you should agree that Goose belongs.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/hof08/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=31715098/22/98 - Toronto
8/26/98 - Cleveland
10/7/00 - Detroit
4/25/03 - Cleveland
6/23/06 - Pittsburgh0 -
AstroFan wrote:It has to do with the fact that he wasn't a very good player away from Fenway Park.
Fenway: .320/.374/.546
Road: .277/.330/.459
Jim Rice got 161 more votes than Tim Raines and Alan Trammell combined. Tim Raines alone should have garnered more votes than Rice.
True, but he did hit .336/.386/.661 at Yankee Stadium which is probably why Red Sox Nation is so fond of him.- Busted down the pretext
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I think Dawson, Rice AND Murphy should be in. offensive explosions have destryed people's thinking. These 3 men were feared more than any other in their days.
Plus dont give me that Championship BS, post season performance can enhance a career, but it certainly does not define it. I mean baseball is a sport where you need the other 24 guys playing well and a competent manager.9/7/98, 8/3/00, 9/4/00, 4/15/03, 7/1/03, 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 5/24/06, 5/25/06, 6/17/08, 6/22/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 5/17/10, 10/15/13, 10/16/13.0 -
Solat13 wrote:True, but he did hit .336/.386/.661 at Yankee Stadium which is probably why Red Sox Nation is so fond of him.
Possibly. But that just means their perception of him is skewed, just like some Yankee fans irrationally thought they would be better if they parted with the best player on their team.0 -
SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:dave parker
dale murphy....
they may have better numbers than dawson...........
and they are not in either.......
Dawson had 8 gold gloves in 9 years ...how many did Parker and Murphy have???the Minions0 -
baseball is a numbers game....right????
lee smith retires with 478 saves?????
but he is not a first ballot hall of famer????
why the fuck not????
bruce sutter gets in with 300 saves?????
goose with 310????
rollie fingers????
but the guy who retired with the MOST CAREER saves is not in?????Take me piece by piece.....
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....0 -
parker won 2 batting titles....Strangest Tribe wrote:Dawson had 8 gold gloves in 9 years ...how many did Parker and Murphy have???
how many did dawson win????
parker won 2 world series....
how many did dawson win????Take me piece by piece.....
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....0 -
Strangest Tribe wrote:Dawson had 8 gold gloves in 9 years ...how many did Parker and Murphy have???
Murphy had 5 in 5 years while winning back to back MVPs. Dawson by my recollection only won one MVP for a team that came in last, while Murphy won his by winning a division and coming in 2nd.- Busted down the pretext
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SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:baseball is a numbers game....right????
lee smith retires with 478 saves?????
but he is not a first ballot hall of famer????
why the fuck not????
bruce sutter gets in with 300 saves?????
goose with 310????
rollie fingers????
but the guy who retired with the MOST CAREER saves is not in?????
thats a crime
Lee Smith is absolutely a HOF player0 -
Rice only had one MVP like Dawson
Rice didn't have any World Series titles
Rice didn't have any Gold Gloves
so why is Rice getting more HOF votes than Dawson?the Minions0 -
SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:baseball is a numbers game....right????
lee smith retires with 478 saves?????
but he is not a first ballot hall of famer????
why the fuck not????
bruce sutter gets in with 300 saves?????
goose with 310????
rollie fingers????
but the guy who retired with the MOST CAREER saves is not in?????
I think a big issue is that he pitched mostly one inning saves and the fact that Hoffman has the record now and the fact that his number of saves will be passed by Rivera as well hurts him.
Sutter, Gossage and Fingers all averaged over 100 IPs a year while Smith only averaged 85. He was seen as more of a one inning specialist. And starting with his era that one inning closer came into fashion.
I mean Randy Myers, Tom Henke, John Wettleland, Roberto Hernandez, Jose Mesa, Robb Nen, Rick Aguilara, Troy Percival and soon Todd Jones, Armando Benitez, Jason Isringhausen and Bob Wickman will all have more saves than Gossage and Sutter for their careers. But does anyone really think any of them are better than Sutter and Gossage?- Busted down the pretext
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