is batman a real superhero?

Rhinocerous Surprise

decides2dream wrote:

exactly.
so to answer the question, yes. you don't need superpowers to be a superhero. the fact that he is an ordinary man trying to accomplish extraordinary things, makes him super.

Psh. You could apply that rationale to all sorts of people - it's like calling Mahatma Gandhi or Martin Luther King superheroes. Yes, they're great blokes, but they're not superheroes, because they don't have superpowers. How are poeple not getting this?

Collin

Rhino, it's not about superpowers. It's about results. Batman is right up there with the other superheroes.

Batman is a superhero, Zorro is a hero.

decides2dream

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

Psh. You could apply that rationale to all sorts of people - it's like calling Mahatma Gandhi or Martin Luther King superheroes. Yes, they're great blokes, but they're not superheroes, because they don't have superpowers. How are poeple not getting this?

close-minded.


how do you not *get* that batman is a superhero is on you, not me. he IS.


and if gandhi wore a black cape.....it might've worked for him. think he might've gotten a bit too hot in the desert sun though. and i've never seen gandhi or king ever kick all sorts of ass, so yea........

Rhinocerous Surprise

Y'know that old saying, "The greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing the world he doesn't exist"?
Well, the greatest result Batman ever achieved was convincing the world he was a superhero. The sap.

Rhinocerous Surprise

decides2dream wrote:

close-minded.


how do you not *get* that batman is a superhero is on you, not me. he IS.


and if gandhi wore a black cape.....it might've worked for him. think he might've gotten a bit too hot in the desert sun though. and i've never seen gandhi or king ever kick all sorts of ass, so yea........

Gandhi and King didn't even need to kick all sorts of ass. Batman just has unresolved anger issues. If Batman had a superpower, it'd be "Looking Moody".

decides2dream

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

Y'know that old saying, "The greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing the world he doesn't exist"?
Well, the greatest result Batman ever achieved was convincing the world he was a superhero. The sap.

i LOVE that saying, and i can only hear it in keyser sose/kevin spacey's voice whenever i read/think of it. but that's another film....;)



and hey, believe what you want to believe. some of us KNOW.


i cannot believe i am even debating the subject of batman......:o


related side-note. after seeing the dark knight...that very evening went home and rewatched for the umteenth time bat man begins......and then last night rewatched batman and batman returns for the first time in years, and wow........what a difference! i far, far, farrrrrr prefer the christopher nolan vision to tim burton's and never would think that really. sooooo campy! i LOVE burton, and i love his ideas, his style...but yes, i prefer the seriousness and darkness, plus the sense of inner conflict within the newer batman series. amazing. and truly, the first batman...yikes! there really IS NO comparison with these films, soooo divergent!



back to batman the SUPERHERO!
:cool:




btw - where is this rule book that states one MUST have superpowers to be considered a superhero? oh yea, doesn't exist, that's right. so sure...shut it.

Collin

decides2dream wrote:

i LOVE that saying, and i can only hear it in keyser sose/kevin spacey's voice whenever i read/think of it. but that's another film....;)



and hey, believe what you want to believe. some of us KNOW.


i cannot believe i am even debating the subject of batman......:o


related side-note. after seeing the dark knight...that very evening went home and rewatched for the umteenth time bat man begins......and then last night rewatched batman and batman returns for the first time in years, and wow........what a difference! i far, far, farrrrrr prefer the christopher nolan vision to tim burton's and never would think that really. sooooo campy! i LOVE burton, and i love his ideas, his style...but yes, i prefer the seriousness and darkness, plus the sense of inner conflict within the newer batman series. amazing. and truly, the first batman...yikes! there really IS NO comparison with these films, soooo divergent!



back to batman the SUPERHERO!
:cool:




btw - where is this rule book that states one MUST have superpowers to be considered a superhero? oh yea, doesn't exist, that's right. so sure...shut it.

I agree, with all of it.

Rhinocerous Surprise

decides2dream wrote:

i LOVE that saying, and i can only hear it in keyser sose/kevin spacey's voice whenever i read/think of it. but that's another film....



and hey, believe what you want to believe. some of us KNOW.


i cannot believe i am even debating the subject of batman......


related side-note. after seeing the dark knight...that very evening went home and rewatched for the umteenth time bat man begins......and then last night rewatched batman and batman returns for the first time in years, and wow........what a difference! i far, far, farrrrrr prefer the christopher nolan vision to tim burton's and never would think that really. sooooo campy! i LOVE burton, and i love his ideas, his style...but yes, i prefer the seriousness and darkness, plus the sense of inner conflict within the newer batman series. amazing. and truly, the first batman...yikes! there really IS NO comparison with these films, soooo divergent!



back to batman the SUPERHERO!
:cool:




btw - where is this rule book that states one MUST have superpowers to be considered a superhero? oh yea, doesn't exist, that's right. so sure...shut it.

The clue is in the title - superhero. If you don't have superpowers, then where's the super coming from? You just have regular powers, so you're just a regular hero. It's logic.

And the seriousness of Batman is exactly what turns me off him in the first place - "boo-hoo, I had a bad childhood, now I'm gonna dress up like a deviant, punch some guys in the face, then frown for 5 hours in a dark room." Get a sense of humour, Bruce! That's why Adam West is, and forever will be, the only Batman that counts.

decides2dream

Collin wrote:

I agree, with all of it.

well as long as we can agree on the important stuff, there's still hope in the world.

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

The clue is in the title - superhero. If you don't have superpowers, then where's the super coming from? You just have regular powers, so you're just a regular hero. It's logic.

And the seriousness of Batman is exactly what turns me off him in the first place - "boo-hoo, I had a bad childhood, now I'm gonna dress up like a deviant, punch some guys in the face, then frown for 5 hours in a dark room." Get a sense of humour, Bruce! That's why Adam West is, and forever will be, the only Batman that counts.

see my first post in the thread:

decides2dream wrote:

so to answer the question, yes. you don't need superpowers to be a superhero. the fact that he is an ordinary man trying to accomplish extraordinary things, makes him super.

you want to disagree, cool. some of us just know the TRUTH.


and i love his seriousness. and in his current incarnation, his sexiness.
it's all good.

Collin

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

The clue is in the title - superhero. If you don't have superpowers, then where's the super coming from? You just have regular powers, so you're just a regular hero. It's logic.

You have your average heroes, such as Zorro, Chief Wiggum, Collin, Lassie, Walker, Texas Ranger...

And then you have heroes who do more than saving the local farmer from drowning or slapping some petty thieves on the fingers... The guys who go after the real criminal masterminds, the real villians.

Batman is one of those. His achievements are super. He is super. He is extremely good, he is excellent, hence the premodifier super.

Rhinocerous Surprise

Collin wrote:

You have your average heroes, such as Zorro, Chief Wiggum, Collin, Lassie, Walker, Texas Ranger...

And then you have heroes who do more than saving the local farmer from drowning or slapping some petty thieves on the fingers... The guys who go after the real criminal masterminds, the real villians.

Batman is one of those. His achievements are super. He is super. He is extremely good, he is excellent, hence the premodifier super.

Please... you guys just have low standards.

Earthworm Jim is more of a superhero than Batman.

decides2dream

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

Please... you guys just have low standards.

well we ARE debating with YOU.



good point.




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just kidding.


i have very HIGH standards, thus why i am impressed when an amazing man, especially one withOUT superpowers....can perform super feats for the benefit of humanity. to me, that's a REAL superhero, one who does so withouth the benefit, and let's face it...the advantage of superpowers, and just does it with their own intellect and strength.

Rhinocerous Surprise

decides2dream wrote:

well we ARE debating with YOU.
good point.

:eek:


just kidding.


i have very HIGH standards, thus why i am impressed when an amazing man, especially one withOUT superpowers....can perform super feats for the benefit of humanity. to me, that's a REAL superhero, one who does so withouth the benefit, and let's face it...the advantage of superpowers, and just does it with their own intellect and strength.

Ouch.

So would you open the door to calling Gandhi and King superheroes? They fit your description - and they didn't even need the benefit, and let's face it... the advantage of a creepy leather suit.

Ledbetterman10

I guess he's not a SUPERhero because he has no super powers. but he's definitely better than all the other superheros; Superman, Spiderman, etc. Batman has so many cool villains and side characters. the whole Bruce Wayne/Batman thing is so much better than that dork Peter Parker or Clark Kent's tired act.

decides2dream

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

Ouch.

So would you open the door to calling Gandhi and King superheroes? They fit your description - and they didn't even need the benefit, and let's face it... the advantage of a creepy leather suit.

no.
because let's face it, superheros aren't real. :eek: i know, i know...sorry to burst your bubble. anyhoo, superheroes are silly fun. gandhi and king are not....very real men who did extrodinary things in the real world. but within the silliness and unreal world of superheroes....you BET....batman IS a superhero!

chiquimonkey

decides2dream wrote:

well as long as we can agree on the important stuff, there's still hope in the world.








see my first post in the thread:





you want to disagree, cool. some of us just know the TRUTH.


and i love his seriousness. and in his current incarnation, his sexiness.
it's all good.

word!

and amen on the sexiness too. if being done up in black leather is being a deviant, what's so wrong with that

i can't believe this thread is still going....he's a superhero. period. lock this shit up lol

decides2dream

chiquimonkey wrote:

word!

and amen on the sexiness too. if being done up in black leather is being a deviant, what's so wrong with that

i can't believe this thread is still going....he's a superhero. period. lock this shit up lol

i cannot believe i even debated this topic ....damn you cate.
4 pages long...of what? discussing world peace? hahaha. then again, at least batman is a bit more 'elevated' than many other topics on this forum most of the time.


and yes...hellooooooooo....black leather? with christian bale IN it?! deviant? i'm IN. :cool:

chiquimonkey

decides2dream wrote:

i cannot believe i even debated this topic

i said the same thing earlier, after a few posts i was like WTF am i doing? a testament to how near and dear the batman character is to me heart i guess lol

and yes...hellooooooooo....black leather? with christian bale IN it?! deviant? i'm IN. :cool:

me tooooo! hot DAMN that man is sexy in that getup. grrr. there's always been that dark bent to the batman mystique, another reason it's appealing i suppose!

harmless_little_f***

chiquimonkey wrote:

lock this shit up

What Batman's mum said when she first caught him wearing leathers

chiquimonkey

harmless_little_f*** wrote:

What Batman's mum said when she first caught him wearing leathers

glad he didn't listen haha