Art is anything that makes one proud to be human

angelica

chadwick wrote:

that's me in the last section of your comment

I totally can see that about you.

chadwick

angelica wrote:

I totally can see that about you.

beautifully enslaved is one's heart
many ppl say it's a religion

whatever it is
it rules
Muse energy rules..

a drug

angelica

chadwick wrote:

beautifully enslaved is one's heart
many ppl say it's a religion

whatever it is
it rules
Muse energy rules..

a drug

I sooo agree. I see all this Light stuff that shows me stuff! And I listen...

chadwick

angelica wrote:

I sooo agree. I see all this Light stuff that shows me stuff! And I listen...

nice job @ listening

feeling

keep it up as you are
as you are

i have inspirational feelings comin at me from
many ways does it find me, or I finding the inspirational feelings

either way they are there and they are my life

this is why i don't fit in to most groups
i got to much goin on with my fuckin heart
being tugged around on

my head is up my ass most every moment of everyday
my attention is on my world
i am inspired to be that way

so yeah i understand a lil bit about artsy folk

they're fucked up ppl...

chiquimonkey

chadwick wrote:

i'm with ya
i'm not feelin that quote either
in fact
i think it's the words of someone trying very hard to be intellectually sound
and failing

that was my impression too. for all the intellectual takes on art, it all goes back to something visceral for me, emotion. if it doesn't make me feel something, it ain't working for me.

chadwick wrote:

so yeah i understand a lil bit about artsy folk

they're fucked up ppl...

oh brother, don't i know that lol

norm

chiquimonkey wrote:

that was my impression too. for all the intellectual takes on art, it all goes back to something visceral for me, emotion. if it doesn't make me feel something, it ain't working for me.

totally agree....there's a lot of "great art" out there that frankly does nothing for me....i understand why it should but that doesn't mean it will connect to me emotionally....

chadwick

chiquimonkey wrote:

that was my impression too. for all the intellectual takes on art, it all goes back to something visceral for me, emotion. if it doesn't make me feel something, it ain't working for me.


oh brother, don't i know that lol

yeah feeling
gotta feel it
or it isn't happenin

bending, shaping, forming, contorting, and
wrenching out even the slightest glimpse felt
rambling typing dude who forgot what was goin on
lost reading definitions dictionary finding "sleight of hand" in this well worn book of mine
while trying to look stuff up to add to this chatty conversation on art
(wonder if that's how they titled the tune..found it in a dictionary)

chiquimonkey

cutback wrote:

totally agree....there's a lot of "great art" out there that frankly does nothing for me....i understand why it should but that doesn't mean it will connect to me emotionally....

absolutely. there's stuff out htere that i know intellectually is classified as art, and it is art, but doesn't have anything my heart can hang on to. something for everybody which is good

chadwick when i hear sleight of hand (the term, not hte kickass song) i think of someone trying to pull the wool over my eyes. sometimes the excess verbage of what art is/isn't is just that....smoke and mirrors. it's like just let me feel the fucking thing and shut up lol

chadwick

chiquimonkey wrote:

absolutely. there's stuff out htere that i know intellectually is classified as art, and it is art, but doesn't have anything my heart can hang on to. something for everybody which is good

chadwick when i hear sleight of hand (the term, not hte kickass song) i think of someone trying to pull the wool over my eyes. sometimes the excess verbage of what art is/isn't is just that....smoke and mirrors. it's like just let me feel the fucking thing and shut up lol

that's right

i like how you say that

smoke/mirrors
feel the fing thing and shut up..

nicely done

chiquimonkey

chadwick wrote:

that's right

i like how you say that

smoke/mirrors
feel the fing thing and shut up..

nicely done

thank you! i know i spent many hours in art school listening to things being taken apart to the point where you forgot why they were even dissecting it in the first place lol it's fun to discuss to a point, even more fun to feel it and create it

chadwick

chiquimonkey wrote:

thank you! i know i spent many hours in art school listening to things being taken apart to the point where you forgot why they were even dissecting it in the first place lol it's fun to discuss to a point, even more fun to feel it and create it

abstract art being something i really like to feel
i've had life changing or earth shattering feelings felt
from someone's abstract artwork
that kinda stuff drags me into its realm and whips my ass
(and writings, always writings)

chiquimonkey

chadwick wrote:

abstract art being something i really like to feel
i've had life changing or earth shattering feelings felt
from someone's abstract artwork
that kinda stuff drags me into its realm and whips my ass
(and writings, always writings)

i hear ya, i get that feeling from so many forms of art...abstract, poetry, sculpture, music! actually i wonder if there is a thread already where people can post their sources of inspiration, their muses? probably in the art wall, i don't go visit nearly enough which is silly considering i'm a drawererer lol

chadwick

chiquimonkey wrote:

i hear ya, i get that feeling from so many forms of art...abstract, poetry, sculpture, music! actually i wonder if there is a thread already where people can post their sources of inspiration, their muses? probably in the art wall, i don't go visit nearly enough which is silly considering i'm a drawererer lol

drawererers rule ule ule rule

i don't go there much at all either
i probably should considering blah blah blah...

anyhow,
it has been nice typing opinions with you and the others..
i am out...

chiquimonkey

chadwick wrote:

drawererers rule ule ule rule

i don't go there much at all either
i probably should considering blah blah blah...

anyhow,
it has been nice typing opinions with you and the others..
i am out...

blah blah blah indeed haha

and yes, nice sharing thoughts with ya! have a good night i'm off myself, need to top myself off with cough syrup lol

catefrances

this:

angelica wrote:

"According to Socrates, physical objects and physical events are "shadows" of their ideal or perfect forms...Just as shadows are temporary, inconsequential epiphenomena produced by physical objects, physical objects are themselves fleeting phenomena caused by more substantial causes, the ideals of which they are mere instances..."

"The Theory of Forms typically refers to Plato's belief that the material world as it seems to us is not the real world, but only a shadow of the real world"


My understanding of transcendence is having awakened moments/experience of ourselves beyond our sensory-based 3-dimensional selves. Art can serve the purpose of being the vehicle to take us there -- beyond our small-mindedness, to seeing the limitless horizons all around us.

And at the same time, I've read of numerous artist/writers, etc. who speak of the form/inspiration already existing, and that they were mere vehicles in the physical manifestation of such art. I experience this writing my book; as Michelangelo saw the angel in the marble and set it free.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato

does not answer this:

angelica wrote:

...
Besides, saying without humans art and Truth do not exist is definitely debatable.

and yes i understand plato's theory of forms. but that doesnt negate what i said about art and the truth being non existent if man is. after all isnt man the conduit through and beyond which all this transcends? and without that conduit its all just theory.

angelica

catefrances wrote:

this:



does not answer this:




and yes i understand plato's theory of forms. but that doesnt negate what i said about art and the truth being non existent if man is. after all isnt man the conduit through and beyond which all this transcends? and without that conduit its all just theory.

I say: "Art and the Truth transcend mere humanity".

You say: "but without humanity, Art and 'the truth' do not exist."

My original point on this being debatable is that we see this differently. Your statement doesn't negate mine. It merely presents a different point of view.

I have no intention of negating what you said. It's your view.

If you don't agree that Art and Truth transcend humanity, that's your option.

catefrances

angelica wrote:

I say: "Art and the Truth transcend mere humanity".

You say: "but without humanity, Art and 'the truth' do not exist."

My original point on this being debatable is that we see this differently. Your statement doesn't negate mine. It merely presents a different point of view.

I have no intention of negating what you said. It's your view.

If you don't agree that Art and Truth transcend humanity, that's your option.

angelica... what i said was, without humanity Art and 'the truth' do not exist.

i also said that i understand the theory of forms. so obviously i do believe that humanity can be transcended. that opinion however is not contrary to my original assertion that without humanity Art and 'the truth' do not exist.

you say my point is debatable and then you dont debate but merely state that you have no intention of negating what i said cause its my view.

angelica

catefrances wrote:

angelica... what i said was, without humanity Art and 'the truth' do not exist.

i also said that i understand the theory of forms. so obviously i do believe that humanity can be transcended. that opinion however is not contrary to my original assertion that without humanity Art and 'the truth' do not exist.

you say my point is debatable and then you dont debate but merely state that you have no intention of negating what i said cause its my view.

You seem to feel that without humanity art and 'the truth' do not exist. I see that given we don't know what exists beyond our awareness it can just as easily exist, as not. This is therefore debatable.

catefrances

angelica wrote:

You seem to feel that without humanity art and 'the truth' do not exist. I see that given we don't know what exists beyond our awareness it can just as easily exist, as not. This is therefore debatable.

hmm... so if something is created by humans, it is your asssertion that without that creator, it can still exist? and tis Art i am speaking of in this instance.

angelica

catefrances wrote:

hmm... so if something is created by humans, it is your asssertion that without that creator, it can still exist? and tis Art i am speaking of in this instance.

I personally feel that the forms...the archetypes can exist beyond humans, yes. All potential everything...By that I mean without human existence they can still exist, yes.

In David Bohm's science theory, it's the non-physical plane - the implicate order - from which the explicate order unfolds from.

What most people can't grasp is this otherworldly realm because it does not have correlates that we comprehend. It doesn't follow our laws of physical matter.

The key 'problem' in your question, is you are asking "if something is created by humans, without it's creator can it exist?" I am not saying it is created by humans. I am saying it exists as form prior to human existence, or human comprehension of it's potentiality. I see that it exists as a "form" in a metaphysical/Divine realm. I don't see it that humans create art or truth. I believe art and Truth come from the Source of all, and humans then manifest this pre-existing potenial.

Where we differ in is who we attribute the creation to, apparently.