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Art is anything that makes one proud to be human

musicismylife78musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
edited July 2008 in All Encompassing Trip
quote by Amiri Baraka, while it expresses the importance of art, I think it also understates it as well.

Art(music, books, film) can also make one sick to the stomach, make you cry, make you pissed off, haunt you etc... I dont think those emotions necessarily correlate with being proud of being human
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  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    I don't like that quote at all... Like you said, it leaves out a lot of things that art is, and by definition includes things that aren't.
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  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    radiohead33 wrote:
    quote by Amiri Baraka, while it expresses the importance of art, I think it also understates it as well.

    Art(music, books, film) can also make one sick to the stomach, make you cry, make you pissed off, haunt you etc... I dont think those emotions necessarily correlate with being proud of being human
    Being human includes being sick to our stomachs; crying; being furious/frustrated, etc.

    All of these aspects of our humanity are glorious, as art knows and as art is known to awaken us to.
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  • chiquimonkeychiquimonkey Posts: 9,337
    i think the word that throws that quote off is 'proud'. a lot of art reminds us of hte human condition, both good and bad...not sure how pride works into it though
  • decides2dreamdecides2dream Posts: 14,977
    chiquimonkey wrote:
    i think the word that throws that quote off is 'proud'. a lot of art reminds us of hte human condition, both good and bad...not sure how pride works into it though



    indeed.
    art is subjective.
    and at the simplist....

    art IS.
    period.

    art is the full gamut of human emotion, documentation and expression. it can take so many forms, be utterly beautiful and horrifically ugly. it's 'definition' will probably be debated ad infinitum. thus, 'art is'.....encompasses it all, even if one argues 'what is' art or not. why worry about labels? focus on content, both good and bad and everything inbetween.....enjoy, be shocked and appalled, amazed and mesmerized.......yea, make me SEE...FEEL....THINK....QUESTION. :)
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  • chiquimonkeychiquimonkey Posts: 9,337
    decides2dream wrote:
    indeed.
    art is subjective.
    and at the simplist....

    art IS.
    period.

    art is the full gamut of human emotion, documentation and expression. it can take so many forms, be utterly beautiful and horrifically ugly. it's 'definition' will probably be debated ad infinitum. thus, 'art is'.....encompasses it all, even if one argues 'what is' art or not. why worry about labels? focus on content, both good and bad and everything inbetween.....enjoy, be shocked and appalled, amazed and mesmerized.......yea, make me SEE...FEEL....THINK....QUESTION. :)
    exactly. i would have said all that but the codeine is kicking in lol :o haha how is your ankle by the way!?

    but yeah, the pride thing in that quote is odd. god knows there's art out there that does qualify as art, yet doesn't make me proud to be a human
  • meisteredermeistereder Posts: 1,577
    True, art IS. The word art itself is derived from the verb to be. For this very reason.
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  • Jeremy1012Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    radiohead33 wrote:
    quote by Amiri Baraka, while it expresses the importance of art, I think it also understates it as well.

    Art(music, books, film) can also make one sick to the stomach, make you cry, make you pissed off, haunt you etc... I dont think those emotions necessarily correlate with being proud of being human
    All those things DO make me proud to be human. They aren't necessarily admirable attributes but they show that we are complex, multi-faceted beings with flaws. That's all I expect from art.
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  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    decides2dream wrote:

    art IS.
    period.


    'nuff said :)
  • Jeremy1012Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    cutback wrote:
    'nuff said :)
    Anything that can sustain a discussion about whether or not it is or is not IS DEFINITELY art :)
    "I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    Anything that can sustain a discussion about whether or not it is or is not IS DEFINITELY art :)

    :p:)
  • elmerelmer Posts: 1,683
    How one can be proud to be a human is beyond my comprehension. Human behaviour can bring a lump to my throat or sicken me, doesn't alter how I view my self as a human because I don't.


    "It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors". Oscar Wilde
  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    elmer wrote:
    How one can be proud to be a human is beyond my comprehension. Human behaviour can bring a lump to my throat or sicken me, doesn't alter how I view my self as a human because I don't.


    "It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors". Oscar Wilde
    Art and the Truth transcend mere humanity.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    aaah mr jones.... proud to be human??? how can one take pride in something they had not a damn thing to do with? is it an accomplishment to be human?? i think not. i do love the man's poetry though. :)
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    angelica wrote:
    Art and the Truth transcend mere humanity.


    but without humanity, Art and 'the truth' do not exist.
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  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    catefrances wrote:
    but without humanity, Art and 'the truth' do not exist.
    I said they transcend humanity. Through art/Truth, we can go beyond our meager humble little selves.

    Besides, saying without humans art and Truth do not exist is definitely debatable.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    angelica wrote:
    I said they transcend humanity. Through art/Truth, we can go beyond our meager humble little selves.

    Besides, saying without humans art and Truth do not exist is definitely debatable.

    okay so debate it.

    i know you said transcends, angelica. however it is man that creates art. it is man who seeks truth. without man who is left to do either. one can not transcend that which does not exist. especially if one does not exist himself.
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  • libragirllibragirl Posts: 4,632
    Im not feeling that quote...

    Art is amazing :)
    These cuts are leaving creases. Trace the scars to fit the pieces, to tell the story, you don't need to say a word.
  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    libragirl wrote:
    Im not feeling that quote...

    Art is amazing :)

    i'm with ya
    i'm not feelin that quote either
    in fact
    i think it's the words of someone trying very hard to be intellectually sound
    and failing
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    catefrances wrote:
    okay so debate it.

    i know you said transcends, angelica. however it is man that creates art. it is man who seeks truth. without man who is left to do either. one can not transcend that which does not exist. especially if one does not exist himself.
    "According to Socrates, physical objects and physical events are "shadows" of their ideal or perfect forms...Just as shadows are temporary, inconsequential epiphenomena produced by physical objects, physical objects are themselves fleeting phenomena caused by more substantial causes, the ideals of which they are mere instances..."

    "The Theory of Forms typically refers to Plato's belief that the material world as it seems to us is not the real world, but only a shadow of the real world"


    My understanding of transcendence is having awakened moments/experience of ourselves beyond our sensory-based 3-dimensional selves. Art can serve the purpose of being the vehicle to take us there -- beyond our small-mindedness, to seeing the limitless horizons all around us.

    And at the same time, I've read of numerous artist/writers, etc. who speak of the form/inspiration already existing, and that they were mere vehicles in the physical manifestation of such art. I experience this writing my book; as Michelangelo saw the angel in the marble and set it free.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato
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  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    angelica wrote:
    "According to Socrates, physical objects and physical events are "shadows" of their ideal or perfect forms...Just as shadows are temporary, inconsequential epiphenomena produced by physical objects, physical objects are themselves fleeting phenomena caused by more substantial causes, the ideals of which they are mere instances..."

    "The Theory of Forms typically refers to Plato's belief that the material world as it seems to us is not the real world, but only a shadow of the real world"


    My understanding of transcendence is having awakened moments/experience of ourselves beyond our sensory-based 3-dimensional selves. Art can serve the purpose of being the vehicle to take us there -- beyond our small-mindedness, to seeing the limitless horizons all around us.

    And at the same time, I've read of numerous artist/writers, etc. who speak of the form/inspiration already existing, and that they were mere vehicles in the physical manifestation of such art. I experience this writing my book; as Michelangelo saw the angel in the marble and set it free.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato


    that's me in the last section of your comment
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    chadwick wrote:
    that's me in the last section of your comment
    I totally can see that about you. :)
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  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    angelica wrote:
    I totally can see that about you. :)

    beautifully enslaved is one's heart
    many ppl say it's a religion

    whatever it is
    it rules
    Muse energy rules..

    a drug
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    chadwick wrote:
    beautifully enslaved is one's heart
    many ppl say it's a religion

    whatever it is
    it rules
    Muse energy rules..

    a drug
    I sooo agree. I see all this Light stuff that shows me stuff! And I listen...
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

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    Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    angelica wrote:
    I sooo agree. I see all this Light stuff that shows me stuff! And I listen...

    nice job @ listening

    feeling

    keep it up as you are
    as you are

    i have inspirational feelings comin at me from
    many ways does it find me, or I finding the inspirational feelings

    either way they are there and they are my life

    this is why i don't fit in to most groups
    i got to much goin on with my fuckin heart
    being tugged around on

    my head is up my ass most every moment of everyday
    my attention is on my world
    i am inspired to be that way

    so yeah i understand a lil bit about artsy folk

    they're fucked up ppl... :D
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • chiquimonkeychiquimonkey Posts: 9,337
    chadwick wrote:
    i'm with ya
    i'm not feelin that quote either
    in fact
    i think it's the words of someone trying very hard to be intellectually sound
    and failing
    that was my impression too. for all the intellectual takes on art, it all goes back to something visceral for me, emotion. if it doesn't make me feel something, it ain't working for me.
    chadwick wrote:
    so yeah i understand a lil bit about artsy folk

    they're fucked up ppl... :D
    oh brother, don't i know that lol
  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    chiquimonkey wrote:
    that was my impression too. for all the intellectual takes on art, it all goes back to something visceral for me, emotion. if it doesn't make me feel something, it ain't working for me.



    totally agree....there's a lot of "great art" out there that frankly does nothing for me....i understand why it should but that doesn't mean it will connect to me emotionally....
  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    chiquimonkey wrote:
    that was my impression too. for all the intellectual takes on art, it all goes back to something visceral for me, emotion. if it doesn't make me feel something, it ain't working for me.


    oh brother, don't i know that lol

    yeah feeling
    gotta feel it
    or it isn't happenin

    bending, shaping, forming, contorting, and
    wrenching out even the slightest glimpse felt
    rambling typing dude who forgot what was goin on
    lost reading definitions dictionary finding "sleight of hand" in this well worn book of mine
    while trying to look stuff up to add to this chatty conversation on art
    (wonder if that's how they titled the tune..found it in a dictionary) :)
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • chiquimonkeychiquimonkey Posts: 9,337
    cutback wrote:
    totally agree....there's a lot of "great art" out there that frankly does nothing for me....i understand why it should but that doesn't mean it will connect to me emotionally....
    absolutely. there's stuff out htere that i know intellectually is classified as art, and it is art, but doesn't have anything my heart can hang on to. something for everybody which is good

    chadwick when i hear sleight of hand (the term, not hte kickass song) i think of someone trying to pull the wool over my eyes. sometimes the excess verbage of what art is/isn't is just that....smoke and mirrors. it's like just let me feel the fucking thing and shut up lol
  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    chiquimonkey wrote:
    absolutely. there's stuff out htere that i know intellectually is classified as art, and it is art, but doesn't have anything my heart can hang on to. something for everybody which is good

    chadwick when i hear sleight of hand (the term, not hte kickass song) i think of someone trying to pull the wool over my eyes. sometimes the excess verbage of what art is/isn't is just that....smoke and mirrors. it's like just let me feel the fucking thing and shut up lol

    that's right

    i like how you say that

    smoke/mirrors
    feel the fing thing and shut up..

    nicely done
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • chiquimonkeychiquimonkey Posts: 9,337
    chadwick wrote:
    that's right

    i like how you say that

    smoke/mirrors
    feel the fing thing and shut up..

    nicely done
    thank you! :) i know i spent many hours in art school listening to things being taken apart to the point where you forgot why they were even dissecting it in the first place lol it's fun to discuss to a point, even more fun to feel it and create it :)
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