Art is anything that makes one proud to be human

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quote by Amiri Baraka, while it expresses the importance of art, I think it also understates it as well.
Art(music, books, film) can also make one sick to the stomach, make you cry, make you pissed off, haunt you etc... I dont think those emotions necessarily correlate with being proud of being human
Art(music, books, film) can also make one sick to the stomach, make you cry, make you pissed off, haunt you etc... I dont think those emotions necessarily correlate with being proud of being human
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I don't like that quote at all... Like you said, it leaves out a lot of things that art is, and by definition includes things that aren't.My whole life
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radiohead33 wrote:quote by Amiri Baraka, while it expresses the importance of art, I think it also understates it as well.
Art(music, books, film) can also make one sick to the stomach, make you cry, make you pissed off, haunt you etc... I dont think those emotions necessarily correlate with being proud of being human
All of these aspects of our humanity are glorious, as art knows and as art is known to awaken us to."The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
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i think the word that throws that quote off is 'proud'. a lot of art reminds us of hte human condition, both good and bad...not sure how pride works into it though0
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chiquimonkey wrote:i think the word that throws that quote off is 'proud'. a lot of art reminds us of hte human condition, both good and bad...not sure how pride works into it though
indeed.
art is subjective.
and at the simplist....
art IS.
period.
art is the full gamut of human emotion, documentation and expression. it can take so many forms, be utterly beautiful and horrifically ugly. it's 'definition' will probably be debated ad infinitum. thus, 'art is'.....encompasses it all, even if one argues 'what is' art or not. why worry about labels? focus on content, both good and bad and everything inbetween.....enjoy, be shocked and appalled, amazed and mesmerized.......yea, make me SEE...FEEL....THINK....QUESTION.Stay with me...
Let's just breathe...
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decides2dream wrote:indeed.
art is subjective.
and at the simplist....
art IS.
period.
art is the full gamut of human emotion, documentation and expression. it can take so many forms, be utterly beautiful and horrifically ugly. it's 'definition' will probably be debated ad infinitum. thus, 'art is'.....encompasses it all, even if one argues 'what is' art or not. why worry about labels? focus on content, both good and bad and everything inbetween.....enjoy, be shocked and appalled, amazed and mesmerized.......yea, make me SEE...FEEL....THINK....QUESTION.haha how is your ankle by the way!?
but yeah, the pride thing in that quote is odd. god knows there's art out there that does qualify as art, yet doesn't make me proud to be a human0 -
True, art IS. The word art itself is derived from the verb to be. For this very reason.San Diego 10/25/00, Mountain View 6/1/03, Santa Barbara 10/28/03, Northwest School 3/18/05, San Diego 7/7/06, Los Angeles 7/9/06, 7/10/06, Honolulu (U2) 12/9/06, Santa Barbara (EV) 4/10/08, Los Angeles (EV) 4/12/08, Hartford 6/27/08, Mansfield 6/28/08, VH1 Rock Honors The Who 7/12/08, Seattle 9/21/09, Universal City 9/30/09, 10/1/09, 10/6/09, 10/7/09, San Diego 10/9/09, Los Angeles (EV) 7/8/11, Santa Barbara (EV) 7/9/11, Chicago 7/19/13, San Diego 11/21/13, Los Angeles 11/23/13, 11/24/13, Oakland 11/26/13, Chicago 8/22/16, Missoula 8/13/18, Boston 9/2/18, Los Angeles 2/25/22 (EV), San Diego 5/3/22, Los Angeles 5/6/22, 5/7/22, Imola 6/25/22, Los Angeles 5/21/24, [London 6/29/24], [Boston 9/15/24]0
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radiohead33 wrote:quote by Amiri Baraka, while it expresses the importance of art, I think it also understates it as well.
Art(music, books, film) can also make one sick to the stomach, make you cry, make you pissed off, haunt you etc... I dont think those emotions necessarily correlate with being proud of being human"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"0 -
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cutback wrote:'nuff said"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"0
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Jeremy1012 wrote:Anything that can sustain a discussion about whether or not it is or is not IS DEFINITELY art0
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How one can be proud to be a human is beyond my comprehension. Human behaviour can bring a lump to my throat or sicken me, doesn't alter how I view my self as a human because I don't.
"It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors". Oscar Wilde0 -
elmer wrote:How one can be proud to be a human is beyond my comprehension. Human behaviour can bring a lump to my throat or sicken me, doesn't alter how I view my self as a human because I don't.
"It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors". Oscar Wilde"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
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aaah mr jones.... proud to be human??? how can one take pride in something they had not a damn thing to do with? is it an accomplishment to be human?? i think not. i do love the man's poetry though.hear my name
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angelica wrote:Art and the Truth transcend mere humanity.
but without humanity, Art and 'the truth' do not exist.hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
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catefrances wrote:but without humanity, Art and 'the truth' do not exist.
Besides, saying without humans art and Truth do not exist is definitely debatable."The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
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angelica wrote:I said they transcend humanity. Through art/Truth, we can go beyond our meager humble little selves.
Besides, saying without humans art and Truth do not exist is definitely debatable.
okay so debate it.
i know you said transcends, angelica. however it is man that creates art. it is man who seeks truth. without man who is left to do either. one can not transcend that which does not exist. especially if one does not exist himself.hear my name
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Im not feeling that quote...
Art is amazingThese cuts are leaving creases. Trace the scars to fit the pieces, to tell the story, you don't need to say a word.0 -
libragirl wrote:Im not feeling that quote...
Art is amazing
i'm with ya
i'm not feelin that quote either
in fact
i think it's the words of someone trying very hard to be intellectually sound
and failingfor poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
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catefrances wrote:okay so debate it.
i know you said transcends, angelica. however it is man that creates art. it is man who seeks truth. without man who is left to do either. one can not transcend that which does not exist. especially if one does not exist himself.
"The Theory of Forms typically refers to Plato's belief that the material world as it seems to us is not the real world, but only a shadow of the real world"
My understanding of transcendence is having awakened moments/experience of ourselves beyond our sensory-based 3-dimensional selves. Art can serve the purpose of being the vehicle to take us there -- beyond our small-mindedness, to seeing the limitless horizons all around us.
And at the same time, I've read of numerous artist/writers, etc. who speak of the form/inspiration already existing, and that they were mere vehicles in the physical manifestation of such art. I experience this writing my book; as Michelangelo saw the angel in the marble and set it free.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
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angelica wrote:"According to Socrates, physical objects and physical events are "shadows" of their ideal or perfect forms...Just as shadows are temporary, inconsequential epiphenomena produced by physical objects, physical objects are themselves fleeting phenomena caused by more substantial causes, the ideals of which they are mere instances..."
"The Theory of Forms typically refers to Plato's belief that the material world as it seems to us is not the real world, but only a shadow of the real world"
My understanding of transcendence is having awakened moments/experience of ourselves beyond our sensory-based 3-dimensional selves. Art can serve the purpose of being the vehicle to take us there -- beyond our small-mindedness, to seeing the limitless horizons all around us.
And at the same time, I've read of numerous artist/writers, etc. who speak of the form/inspiration already existing, and that they were mere vehicles in the physical manifestation of such art. I experience this writing my book; as Michelangelo saw the angel in the marble and set it free.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato
that's me in the last section of your commentfor poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce0
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