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It's not great as a story particularly, it's a wonderfully succinct way of presenting his philosophy via a novel though. Naturally Meursault is a dull and emotionless character, he is an indifferent object in an absurd and indifferent world.
I dunno, I guess I just related more to him than Caulfield
i disagree. i am a big fan of l'estanger. i can relate to meursault. i found it interesting that the man was condemned more for his behaviour in regards to him mourning his mother than the crime he committed. tis as if we must conduct ourselves in the manner that society has deemed 'normal' and therefore appropriate and acceptable and not how we choose as individuals. for me it is more an indictment on society than on the individual.
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i disagree. i am a big fan of l'estanger. i can relate to meursault. i found it interesting that the man was condemned more for his behaviour in regards to him mourning his mother than the crime he committed. tis as if we must conduct ourselves in the manner that society has deemed 'normal' and therefore appropriate and acceptable and not how we choose as individuals. for me it is more an indictment on society than on the individual.
How is that disagreeing with me?
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
but seriously....
i was disagreeing with your summation of it not being that great a story. per se.
I just mean that the plot and narrative is not exactly Dostoevsky but it's not supposed to be. It's a vehicle for Camus' philosophy rather than an end in itself.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
I just mean that the plot and narrative is not exactly Dostoevsky but it's not supposed to be. It's a vehicle for Camus' philosophy rather than an end in itself.
then why the fuck were you going on about it not being that great a story when by your own admission its not suppose to be dostoyevsky?
if its a vehicle for camus' philosophy, isnt that an end in itself?
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then why the fuck were you going on about it not being that great a story when by your own admission its not suppose to be dostoyevsky?
if its a vehicle for camus' philosophy, isnt that an end in itself?
Because elmer said that he found it tedious and dull and not entertaining, hence my comment that, though I could see where he was coming from, I liked it based on its ideas, even if Camus' style isn't exactly my favourite.
Calm yourself down.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
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Anyhow, I want to finish it so I can start reading my next book; "Scar Tissue" by Anthony Kiedis.
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by Barbra W Tuchman. its about Mankind,Politics & its Failures. historical. very good read. lots of big words LOL .
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sounds enthralling. I'm waiting for Artie Lange's autobio, on sale next Tuesday!!!
Ha! I used to be a huge Artie fan. He was actually the reason I started listening to Stern, but he has really turned me off over the last few years. I would like to read his book because I'm sure they will talk about it a lot on the show, but I don't want to put money in his pocket.
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"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
I've never read any Behan, although I think one of his plays is on my reading list next term. Is he any good? I know some of his brother's folk songs. Good old irish rebel music
We did The Hostage in college. Pretty entertaining stuff, though we went more for whimsy than political commentary. Plus, we built the bar for the show and then installed it in my friend's apartment after the run.
I am finally getting around to really plunging into No Country For Old Men.
Cormac is such an amazing talent. It makes me ill to think about it sometimes.
I am going to plow thru his entire catalog now. Amazing.
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Ha! I used to be a huge Artie fan. He was actually the reason I started listening to Stern, but he has really turned me off over the last few years. I would like to read his book because I'm sure they will talk about it a lot on the show, but I don't want to put money in his pocket.
I just ordered a book written by relatives of Heath Ledger. I was hoping that a Jon Krakauer or someone of his ilk would do the story right and I can't wait for Krakauer's take on Pat Tillman. I didn't want to read any fluff stories on the guy, but felt that there's an interesting story there. But when I saw on Amazon that some relatives wrote the story with an Australian author, I figured they'd at least have an inside perspective to his story.
Held Captive...a book about the abduction and rescue of Elizabeth Smart.
That whole mess was treated like 9/11 in Utah...
glad she's safe, regardless of my opinion.
Anyways,
I just finished 'Ishmael' by Daniel Quinn today...LOVED it, to me it was a beautiful book
and I'm contemplating whether to read my girlfriends copy of 'Great Expectations' next or 'The Picture of Dorian Gray'.
The picture sounds more interesting, seeing that i've seen the film adaption of Dickens "masterpiece"
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I just finished 'Ishmael' by Daniel Quinn today...LOVED it, to me it was a beautiful book
Agreed. And the reason?? Money and the Mormon church...both of which corrupt. (Btw, in the book they compare the abduction to 9/11 SEVERAL times!)
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"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
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I'm going to read all four books in the series.
i disagree. i am a big fan of l'estanger. i can relate to meursault. i found it interesting that the man was condemned more for his behaviour in regards to him mourning his mother than the crime he committed. tis as if we must conduct ourselves in the manner that society has deemed 'normal' and therefore appropriate and acceptable and not how we choose as individuals. for me it is more an indictment on society than on the individual.
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this could be the day
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as if i care.
but seriously....
i was disagreeing with your summation of it not being that great a story. per se.
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this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Mad libs for me.
then why the fuck were you going on about it not being that great a story when by your own admission its not suppose to be dostoyevsky?
if its a vehicle for camus' philosophy, isnt that an end in itself?
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Calm yourself down.
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Hey all, i am currently readding a very good book, its titled:
"The March of Folly"
by Barbra W Tuchman. its about Mankind,Politics & its Failures. historical. very good read. lots of big words LOL .
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sounds enthralling. I'm waiting for Artie Lange's autobio, on sale next Tuesday!!!
Ha! I used to be a huge Artie fan. He was actually the reason I started listening to Stern, but he has really turned me off over the last few years. I would like to read his book because I'm sure they will talk about it a lot on the show, but I don't want to put money in his pocket.
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We did The Hostage in college. Pretty entertaining stuff, though we went more for whimsy than political commentary. Plus, we built the bar for the show and then installed it in my friend's apartment after the run.
Cormac is such an amazing talent. It makes me ill to think about it sometimes.
I am going to plow thru his entire catalog now. Amazing.
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
I just ordered a book written by relatives of Heath Ledger. I was hoping that a Jon Krakauer or someone of his ilk would do the story right and I can't wait for Krakauer's take on Pat Tillman. I didn't want to read any fluff stories on the guy, but felt that there's an interesting story there. But when I saw on Amazon that some relatives wrote the story with an Australian author, I figured they'd at least have an inside perspective to his story.
Now, I'm reading "Why New Orleans Matters".
That whole mess was treated like 9/11 in Utah...
glad she's safe, regardless of my opinion.
Anyways,
I just finished 'Ishmael' by Daniel Quinn today...LOVED it, to me it was a beautiful book
and I'm contemplating whether to read my girlfriends copy of 'Great Expectations' next or 'The Picture of Dorian Gray'.
The picture sounds more interesting, seeing that i've seen the film adaption of Dickens "masterpiece"
6/12/08 - Tampa, FL
8/23/09 - Chicago, IL
9/28/09 - Salt Lake City, UT (11 years too long!!!)
9/03/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 1
9/04/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 2
I am in the middle of Ishmael. I stalled out after a while. I NEED to get through this book, I made a promise.
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The Tyranny of the Night
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Toronto 2011,Toronto 2011
Wrigley Field 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Philadelphia 2, 2013
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Fenway 2, 2018
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Now I'm either going to start Ishmael or Sex Drugs and CocoPuffs.