'Sopranos' final season to begin April 8

AllNiteThing

MasterFramer wrote:

"I have no interest in explaining, defending, reinterpreting, or adding to what is there," Chase said of the scene.

Figures... :rolleyes: I have even less respect for him now. He talked more about a movie than he did the show...

Of course!!! Because it is what it is. There was no 'secret' implied whacking. What you see is what you get. He even says it in the interview. Did you ever think that MAYBE he doesn't want to comment anymore is because he wants everyone to take away from it what they want? Why deride the man for his creative vision??

AllNiteThing

rrivers wrote:

Read Allnite's posts and see who has the problem. What does it concern you anyway?

Give it a rest. Damn you're miserable.

Garden Dogg

AllNiteThing wrote:

Of course!!! Because it is what it is. There was no 'secret' implied whacking. What you see is what you get. He even says it in the interview. Did you ever think that MAYBE he doesn't want to comment anymore is because he wants everyone to take away from it what they want? Why deride the man for his creative vision??

you got what you saw, which is obviously different than what some others got. you made it very clear what you think happened, but why you have to keep trying to pound it into everyone is beyond me. you said yourself that maybe he wants everyone to take away their own conclusion, but when anyone has an opinion that differs from yours, you again bring up what you bring across as the be-all-end-all in explanations. don't you see a contradiction there?

nowayimfaithfull

AllNiteThing wrote:

Great post. You're right, I didn't mean to 'rate' people fansize or whatever you call it, sorry if that came out wrong. My point was that there are a lot of people out there, in the media especially, coming down on the creative direction of the final episode (or final season for that matter), and you can just tell that they haven't been immersed in the Soprano world enough to know that this was the inevitable conclusion to the show. ANYONE can enjoy the show, I don't care if you're a casual fan or not, but it's frustrating seeing so many people with 'loud' opinions getting air time, who obviously don't realize that the show doesn't and has never catered to the typical hollywood mold.

even
good post
Iwill say this, after reading his article and the its all in the music quote is priceless.
]I cant wait to rewatch every episode and refocus on the lyrics.
Second scene waiting for the fbi, oldies tune playing, paulie and tony.
some funny shit

nowayimfaithfull

MasterFramer wrote:

Amen... didnt think Sorpranos fan boys existed till now.

Also Allnightthing, stop saying that people who think the ending was less than ok are people who like "tits and guns" It's asinine. The show is NOT as awesome as you think it is. Its a great show but its far from brilliant like you keep insisting on. Want a brilliant show? Watch The Wire.

I love tits, guns,and ass.
I also loved the meaningless family shit that went on, it gave way to most of the anxiety that floated thru households.
Its so much more believable when you see a persons everyday routine and faults and problems, you feel what is going on in a persons life.
its as if we got to know them and than all of a sudden you are right with them in their crisis.
You see things that make them human, and it comes off way more realistic.
It made the show.
It wa like bill cosby show, and instead of a doctor he was a moboss.

MasterFramer

AllNiteThing wrote:

Of course!!! Because it is what it is. There was no 'secret' implied whacking. What you see is what you get. He even says it in the interview. Did you ever think that MAYBE he doesn't want to comment anymore is because he wants everyone to take away from it what they want? Why deride the man for his creative vision??

He said "I have no interest", its pretty damn arrogant thing to say when there are TONS of fans unhappy with the ending. He doesnt care. He could have said what you just said but he didnt. He sounds like some spoiled kid in school who doesn't like his art being critiqued... like I said he gave the movie more attention than his so called "masterpiece" ending :rolleyes: Sounds like, "if the price is right I'll make a movie". If he was so proud of this ending he would have said more about it than a "No comment". He's even weaker than I thought.

nowayimfaithfull

aNiMaL wrote:

With All Due Respect...The Sopranos was one of the most brilliant shows ever to grace the small screen. The Wire is good, but truly has nothing on The Sopranos or Deadwood. And I agree with Allnite, there are two camps of fans of The Sopranos...the ones who appreciate the writing and character development and the drama of the entire saga....and then there are those who only liked the killing and T&A. Most of the latter fans were probably really disappointed with the ending just as they were bored with season 4 when the violence went down a bit after 9/11.

Too add to this apreciate the directing, camerawork, and more importantly the importance to detail, like the neighborhoods, and the diolougue.
The facial expressions also

nowayimfaithfull

MasterFramer wrote:

The Wire has one, amongst many, things that trumps both those shows... REALITY.

Deadwood is one of the most over rated shows EVER. Its crap.

To put Sorpranos fans into two camps is pretty stupid. I think the show is great (NOT BRILLIANT, at this point Heroes is a better show). I never watched Sorpranos for the killing or TA and to say that I did because I thought the last two seasons were junk is, again, stupid. I watched the show for the characters and story. I also enjoyed laughing at what idiots they all were too. Another thing that hurt the show was the editing, most of the recent shows felt like they were cut and pasted by some intern who had no idea what pacing and tempo were. How about Tony's therapy? You rarely saw the two of them on screen at the same time except when Tony came and left. Lazy TV.

you just never quit. You must be a lonely dude, you disrespect everything and anyone to make yourself sound more knowledgable.

too put people into 2 camps is pretty stupid.

too call someoen on that is even more stupid.

you should right your own reality tv show, call it knowitall, go around too peoples bussinesse and tell people what they are doing wrong/

Garden Dogg

funniest moments from the finale:

when paulie unzips his pants at the table at vesuvio's.

the glaring look carmela gives tony after he talks about his mother to a.j.'s therapist.

maybe we should focus on what we enjoy about the show instead of bickering with each other.

nowayimfaithfull

Garden Dogg wrote:

funniest moments from the finale:

when paulie unzips his pants at the table at vesuvio's.

the glaring look carmela gives tony after he talks about his mother to a.j.'s therapist.

maybe we should focus on what we enjoy about the show instead of bickering with each other.

talked this up today.

the part hwere tony breaks paulies balls about the mother mary.
i am watching it now, paulies ringtone
hysterical

Garden Dogg

nowayimfaithfull wrote:

the part hwere tony breaks paulies balls about the mother mary.

we could have sold holy water by the gallon...made millions. lol

nowayimfaithfull

tony:how many fucking times have i told you its an suv watch where you park off road, the catyilitic converter and the dry vegatation,
aj : i dint see the leaves
tony : you can grill fucking steaks on that converter i told you
carmella : if there was children playing in those leaves you would have run them over
aj : i guess
tony : are you gonna get cute know
aj : i was just answering her question
meadow : dad he wasnt being funny
tony : mind your own godamm business unless you want some of this too
meadow : shut your fat mout
tony : what you say

typical gresat family fight

MasterFramer

nowayimfaithfull wrote:

you should right your own reality tv show, call it knowitall, go around too peoples bussinesse and tell people what they are doing wrong/

I do this already... good idea, I should film it. And no I have lots of friends...

Garden Dogg

MasterFramer wrote:

I do this already... good idea, I should film it. And no I have lots of friends...

cool...can i have a development executive job and a bmw?

MasterFramer

Garden Dogg wrote:

the glaring look carmela gives tony after he talks about his mother to a.j.'s therapist.

See I didn't think that was funny at all... it was awkward and didn't make sense, shouldn't she be supportive given the situation?

MasterFramer

Garden Dogg wrote:

cool...can i have a development executive job and a bmw?

Well they arent making a new M3 this year, will an M6 do?

alpitt

AllNiteThing, I also agree with everything you've said. I don't think he was killed mainly because who was left to kill Tony? And if it was someone we didn't even know about than that's just stupid. Also, a hitman would walk in a do it immediately not sit down and meander. The "Made in America" title is evident in the final scene, in an American 50's style diner with all kinds of different people we assumed were hitman, because Chase was putting it on the audience with that final scene building the tension and all. In reality they were all just Americans: cub scout, trucker, thuggish guys...then the Soprano family. The lyrics, as mentioned, make total sense. A few more things with the final episode:

*Loved the cat situation, with the symbolism of Tony's continuous love of small animals and Paulie and Chrissy feuding after his death. But did it represent Adriana (my first thought), or was Christopher a rat and the cat staring at it meant Chris was wired up after he killed JT (the Cleaver hat in his final scene?), or was it Pussy reincarnated (for obvious reasons)?

*I'm kind of closet Journey fan and "Don't Stop Believing" has been overplayed as of late, but never again will I think of it the same way

*Really liked the scene with AJ and Rhiannon in the car with "It's Alright Ma, I'm Only Bleeding" playing...dont really know why, combination of music and how it was shot, and tension I think.

rrivers

AllNiteThing wrote:

I'll argue that you're wrong, but I'll accept that it is possible. rrivers and his buddies are the ones who can't accept any other view. Tony was shot, end of story. At least accept that there could be any number of things that happened, right?!

I have said all along that the thought of Tony getting shot was just my opinion and I gave the reasons I thought so. I know there are many possible endings.

NY PJ1

he didnt die

i mean do u think all these people connected to his life were in that diner at the same time

they were symbols,, nothing more

phils nephew the thugs who tried to shoot him the boy scouts at the train store cmon

AllNiteThing

NY PJ1 wrote:

he didnt die

i mean do u think all these people connected to his life were in that diner at the same time

they were symbols,, nothing more

phils nephew the thugs who tried to shoot him the boy scouts at the train store cmon

And the choice of song isn't just coincidence... 'the movie never ends, it goes on and on and on....' i.e. the Soprano life continues, we just don't get to see it.