The Departed

NOCODE#1

sponger wrote:

The fact that he was warned by Damon is my point. Kingpins don't become kingpins by making "ego" decisions. They're cold and calculating.

To bring the movie to a quick close, Jack's character had to be "dumbed down" to someone who bases his decisions on his ego.

So, the fact that Jack Nicholson showed up to a drug deal even though he knew he had a rat in his crew is plot hole of the film. Any semi-intelligent king pin would've sent a captain to do it for him. In the theater, Leo has the ringer off. In the alley way, his ringer is on. It's a plot hole that was created so that the movie wouldn't end too soon.

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so ringer off in a movie theater is not believable :rolleyes: the million times they tell you to silence your cell phone????????????

Jack didnt think he was going to die, he wanted to cash out with the FBI

he knew his days were numbered.

sponger

NOCODE#1 wrote:

so ringer off in a movie theater is not believable :rolleyes: the million times they tell you to silence your cell phone????????????

So, he turns the ringer back on before pursuing a suspect? Remember, as you keep making excuses for these plot holes, you also dumb down the main characters.

Jack didnt think he was going to die, he wanted to cash out with the FBI

he knew his days were numbered.

If this was true, he wouldn't have driven through a hail of gunfire to escape.

1STmammal2wearPants

As far as I'm concerned, the movie is an entertaining thing to watch. Isn't that what movies are supposed to be? People can bitch and cry about plot holes or analyze it to death all they want, but in the end, it's most definitely one of the most satisfying movies I have seen in a long time, that warrants all of the praise that it got. Some people go in with a sour face on almost wanting it to be bad because everyone else in the world thinks it's a good movie, trying to find something to rip on. It was simply entertaining, and the fact that it got Best Picture recognizes that to me.

aNiMaL

Good to read. I rented two movies last night: Little Miss Sunshine and The Departed. I watched Little Miss SUnshine last night and thought it was brilliant!!! Now, I am as excited about The Departed as well.

sponger

1STmammal2wearPants wrote:

As far as I'm concerned, the movie is an entertaining thing to watch. Isn't that what movies are supposed to be? People can bitch and cry about plot holes or analyze it to death all they want, but in the end, it's most definitely one of the most satisfying movies I have seen in a long time, that warrants all of the praise that it got. Some people go in with a sour face on almost wanting it to be bad because everyone else in the world thinks it's a good movie, trying to find something to rip on. It was simply entertaining, and the fact that it got Best Picture recognizes that to me.

That's a great way of saying that you just didn't notice the plot holes and are now upset that someone else did.

NOCODE#1

sponger wrote:

So, he turns the ringer back on before pursuing a suspect? Remember, as you keep making excuses for these plot holes, you also dumb down the main characters.



If this was true, he wouldn't have driven through a hail of gunfire to escape.

HE THOUGHT IT WAS A TRAP HE DIDNT THINK MATT WAS GONNA START A GUNFIRE PARADE.

NOCODE#1

1STmammal2wearPants wrote:

Some people go in with a sour face on almost wanting it to be bad

his name is sponger

NOCODE#1

sponger wrote:

That's a great way of saying that you just didn't notice the plot holes and are now upset that someone else did.

hey comic book guy put down the keyboard, go back to comtemplating who would win a race the flash or superman.


all your holes have been answered. but please continue to run your mouth.

sponger

NOCODE#1 wrote:

HE THOUGHT IT WAS A TRAP HE DIDNT THINK MATT WAS GONNA START A GUNFIRE PARADE.

Doesn't matter. Common sense dictates that fleeing a drug raid will draw police gunfire.

Also, you're still speculating that he actually wanted to get caught. This is in spite of the fact that he ordered matt damon to call off the tail and went out of his way to sniff out the rat. You think it's all because he wanted to get caught?

Again, his common sense had to be dumbed down so the movie could draw to the close.

I understand that you really like the movie, so I'm not surprised to see you so desperately defend an obviously flawed plot line with equally flawed logic. But, you really got to have more respect for yourself.

hey comic book guy put down the keyboard, go back to comtemplating who would win a race the flash or superman.
all your holes have been answered. but please continue to run your mouth.

awwee..poor baby want to cry? did I hurt your feelings?

1STmammal2wearPants

sponger wrote:

That's a great way of saying that you just didn't notice the plot holes and are now upset that someone else did.

No, it's a good movie that I enjoyed. I'm not Roger Ebert. I take film classes to analyze movies. I go to them to enjoy them.
Besides, it's tough to find a movie that's 100 percent flawless anyways. If we have to pull out the negative parts of every movie and examine them instead of the mostly positive parts of the movies like you yourself do, then no one would go to the movies and every movie would be a negativity fest.

sponger

1STmammal2wearPants wrote:

No, it's a good movie that I enjoyed. I'm not Roger Ebert. I take film classes to analyze movies. I go to them to enjoy them.
Besides, it's tough to find a movie that's 100 percent flawless anyways. If we have to pull out the negative parts of every movie and examine them instead of the mostly positive parts of the movies like you yourself do, then no one would go to the movies and every movie would be a negativity fest.

I enjoyed the movie as well. I don't expect movies to be completely without inconsistencies. I didn't say it was a bad movie or that it wasn't deserving of accolades. But, these inconsistencies were, to me, pretty obvious and they made it hard for me to enjoy the movie as much as I would like to have.

I think it could've been done better, and I don't think it was deserving of best picture.

And you, for instance, look beyond the inconsistencies and appreciate the movie for its entertainment value. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that.

But, what if you started actually trying to make me believe that those inconsistencies didn't exist? And what if you got to the point where you became rude and insulting just because someone wouldn't see it your way?

Wouldn't you say that's a little fanatical? A little beyond a mere appreciation for cinematic entertainment?

And that's what I'm defending myself against here. I'm not knocking the movie. I'm trying to help someone who has lost his grip on reality regain his grip one step at a time.

Red mosquita

polaris wrote:

anyone else seen the original and thought this was mediocre?

I like so much more the korean movie called ‘Infernal Affairs’

LedZepFan

Let me address these two plot holes by saying:

the cell phone ring is actually an inconsistency, not a plot hole. it happens.


the ending...well, what we're missing here, in my opinion, is that to become a kingpin yes, you do need an ego and, in this case, i believe we're dealing with a pyschotic. Therefore I think it's perfectly plausible that Costello would go to the deal out of ego and in addition being that he is more or less portrayed as a pyschotic, we shouldn't really be expecting him to be making rational decisions across the board.

RyeGuy

Decent movie. I liked the way it ended. Good acting from the all-star cast.

sponger

LedZepFan wrote:

Let me address these two plot holes by saying:

the cell phone ring is actually an inconsistency, not a plot hole. it happens.

When an inconsistency has a direct impact on the outcome of the movie, it then becomes a plot hole. If leo hadn't turned his ringer back on, he probably would've caught up with Matt Damon. In which case, the rest of the movie would've turned out differently. Plot hole.

the ending...well, what we're missing here, in my opinion, is that to become a kingpin yes, you do need an ego and, in this case, i believe we're dealing with a pyschotic. Therefore I think it's perfectly plausible that Costello would go to the deal out of ego and in addition being that he is more or less portrayed as a pyschotic, we shouldn't really be expecting him to be making rational decisions across the board.

In reality, psychotics are known to ascend to the highest reaches of power on both sides of the law. Being psychotic doesn't always mean compromising logic. It just means there is a serious emotional imbalance - a "vacancy" in the emotions department.

He was a kingpin for a period spanning several decades according to the movie. This means he knows how to make decisions.

Think of all the real-life mafia bosses over the years who have been brought down. Were any of them ever caught red-handed? The answer is no. It was always an "underling" who testified as a witness that closed the deal.

That's why I say that any competent king pin would've sent a captain in his place.

strummers

María Fernanda wrote:

I like so much more the korean movie called ‘Infernal Affairs’

Infernal Affairs is shit hot compared to this completely dumbed down version.

Watch Infernal Affairs - it treats its audience with respect and credits them with a bit of intellignece!

Galaxie2X4

I thought Blood Diamond was way, way, way, way, way, way, way way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way better than the Departed. I make this comparison only becuase DiCaprio was in both. The Departed was good, but Best Picture??????

The Juggler

DUDE! its a FUCKING movie! relax......a damn good movie as well.

get a life.

sponger wrote:

Doesn't matter. Common sense dictates that fleeing a drug raid will draw police gunfire.

Also, you're still speculating that he actually wanted to get caught. This is in spite of the fact that he ordered matt damon to call off the tail and went out of his way to sniff out the rat. You think it's all because he wanted to get caught?

Again, his common sense had to be dumbed down so the movie could draw to the close.

I understand that you really like the movie, so I'm not surprised to see you so desperately defend an obviously flawed plot line with equally flawed logic. But, you really got to have more respect for yourself.



awwee..poor baby want to cry? did I hurt your feelings?

sponger

The Jeagler wrote:

DUDE! its a FUCKING movie! relax......a damn good movie as well.

get a life.

That's really a biased statement considering that I am responding no more frequently and with no greater enthusiasm than the people I am responding to.

The fact that you choose to tell me instead of them to get a life means that, from your point of view, only people who enjoy this movie have a life.

So, with that in mind, I guess you think you have a life because you enjoy this movie. Whatever floats ur boat.

Galaxie2X4

Departed=Overrated

Blood Diamond=Best movie of year