big papi with twins then with sox

Fighting Hellfish

rearviewmiror wrote:

He's gotten progressively bigger, and he is a big man. Talk about jealousy. Why dont you take a look at his baseball cards year after year and check out the difference.

we can do this with anyone:

A-Rod Mariners prospect: http://images.usatoday.com/sports/preps/_photos/2005-06-27-in-arod.jpg

Yankee A-Rod: http://images.askmen.com/galleries/men/alex-rodriguez/pictures/alex-rodriguez-picture-1.jpg

You do realize that the Arod Mariners picture was probably taken when he was 17 or 18 right?

Fighting Hellfish

Poncier wrote:

A.How about a picture from his final year in Minnesota when he was 218 rather a spring training photo from when he was a minor leaguer in the system.

2. You gonna tell me there's a 115 lb difference in the 2 photos?

so it's okay that he starte dtaking them in Minnesota?

NY PJ1

Poncier wrote:

Really?


http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/images/features/allstar/allstar_recaps/allstar_1986.jpg


http://blog.ticketcity.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/clemens_aaa.jpg

hes just old and likes to eat

Fighting Hellfish

Poncier wrote:

Really?


http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/images/features/allstar/allstar_recaps/allstar_1986.jpg


http://blog.ticketcity.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/clemens_aaa.jpg

the Ortiz pictures span about 4-5 years. The Clemens pictures span 20 or more years

NY PJ1

why cant everybody realize that a high majority of players did it

it was in every clubhouse ,, and u know that a high amount said wtf

some did more than others but a whole hell of alot tried it

Poncier

Fighting Hellfish wrote:

the Ortiz pictures span about 4-5 years. The Clemens pictures span 20 or more years

The Ortiz pictures actuall span 9 years, 1998 to 2007

chromiam

Fighting Hellfish wrote:

There's more evidence against Ortiz (The pictures I posted) than there is against clemens or Pettitte.

A pitcher would take roids for a different reason than a postion player would. Hence the look of the two players would be different even if they were both taking the same roid.

A pitcher would want to have longer stamina in their legs and shoulders and be able to generate more tourque. And also be able to recover faster after pitching sessions. A position player would want to develop their upper body, forearms, and biceps to generate more pop off their bat.

Fighting Hellfish

That's kinda my point too. Everyone's acting like yesterdays names are the complete list. It's a major problem, every team has big names doing it. More than 100 players failed a steroid test in 2003, a test they knew was coming. If less than 5% failed, there would have been no steroid test after that. And tehy still failed by the boatload. Today, there probably are less players using steroids. Because tehy've all moved on to HGH.

Fighting Hellfish

Poncier wrote:

The Ortiz pictures actuall span 9 years, 1998 to 2007

Ok, sorry. I didn't know the pic I used was from 2007.

Solat13

Ignore this, for some reason I can't the link from 2004 to work.

Fighting Hellfish wrote:

the Ortiz pictures span about 4-5 years. The Clemens pictures span 20 or more years

That Ortiz picture is from 98 when he was a minor leaguer.

This would be a picture of Ortiz 6 years after your first picture:

http://www.viewimages.com/Search.aspx?mid=275192&epmid=2&partner=Google

http://www.viewimages.com/Search.aspx?mid=275192&epmid=2&partner=Google

The Champ

NY PJ1 wrote:

hes just old and likes to eat

Who, Ortiz or Clemens?