During John McCain's speech he said..

cincybearcat

jimed14 wrote:

You are looking at the glass half empty and I'm looking at the glass half full.

really?

Seems to me you are looking to empty my glass and fill yours, while I'd like to keep my glass filled with what I earned and allow you the same.

jimed14

cincybearcat wrote:

really?

Seems to me you are looking to empty my glass and fill yours, while I'd like to keep my glass filled with what I earned and allow you the same.

I meant on what you take home vs what you are taxed ... you wer eonly looking at the TAXED side ... thus, the glass half empty side.

edit ... by the way ... I am MUCH close to the $500k side than the $50k side of this equation and I am MORE than willing to pitch in if everyone else will

I ain't loking for no hand out ... please don't assume that I am.

NO ONE should get a hand out ... people should work for welfare .... but we need to improve alot in this country ... and the rich folks can kick in a touch more than the poor.

brandon10

jimed14 wrote:

with the way McCain was sabre rattling the other week towards Russia ...I ahve a feeling he'll spend a lot more .... on military.

Not to mention the way Rudy and others talked at the convention!! 911,911,911, Islamic terror, 911.....Iran is next on their agenda. No doubt about it.

cincybearcat

jimed14 wrote:

I meant on what you take home vs what you are taxed ... you wer eonly looking at the TAXED side ... thus, the glass half empty side.

'Cause that's the side up for debate...I've already earned it all, the only side that matters is how much you want to take from me.

I don't think we'll see eye to eye on this. You're ok with people paying a disproportionate amount of their earnings in taxes, I'm not. These people are also the ones buying more goods and services...again, taxed more, but it's their own choice at that point, so it's certainly better than income tax.

brandon10

cincybearcat wrote:

really?

Seems to me you are looking to empty my glass and fill yours, while I'd like to keep my glass filled with what I earned and allow you the same.

You can go fix the roads and build the bridges yourself then. While your at it, get yourself a raft and get yourself over to Iraq and fight for yourself as well.

mammasan

cincybearcat wrote:

You see, that's certainly a fair statement...though I disagree. I think John McCain is FAR more likely to reduce spending than Obama. I also don't think all that $ Obama wants to spend will necessarily improve the country.

I think that McCain may spend a little less than Obama but it will not be a significant amount. I highly doubt that McCain is going to come in and slash the budget a few billion dollars.

cincybearcat

jimed14 wrote:

I meant on what you take home vs what you are taxed ... you wer eonly looking at the TAXED side ... thus, the glass half empty side.

edit ... by the way ... I am MUCH close to the $500k side than the $50k side of this equation and I am MORE than willing to pitch in if everyone else will

I ain't loking for no hand out ... please don't assume that I am.

NO ONE should get a hand out ... people should work for welfare .... but we need to improve alot in this country ... and the rich folks can kick in a touch more than the poor.

Sorry if it came across as you specifically...I meant you in the argument, your side.

I agree...no one should get a handout, so let's fix that before we just start giving them more handouts.

I also agree, the rich can kick in WAY more than the poor...I'm just saying that they already do, in fact way too much more in my opinion.

cincybearcat

brandon10 wrote:

You can go fix the roads and build the bridges yourself then. While your at it, get yourself a raft and get yourself over to Iraq and fight for yourself as well.

Huh? C'mon, rise above that BS your trying to spew...you can do it.

jimed14

cincybearcat wrote:

Sorry if it came across as you specifically...I meant you in the argument, your side.

I agree...no one should get a handout, so let's fix that before we just start giving them more handouts.

I also agree, the rich can kick in WAY more than the poor...I'm just saying that they already do, in fact way too much more in my opinion.

agree to disagree .... well discussed.

cincybearcat

mammasan wrote:

I think that McCain may spend a little less than Obama but it will not be a significant amount. I highly doubt that McCain is going to come in and slash the budget a few billion dollars.

Probably right...and I do worry that McCain will waste $ on another war...thats' my biggest concern with him.

cincybearcat

jimed14 wrote:

agree to disagree .... well discussed.

Yep...thanks for the good discussion, even though it didn't change my opinion, it's always good to have good, open dialogue and keep thinking about it. Who knows, maybe 1 day we'll both be in agreement on this issue...which side will that be?

jimed14

cincybearcat wrote:

Yep...thanks for the good discussion, even though it didn't change my opinion, it's always good to have good, open dialogue and keep thinking about it. Who knows, maybe 1 day we'll both be in agreement on this issue...which side will that be?

let it be known, that if cincy is ever in the bay area for a PJ show .... I promise to REACH ACROSS THE AISLE ..... and buy him a beer!



I'm jimed14 and I approve this message.

mammasan

cincybearcat wrote:

Probably right...and I do worry that McCain will waste $ on another war...thats' my biggest concern with him.

Mine too. I also worry about our foreign policy too. I worry about that with Obama, not because of experience, but because he does come off a bit hawkish some times. But definitely worry more with McCain. It can all be tough talk to get the hawks in this country on board with their campaigns, which I think is what Obama is doing, but I don't want to take the chance of having 4 more years of cowboy diplomacy.

spyguy

cincybearcat wrote:

Probably right...and I do worry that McCain will waste $ on another war...thats' my biggest concern with him.

no way do I think mccain would wage another war. (unless we are attacked)

I worry he wont cut off Iraq in an ample enough time. they have a 90 billion surplus over there. its time they start spending it and not us

spyguy

mammasan wrote:

Mine too. I also worry about our foreign policy too. I worry about that with Obama, not because of experience, but because he does come off a bit hawkish some times. But definitely worry more with McCain. It can all be tough talk to get the hawks in this country on board with their campaigns, which I think is what Obama is doing, but I don't want to take the chance of having 4 more years of cowboy diplomacy.

right, I'm more worried about his foreign policy as well. tough talk needs to change, we can and should start leading by example instead of trying to have the biggest cock

brandon10

cincybearcat wrote:

Huh? C'mon, rise above that BS your trying to spew...you can do it.

Just proving a point.

You seem to have a problem paying more taxes because you assume it all goes to welfare and the poor. But you must realize that a good portion of that money goes to things we need. I don't want that money spent on wars I don't support and you don't want that money spent on welfare and social programs.....fair enough. But I still think the rich should pay a larger portion than the middle class.

If you can't see the problems with the Gop's foreign policy and the likelihood of them invading Iran, then you are truly blind. Or worse yet you support the idea.

McCain is not in control of his party. Just look at the Palin pick. You can't honestly tell me you think McCain had anything to do with that. He met her Once!

brandon10

cincybearcat wrote:

Probably right...and I do worry that McCain will waste $ on another war...thats' my biggest concern with him.

I'm glad you are concerned about this. It's a huge concern for me.

mammasan

spyguy wrote:

no way do I think mccain would wage another war. (unless we are attacked)

I worry he wont cut off Iraq in an ample enough time. they have a 90 billion surplus over there. its time they start spending it and not us

You never know. McCain is not as bad as the Neo-Cons but he is still a hawk.

cincybearcat

brandon10 wrote:

Just proving a point.

You seem to have a problem paying more taxes because you assume it all goes to welfare and the poor. But you must realize that a good portion of that money goes to things we need. I don't want that money spent on wars I don't support and you don't want that money spent on welfare and social programs.....fair enough. But I still think the rich should pay a larger portion than the middle class.

If you can't see the problems with the Gop's foreign policy and the likelihood of them invading Iran, then you are truly blind. Or worse yet you support the idea.

McCain is not in control of his party. Just look at the Palin pick. You can't honestly tell me you think McCain had anything to do with that. He met her Once!

Hey, I'm not in the top 5% buddy.

Anyhow, I understand the need for some taxes...I just happen to think a flat tax or close to it is fair enough...as in the example, paying 10X more taxes when you make 10X more $...seems right to me.

brandon10

cincybearcat wrote:

Hey, I'm not in the top 5% buddy.

Anyhow, I understand the need for some taxes...I just happen to think a flat tax or close to it is fair enough...as in the example, paying 10X more taxes when you make 10X more $...seems right to me.

Fair enough. I just am strongly against tax breaks for large corporations. Under this administration not inly do they not pay more taxes, they get tax breaks!!!!!!!