During John McCain's speech he said..
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"I Hate War"
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he did? what does that even mean?
I thought he said "white noise and static"?
he meant the song by Edwin Starr.
Yeah, that's what I thought he said too.
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yup, thats what I remember. I also thought he handled it very well.
anyway the point of my thread is to point out the McCain is not PRO WAR, or hoping for war, or going to go to war no matter what, or any of the closed minded opinions/assumptions people have.
no one likes war. its just understood by some that national security is important. I think Obama and McCain both recognize that.
He said "ground noise and static", I believe.
There ya go, yep, I think that's right...my bad.
does that matter, the demograts will say differently. "drilling for fear, makes teh job simple"
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
However, despite his hatred of war, he was a fierce supporter of a war fought under false pretenses that has left over 4,000 American soldiers dead. Despite how much I believe he hates war, he hasn't given us much of a sign that he would've done anything differently in 2003 than Bush.
the Iraq war is going to almost become a non-issue IMO. the time table is already being written out.
with Obama troops might be out a few months faster but thats it. troops are going to come home regardless of who is the next president and at a similar pace.
I had no problem with his speech. I felt like he was talking to me and obama was talking at me. mccain came across as much more real. obama had the rockstar attitude in the big football stadium, very tacky IMO.
Really. Very interesting. Like when he said "...and I will stop sending money to countries that don't like us very much." ?
Or maybe when he said we will DRILL DRILL DRILL even though the benefits of drilling won't show up for about 30 years?
Or maybe when he brought his wife up there and she said "hold me" but he didn't?
Hilarious.
It's a non-issue because the public has the attention span of a 3 yr old. Yes the troops will be home and that is beyond fantastic but there is still the issue of the billions of dollars spent on this war. The blatant fiscal raping of the American people by contractors over there that was basically ignored by the government needs to be addressed. The cover-ups and lies perpetrated by this administration needs to be addressed. The fact that Congress basically shit all over the Constitution by handing it powers over to the executive branch needs to addressed. There is still a lot that has to be discussed about this war but since both parties are basically chin deep in this shit these issues will just fade away.
something wrong with this statement?
I really dont see the downside to drilling. that said, I dont see much upside either so its kinda a non-issue. and your 30 estimate is ridiculous.
I'm not saying that Obama's speech was mind blowing by any stretch but MCain came off stiff and just lacked energy. His style of speaking is just very rigid, his words didn't flow. the speech itself may have been more down to earth than Obama's but the delivery killed it. And maybe you felt like he was speaking to you is because through out the whole speech he never looked away from the camera.
such is life. I'm sure there will be inquiries galore as time goes on. in the meantime we have 2 choices for president and Iraq really wont play much of a role.
I agree. Which is utterly ridiculous, but I agree. 4,000 American soldiers dead and the biggest foreign policy disaster in decades on the part of an American administration. And John McCain was one of its' biggest supporters. That alone in my mind should disqualify him from the office; he failed miserably at the most solemn duty a President has; as Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces, to not send soldiers into battle needlessly. But it's definetely going to be a"what's happened lately" scenario, and voters are going to forget that 4,000 soldiers aren't ever coming home. It boggles my mind, but there it is.
As I said it will not be an issue because the public is distracted by the next shiny object placed in front of them.
please dont throw around your "I'm better then everyone else" attitude. Iraq will become a non issue because of improving conditions. troops will start to come home, iraq will take control of their own country, and thats that.
First let me just say you don't know so don't go judging me.
Second disprove what I said. How many times has this administration, and others, done some extremely shaddy shit only to have it swept under the rug and the public just moves on to the next headline. If you can't have a discussion like an adult about then that's your fucking problem, but don't stand there judging me like some asshole. I have never once attacked you or even remotely judged you so grow the fuck up or go play somewhere else.
Are really this naive?
are you really this unable to debate?
You don't think someone's initial judgment to go to war even when the war was fought under false pretenses, regardless of the current state of the country, should be considered and called into question when he may become the next President of the United States? It's probably the most important decision a President could ever make.
Then why is Biden on the ticket?
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calm the fuck down guy. dont dish out shit if you cant take it.
I'm not judging you. I'm basing my comment on yours. there are many people around here with the holier than now attitude. calling all Americans stupid, sheep, being distracted by shiny meddles, etc.
I'm not saying shit doesnt get swept under the rug. over time it does. but before it does there are many whos voices are heard, congressional hearings, investigations, firings, charges, consequences.
Good point. The Democrats are not innocent bystanders in this mess. They are just as responsible as the Republicans when it comes to Iraq. Unless they voted No on the war resolution they are in the same boat as Bush & Co. in my opinion.
absolutely I do. but hell, 2003 was a long time ago, false information was being tossed around as fact.. bush had the support of 99% of congress?
I believe mccain supported the war more after the fact then before it. which is ok with me.