During John McCain's speech he said..

spyguy

brandon10 wrote:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

So McBush is going is stop giving tax exemptions to corporations and tax the rich at a higher level?

no, and thats why he might get my vote.

brandon10 wrote:

Get your head out of your ass. Your "maverick" talking points aren't fooling anyone, except the retards that fuck their kin in that party that wants to go to war with anyone with brown skin.

whenever you'd like to debate, I'll be here. k?

spyguy

sweetpotato wrote:

you're either naive or incredibly gullible. pick one, and get back to me.

brandon10 wrote:

Get your head out of your ass.

_outlaw wrote:

I do you know you're full of shit

so does anyone (above the age of 18) have anything intelligent to say? or is it personal insults day around here?

brandon10

spyguy wrote:

I'm not going to debate with an 18 year kid with no sense of history outside of Israel and palastine. anything you dont understand you immediately resort to personal attacks like this post of yours.

I'm in my 30's and agree with him 100%

He's got a great head on his shoulders. Way to go kid. I was too busy drinking and chasing girls when I was 18.

jimed14

spyguy wrote:

I'm not going to debate with an 18 year kid with no sense of history outside of Israel and palastine. anything you dont understand you immediately resort to personal attacks like this post of yours.

see, you have a sense of history ... but that historical McCain is NOT the same McCain that is running now.

He was against drilling in ANWR and is now for it.

He was a maverick, but has now fallen in line with the Republican mantra ... only for the sake of getting nominated ...

now that he is nominated, he's trying to 'change' again, back to the McCain of old, to get swing voters.

He got the nomination, and got Palin for the sole purpose of keeping the base voters on his side and to try and swing some Hillary votes.

And now his message is the the 'change' McCain again

This whole circus was completely politcial move. and hopefully, people will see through it in the next 60 days.

cincybearcat

brandon10 wrote:

I'm in my 30's and agree with him 100%

He's got a great head on his shoulders. Way to go kid. I was too busy drinking and chasing girls when I was 18.

Let's not get carried away.

He needs a drink AND a girfriend if he doesn't already have both.

mammasan

spyguy wrote:

so does anyone (above the age of 18) have anything intelligent to say? or is it personal insults day around here?

You have a point about the personal insults, completely unnecessary, but you are not one to talk.

Do any of you guys leveling personal insults against spyguy think that you are making a valid point by telling him to get his head out of his ass, etc... because you aren't. It is absolutely unnecessary. I'm assuming that we are all adults so why don't we try to act like adults and refrain from such childish antics.

brandon10

spyguy wrote:

no, and thats why he might get my vote.




whenever you'd like to debate, I'll be here. k?

It's pointless to debate with you when you can't realize that the republicans have completely fucked our economy.

Mr. Maverick used to be against the Bush tax cuts when he had some balls. But he has completely fallen into line with the failures of this administration.

The fact that you would even considering voting for McCain is a joke to me. So no need to debate with me. I guess I'm just an elitist asshole. But I'd rather be an elitist asshole than an inbred racist hick. Not saying that you are. Just sayin.

spyguy

mammasan wrote:

You have a point about the personal insults, completely unnecessary, but you are not one to talk.

I apologized for what you took as a personal insult. I was attacking the specific comment. you come across as a very rational intelligent guy. I just get annoyed when peeps what to play all Americans as deaf dumb and blind. although I will admit that many are.

cincybearcat

_outlaw wrote:

so his foreign policy is different?
drilling in ANWR is different?
abortion stance different?
gay marriage different?
civil liberties different?
domestic policy different?

mind telling me how?
I mean, he DID vote on like 95% of Bush's policies...

1) I believe it would be different. I think John McCain would certainly use diplomacy more and I also think that if it came down to military action, he would use it more wisely. I wonder just how quick he would use military action though.

2) I think we should drill on American soil and off-shore as part of a comprehensive plan.

3) I think he's right on abortion, so who cares if it's different. BUt, if W couldn;t change abortion, do you really think any president ever could? At the most, Roe v. Wade would be overturned and left up to the states...the people.

4) He's wrong on gay marriage, but then again, so is Obama.

5) Civil Liberties? I'm going to guess that no matter what I say it won;t matter on this one so let's just pass.

6) Domestic Policy - I believe it would be different...less spending. W was part democrat with all that spending.

Just my thoughts. In reality, it's a good question whether McCain would bring the change even I'd like to see. I don;t want to be duped into voting for him only to be disappointed and miss an opportunity for a semi-outsider (Obama) to make change. BUt then again, it's the same question with Obama...hence my dilema.

spyguy

brandon10 wrote:

It's pointless to debate with you when you can't realize that the republicans have completely fucked our economy.

Mr. Maverick used to be against the Bush tax cuts when he had some balls. But he has completely fallen into line with the failures of this administration.

tax cuts are actually a great thing for the economy. its the over spending of bush that fucked us. something mccain wants to stop.

brandon10 wrote:

The fact that you would even considering voting for McCain is a joke to me. So no need to debate with me. I guess I'm just an elitist asshole. But I'd rather be an elitist asshole than an inbred racist hick. Not saying that you are. Just sayin.

you say you are in your 30s? I would never had guessed with comments like these. I really hope you get banned for shit like this.

cincybearcat

spyguy wrote:

I just get annoyed when peeps what to play all Americans as deaf dumb and blind. although I will admit that many are.

Some, not many.

spyguy

cincybearcat wrote:

Some, not many.

I stand corrected.

jimed14

spyguy wrote:

tax cuts are actually a great thing for the economy. its the over spending of bush that fucked us. something mccain wants to stop.

You know ... Reagan tried the tax cuts his first year in office .... then proceeded to raise taxes pretty much every year for the rest of his presidency to get us out of the enormous deficit he put us in.

Remember "Read My Lips" Bush 41? Guess what ... he had to raise taxes to get the country back to fiscal stability.

It wasn't until Clinton took office that this country finally saw a budget surplus. One which current Bush has comepletely fucked away.

You are right ... the biggest part of the problem is the spending ... WAR spending. 10-12 Billion a month!

edit ... Tax Cuts ARE a great thing for the country and the economy ... when it's NOT tax cuts for the extremely rich folks just getting richer! Tax cuts for 95% of the public .... like Obama is proposing, THAT will be good for us.

brandon10

spyguy wrote:

tax cuts are actually a great thing for the economy. its the over spending of bush that fucked us. something mccain wants to stop.




you say you are in your 30s? I would never had guessed with comments like these. I really hope you get banned for shit like this.

You hope I get banned?! I made a point of saying I wasn't referring to you.

I just love how if we are thoughtful and care about issues we are referred to as elitist. So I was saying that I would rather be elitist than ill informed. And I'm pretty sure racist hicks are ill informed.

cincybearcat

jimed14 wrote:

You know ... Reagan tried the tax cuts his first year in office .... then proceeded to raise taxes pretty much every year for the rest of his presidency to get us out of the enormous deficit he put us in.

Remember "Read My Lips" Bush 41? Guess what ... he had to raise taxes to get the country back to fiscal stability.

It wasn't until Clinton took office that this country finally saw a budget surplus. One which current Bush has comepletely fucked away.

You are right ... the biggest part of the problem is the spending ... WAR spending. 10-12 Billion a month!

Are you willing to accept that Congress and the President can't be held in check with spending so we always need to steal more $ from the American taxpayers in order to make up for the inefficient use of the other $ that was already stolen from the taxpayer? How much is enough?

I know Obama is going to raise taxes and spending...it's at least admirable for Obama to admit that he needs $ to pay for all of these government services, etc. It's irresponsible of him to pretend like it won't effect 95% of the country. In fact, he's full of shit.

McCain will keep taxes low...the question on him, will he curtail spending, or will he follow suit. Who knows? And should we take it on faith and hope he didn't lie? Good question considering the last batch of idiots the Repubplican party has given us. Once they got power, instead of using it and following their ideals and what got them there...they did whatever necessary to keep power. That's a very bad thing and they have lost the trust of the AMerican people...can McCain get that trust back?

cincybearcat

brandon10 wrote:

You hope I get banned?! I made a point of saying I wasn't referring to you.

I just love how if we are thoughtful and care about issues we are referred to as elitist. So I was saying that I would rather be elitist than ill informed. And I'm pretty sure racist hicks are ill informed.

Well, you do a good job of coming off like you think you're elitist, so nice work!

brandon10

jimed14 wrote:

You know ... Reagan tried the tax cuts his first year in office .... then proceeded to raise taxes pretty much every year for the rest of his presidency to get us out of the enormous deficit he put us in.

Remember "Read My Lips" Bush 41? Guess what ... he had to raise taxes to get the country back to fiscal stability.

It wasn't until Clinton took office that this country finally saw a budget surplus. One which current Bush has comepletely fucked away.

You are right ... the biggest part of the problem is the spending ... WAR spending. 10-12 Billion a month!

edit ... Tax Cuts ARE a great thing for the country and the economy ... when it's NOT tax cuts for the extremely rich folks just getting richer! Tax cuts for 95% of the public .... like Obama is proposing, THAT will be good for us.

Great post

Also to touch on this. Obama want's tax cuts for the middle class. He wants to tax the rich at a higher level. I don't understand why republicans don't want to give this a shot? To me the republicans continue to be a party for the rich only.

cincybearcat

brandon10 wrote:

Great post

Also to touch on this. Obama want's tax cuts for the middle class. He wants to tax the rich at a higher level. I don't understand why republicans don't want to give this a shot? To me the republicans continue to be a party for the rich only.

Because republicans understand that taxing the "Rich" means taxing businesses...even small businesses. You think they can just absorb that? Sure the mega-companies could, but they won't if they want to still appeal to their stocholders...so hwo to they compensate...oh, that's right, less hiring...hirer priced goods...pass the costs along. It stagnates the economy.

It's not about the rich, it's about everyone, not just the poor.

mammasan

Spyguy water under the bridge as they say. I do have to partially agree with you on McCain. While he may have one of the least partisan senators in Congress, that John McCain is no more. I have a nice example for you. When a bill was introduced in the senate to give immunity to telecom companies for their participation in the Bush Administrations warrentless wiretapping program, McCain said hell no. He stated that these companies knowingly violated the constitution and the laws of this country and should not receive immunity for their willing participation. That was the Maverick, going against party lines for what he believed was the right decision. Fast forward a few months, and may I say slightly over $1 million in donations to McCain campaign from said telecom companies and their CEOs, at this point McCain has the nomination pretty much in the bag and you would have thought that McCain had dual personalities because now his stance was that these companies where heros for their willing participation and that they should be commended for their patriotism. He fell right along with the rest of the rank and file.

Now I'm not going to shit you, I have no love for the Republican party. I feel that they sold out their core beliefs to the Christian Right for campaign contributions. I have no love for the Democrats but for the most part they have always retained most of their core beliefs and while I may not agree with them they are pretty consistant. Now McCain was always a republican I could respect, didn't necessarily agree with him all the time, but I could respect him because he truly did what he felt was best for the country, not his party. So it definitely saddens me to see a man who stuck to his guns and did what he thought was best turn into such a GOP bitch. Here was a man who has good relations with the Democrats, someone who if he did win the presidency could have help bridge the hyper-partisan divide in Congress and the country over-all, but he decided to cozy up with the part of the Republican party that is tearing this country apart. Don't get me wrong the far left is just as guilty as the far right. So while he may have been this maverick senator who bucked the system in order to get done what was needed, he has since sold his soul.

brandon10

cincybearcat wrote:

Are you willing to accept that Congress and the President can't be held in check with spending so we always need to steal more $ from the American taxpayers in order to make up for the inefficient use of the other $ that was already stolen from the taxpayer? How much is enough?

I know Obama is going to raise taxes and spending...it's at least admirable for Obama to admit that he needs $ to pay for all of these government services, etc. It's irresponsible of him to pretend like it won't effect 95% of the country. In fact, he's full of shit.

McCain will keep taxes low...the question on him, will he curtail spending, or will he follow suit. Who knows? And should we take it on faith and hope he didn't lie? Good question considering the last batch of idiots the Repubplican party has given us. Once they got power, instead of using it and following their ideals and what got them there...they did whatever necessary to keep power. That's a very bad thing and they have lost the trust of the AMerican people...can McCain get that trust back?

If there was a place I would want the government to spend my money, it would be on education, health care, and infrastructure. Not bullshit wars at 10 billion dollars a month and 4000 lives!