Saudi Textbooks still teaching hate

canadajammer

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/world/story.html?id=662057


Pretty shocking considering its 2008.

blackredyellow

with friends like these...

SammyK14

this is really sad...ensures another generation of bin ladens and al-zarqawi's is coming :(

canadajammer

It ensures that a big enough minority (small group of people but large enough to do damage) will take the lies and hate being taught in school and use it to harm others.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

SammyK14 wrote:

this is really sad...ensures another generation of bin ladens and al-zarqawi's is coming :(

If it's anything like Bin Laden the Bush family will have to setup family business deals, make dinner friends with, and establish deep political, and intelligence, ties beforehand.

should be some time to go yet...

NMyTree

I remember talking about the Saudi's a few years ago and people were outraged that I dare make such statements about our "friends...our allies".

Then they demanded I provide links to support my claims:D:D


I love it. Two revelations .....in two days; that support what I have been saying all along. Hate to say it, but I told you so.


Let the demands for links.......continue

Strangest Tribe

what do our school books still say about the American Indians...????

How's the Little Big Horn being spun these days?

NMyTree

Strangest Tribe wrote:

what do our school books still say about the American Indians...????

How's the Little Big Horn being spun these days?

Absolutely!!

And I've gone off on that crap, too.

When I was in elementry school, they thought us bullshit history. You know, the history white guys creatively conjured up to suit their agenda.

But even then I knew it was bullshit.

American "history" is littered with nonsense, manipulation and carnival slight of hand.

MrBrian

Colorsblending9 wrote:

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/world/story.html?id=662057


Pretty shocking considering its 2008.

And American kids are taught that arabs/muslims are dogs and terrorists. and that's without text books. = shocking I guess.

NMyTree

MrBrian wrote:

And American kids are taught that arabs/muslims are dogs and terrorists. and that's without text books. = shocking I guess.

...and "Sandniggers":rolleyes:

I can't believe that every once in a while I'll be out in public...having dinner...or a movie...or checking out a band; and I hear some cement head refer to all Arabs/Muslims as ...."Sandniggers".


Really sickening.

canadajammer

Strangest Tribe wrote:

what do our school books still say about the American Indians...????

How's the Little Big Horn being spun these days?

There's a difference between historical bias published in textbooks and blatant attempts to spread hate/fear in the name of a religion or cause.

callen

SammyK14 wrote:

this is really sad...ensures another generation of bin ladens and al-zarqawi's is coming :(

The killing of 10's of thousands of Muslims has a bigger impact on recruitment than any publication could ever produce.

callen

Colorsblending9 wrote:

There's a difference between historical bias published in textbooks and blatant attempts to spread hate/fear in the name of a religion or cause.

American history books and the way they convey history is a "cause". There is also hate in those textbooks...."Savage Indians, Scalping Settlers"
So no different.

Plus what happened to the American Indians was nothing short of genocide. Wont' see that in little Johnnies text book...

fuck

So Colorsblending9:

Is the only thing you contribute to the Moving Train topics that try to vilify Arabs?

jeffbr

I wonder if other posters are here soley to villify the US? Threads which have nothing to do with the US are often twisted to become so.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

I hope the Arab occupation on US soil ends soon...

fuck

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I hope the Arab occupation on US soil ends soon...

haha

dg1979us

Wahhabism was started before a US occupation in Arab lands. It is brainwashing and a way for the Saudi elites to keep control of their population.

MrBrian

jeffbr wrote:

I wonder if other posters are here soley to villify the US? Threads which have nothing to do with the US are often twisted to become so.

Nothing to twist about the US giving billions to the Saudis and selling weapons and jets to them and help uphold that corrupt government.

The amount of Conflicts in the world that has a "Made in America" sticker on it may shock some....and the least shocking thing? The sticker is made in China.

NMyTree

I think it's unanimous.

Both the US/Christians and Saudis/Muslims are full of shit and have been guilty of the equally hateful, deceiving practices. Neither is innocent. Both have and do play the same hateful game.

This like arguing which one is more evil and vicious, the rapist murderer who raped and murdered three women, or the pedophile who raped and murdered three children.

hate is hate.

It's no less hateful or acceptable when perpetratedby Muslims or perpetrated by Christians.

dg1979us

MrBrian wrote:

Nothing to twist about the US giving billions to the Saudis and selling weapons and jets to them and help uphold that corrupt government.

The amount of Conflicts in the world that has a "Made in America" sticker on it may shock some....and the least shocking thing? The sticker is made in China.

Yes, The Saudi elites us Wahhabism to keep their population in check. The US elites have an interest in the Saudi elites staying in power.

jeffbr

NMyTree wrote:

I think it's unanimous.

Both the US/Christians and Saudis/Muslims are full of shit and have been guilty of the equally hateful, deceiving practices. Neither is innocent. Both have and do play the same hateful game.

This like arguing which one is more evil and vicious, the rapist murderer who raped and murdered three women, or the pedophile who raped and murdered three children.

hate is hate.

It's no less hateful or acceptable when perpetratedby Muslims or perpetrated by Christians.

Totally agree. No argument from me. I wasn't suggesting the US is innocent of anything. I just find it silly that the same few posters around here love to turn non-US themed threads into threads about the US. Maybe it is penis envy, or maybe it is their own deep-seated hate, but I thought I'd point it out for their benefit so that they could perhaps better deal with their issue.

dg1979us

NMyTree wrote:

I think it's unanimous.

Both the US/Christians and Saudis/Muslims are full of shit and have been guilty of the equally hateful, deceiving practices. Neither is innocent. Both have and do play the same hateful game.

This like arguing which one is more evil and vicious, the rapist murderer who raped and murdered three women, or the pedophile who raped and murdered three children.

hate is hate.

It's no less hateful or acceptable when perpetratedby Muslims or perpetrated by Christians.

I disagree with that. Comparing Christianity in the US to Islam in Saudi Arabia isnt a close comparison at all. You arent forced to worship anything in this country, and you arent bound to ridiculous other worldy laws that you can literally be punished for on this planet. The US is guilty of greed, not religious extremism. I am by no means saying there havent been US Christians who have done terrible things, but it isnt endorsed by their religion, especially not in modern times. At the start of the country you can certainly make that argument, but in todays world it isnt close to the same.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

*note to self*...disagreeing with a country's policies that has a corrupt government and has started illegal wars based on lies is really deep either seeded miserable hate or penis envy

ROTFLMAOBBQ!

jeffbr

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

*note to self*...disagreeing with a country's policies that has a corrupt government and has started illegal wars based on lies is really deep either seeded miserable hate or penis envy

ROTFLMAOBBQ!

Don't get a hernia laughing so hard (while eating bbq? ). And your first sentence above explains a lot in terms of the disconnects you seem to have with many posters, and your inability to debate. Your conclusions did not follow from my post. I didn't say don't question. I didn't say US is innocent. I simply wondered why threads that had nothing whatsoever to do with the US invariably get steered toward being about the US by the same handful of posters. That you thought I was referring to you is telling, since I certainly didn't mention names.

fuck

jeffbr wrote:

Don't get a hernia laughing so hard (while eating bbq? ). And your first sentence above explains a lot in terms of the disconnects you seem to have with many posters, and your inability to debate. Your conclusions did not follow from my post. I didn't say don't question. I didn't say US is innocent. I simply wondered why threads that had nothing whatsoever to do with the US invariably get steered toward being about the US by the same handful of posters. That you thought I was referring to you is telling, since I certainly didn't mention names.

Just because you didn't mention names doesn't mean anything. It's obvious who people like you usually target when you bring up points like that.

Secondly, bringing up the US is definitely relevant because:
1) someone mentioned that THIS causes more "terrorism," when in reality, US interference in the region plays a major role.
2) pointing out people's hypocrisy when referring to propaganda in the Middle East, as if it doesn't exist everywhere else, especially in the US.

canadajammer

So _outlaw,


I posted an article about how Saudi Textbooks are filled with hate/lies/and a extremist and religious based curriculum.

If anything, I started this thread to vilify the Saudi government, not 'Arabs.'

But go ahead, accuse me of anything you want, I don't really care.

I think this type of education is the worst thing you can possibly expose to children.

Outlaw, do you agree with the ideas and claims being put into the Saudi textbook?

fuck

dg1979us wrote:

I disagree with that. Comparing Christianity in the US to Islam in Saudi Arabia isnt a close comparison at all. You arent forced to worship anything in this country, and you arent bound to ridiculous other worldy laws that you can literally be punished for on this planet. The US is guilty of greed, not religious extremism. I am by no means saying there havent been US Christians who have done terrible things, but it isnt endorsed by their religion, especially not in modern times. At the start of the country you can certainly make that argument, but in todays world it isnt close to the same.

You aren't forced to worship anything in Saudi Arabia either. I have many Christian friends living there.
And just because their government is a religious government does not make it wrong. Referring to their laws as "other worldly laws" is just insulting to Muslims in general.

And saying that the "terrible things" done by Muslims is endorsed by religion is ALSO an insult to all Muslims because that is false. The "terrible things" that are shown on TV done by Muslims (although the ratio of things done by Muslims is show on TV at a much greater scale than Christians) is NOT endorsed by their religion. "Religious extremists" or whatever fucking technical term you want to use are the ones who "endorse" these "terrible things."

Obviously it's not the SAME as US, but it's certainly comparable.

canadajammer

By the way, I never meant this thread to be about the USA and the conflict between the middle east and the West.

I found an article that I thought was disturbing so I posted it on this board to see how people felt about this kind of education.


I don't care what your politics are in terms of the 'war on terror,' this education is practically child abuse and brainwashing.

Maybe more effort should be put forth by the Saudi government (or whoever writes the curriculum) to teach Math, Science, Arts, etc.

NMyTree

dg1979us wrote:

I disagree with that. Comparing Christianity in the US to Islam in Saudi Arabia isnt a close comparison at all. You arent forced to worship anything in this country, and you arent bound to ridiculous other worldy laws that you can literally be punished for on this planet. The US is guilty of greed, not religious extremism. I am by no means saying there havent been US Christians who have done terrible things, but it isnt endorsed by their religion, especially not in modern times. At the start of the country you can certainly make that argument, but in todays world it isnt close to the same.

I was keeping in context with what was posted in this thread and someone did mention the genocide of native americans.

And while I'm certainly aware there are some differences, variables and stipulations; both Christians and Muslims have a history seeped in violence, oppression, disrespect of other cultures/races/religions. A long hateful, vicious history at that.

As well as both being the victims of all that. The pendulum does swing in cycles.

LeilaMoonTurtle

are USA textbooks still teaching that Columbus discovered america? that the natives in the americas were better off after colonization? That Edison is the be all of electricity?

Colorsblending9 wrote:

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/world/story.html?id=662057


Pretty shocking considering its 2008.