Theres a big difference in many peoples minds between funding the war initially and openly having the intention to continue it, perhaps indefinitely and "bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran". Polls may not definitively predict anything, but they're certainly a way of telling where things are more likely to go.
Then how is it that both States went to Clinton...the candidate who voted to fund the war? Don't kid yourself. And since when are we relying on polls anymore? Hasn't this primary taught anyone anything about the polls. People tell polsters one thing, and do something completely different in the booth.
Theres a big difference in many peoples minds between funding the war initially and openly having the intention to continue it, perhaps indefinitely and "bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran". Polls may not definitively predict anything, but they're certainly a way of telling where things are more likely to go.
That sounds like a Clinton v. McCain argument. I don't know anyone who wants to continue the war. If your referring to McCain I would have to hear more about his intentions. At least I appreciate the guys honesty when he says we cannot leave. We can't. Too much at stake. I do like the fact that he seems to now be trying to put some distance between himself and George W.
That sounds like a Clinton v. McCain argument. I don't know anyone who wants to continue the war. If your referring to McCain I would have to hear more about his intentions. At least I appreciate the guys honesty when he says we cannot leave. We can't. Too much at stake. I do like the fact that he seems to now be trying to put some distance between himself and George W.
do any of the 3 corporate candidates plan on leaving iraq or staying?
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Back in January we were hearing a lot from Obama on wanting to go into Afghanistan. I haven't heard much of that lately. Nothing was ever really outlined on it, but right off hand, I wasn't sure I liked the idea if we were going to continue fighting on in Iraq. How many wars do we need at the same time? Apparently, Iran looks like a good possible target to the Bushies.
And another thing, Latinos may have preferred Obama over Clinton, but theres little to no evidence that they'll support McCain over Obama. Besides, Obama Obama continues to improve his standing in the Latino community as the days go by.
I'm not so sure. I live in a state filled with Latinos. I'm one myself. An oddball, for sure. But still. With Bush, I noticed a lot of Latinos supporting him based on their perception that he was a pro-religion/religious kind of guy. I don't they've changed a huge lot since the last election. If Obama can be made to seem like he disparages people clinging to their religion--which he's made it very easy to do--McCain could sweep up fairly easily based on that alone. Many Latinos did not vote for Bush based on what would economically benefit them, that's for sure. They should have been in Kerry's pocket, but instead they were in Bush's. Given that McCain's and Obama's immigration policies do not currently appear to be strikingly dissimilar, edge to McCain on the Latino vote, when coupled with the religious aspect.
First of all this is a very old thread. Pennsylvania is old news. Did i say Clinton was going to win? No. Never said it. Never said it was not a long shot. But I am tired of all the Obamites on here demanding that she roll over because it's more convenient for them. The reality is you still have to win and if it's not convenient for the party then too fucking bad. That's what you get when you stab people in the back as many people did to the Clintons. This whole campaign is just another exercise in the Democrats shooting themselves in the foot by nominating the wrong person.....again. Look i was never a Clinton lover myself. I actually worked on another Democrats campaign in 1992. But.....he did manage to deliver the White House to the Democrats twice and think that deserves a little if not alot of loyalty. So...fuck em. On to the Convention. Bring your calculators.
I agree with you here. As much as I want Obama to win, I have no problem with Hillary staying in until June. What I do have a problem with is her giving the GOP their talking points for a general election campaign against Barack Obama.
do any of the 3 corporate candidates plan on leaving iraq or staying?
Even Obama now won't concede total withdrawel. Can't happen. McCain may not be saying what some of us want to hear but he speaks the truth. Hillary speaks half truths and Obama just flat out lies. So pick your poison.
I'm not so sure. I live in a state filled with Latinos. I'm one myself. An oddball, for sure. But still. With Bush, I noticed a lot of Latinos supporting him based on their perception that he was a pro-religion/religious kind of guy. I don't they've changed a huge lot since the last election. If Obama can be made to seem like he disparages people clinging to their religion--which he's made it very easy to do--McCain could sweep up fairly easily based on that alone. Many Latinos did not vote for Bush based on what would economically benefit them, that's for sure. They should have been in Kerry's pocket, but instead they were in Bush's. Given that McCain's and Obama's immigration policies do not currently appear to be strikingly dissimilar, edge to McCain on the Latino vote, when coupled with the religious aspect.
Let's not forget the geographic issue as well. McCain is an Arizonan. His geographic proximity to California and the Southwest in general will help him with the Latino vote as well. Good insight.
I agree with you here. As much as I want Obama to win, I have no problem with Hillary staying in until June. What I do have a problem with is her giving the GOP their talking points for a general election campaign against Barack Obama.
You don't think the GOP had this ammunition a long time ago? Just Wikipedia Obama and all of the Wright history was there long before it became a public issue. GOP was going to hit him anyways. At least now he has time to recover. But based on Reverend Wright's recent comments it doesn't look like Obama has the foresight to put serious distance between himself and this guy. Another sign of his naivety.
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That sounds like a Clinton v. McCain argument. I don't know anyone who wants to continue the war. If your referring to McCain I would have to hear more about his intentions. At least I appreciate the guys honesty when he says we cannot leave. We can't. Too much at stake. I do like the fact that he seems to now be trying to put some distance between himself and George W.
do any of the 3 corporate candidates plan on leaving iraq or staying?
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
I'm not so sure. I live in a state filled with Latinos. I'm one myself. An oddball, for sure. But still. With Bush, I noticed a lot of Latinos supporting him based on their perception that he was a pro-religion/religious kind of guy. I don't they've changed a huge lot since the last election. If Obama can be made to seem like he disparages people clinging to their religion--which he's made it very easy to do--McCain could sweep up fairly easily based on that alone. Many Latinos did not vote for Bush based on what would economically benefit them, that's for sure. They should have been in Kerry's pocket, but instead they were in Bush's. Given that McCain's and Obama's immigration policies do not currently appear to be strikingly dissimilar, edge to McCain on the Latino vote, when coupled with the religious aspect.
I agree with you here. As much as I want Obama to win, I have no problem with Hillary staying in until June. What I do have a problem with is her giving the GOP their talking points for a general election campaign against Barack Obama.
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
Even Obama now won't concede total withdrawel. Can't happen. McCain may not be saying what some of us want to hear but he speaks the truth. Hillary speaks half truths and Obama just flat out lies. So pick your poison.
Let's not forget the geographic issue as well. McCain is an Arizonan. His geographic proximity to California and the Southwest in general will help him with the Latino vote as well. Good insight.
You don't think the GOP had this ammunition a long time ago? Just Wikipedia Obama and all of the Wright history was there long before it became a public issue. GOP was going to hit him anyways. At least now he has time to recover. But based on Reverend Wright's recent comments it doesn't look like Obama has the foresight to put serious distance between himself and this guy. Another sign of his naivety.
http://faculty.washington.edu/mbarreto/papers/2004vote.pdf