I understand what you are saying, and as I said, I agree.
Integrity refers to one's state of wholeness, and of being undivided. Once we shut out our emotions, we compromise who we are and become divided...we tune out our wholeness. I use the term integrity regarding when someone shuts down their emotions for money.
Yes, I realized I had looked at the word in the wrong light after I wrote that, but I think perhaps the male example still gives people the idea of how a person's emotions could possibly be damaged from such an occupation.
Has anyone read Tracy Lord's book, which details the sexual assault she experienced as a child, and the other painful issues that brought her to the porn industry as an underaged girl? Of her then drug abuse as an adult porn star, and relationships with abusive men? All that is a little less "sexy" to acknowledge....
Do you not think... as Sweet Emotion has pointed out... given her set of coping skills and strength of character etc... and then given the fact that she was sexually abused as a child and the other painful issues she was dealing with as a young woman... she would probably not have ended up abusing drugs and having relationships with abusive men whether she got into porn or not?
She was able to use her sexuality to make money. To make money off men... the very people that harmed her. Now she is wealthy and can afford all the therapy in the world to exorcise her demons... no?
It's all well and good to say she is being empowered, but I think it must kill part of her. How can the money replace her ability to bond in a meaningful way?
I agree that for MANY women it does "kill part of her."
But i also think a lot of things do.. we are not outlawing BAD MARRIAGES are we?
Women who choose to stay in bad marriages and have sex... for years on end... with men they can't stand... frequently with men they hate...
That kills a little piece of these women every day as well....
I agree that for MANY women it does "kill part of her."
But i also think a lot of things do.. we are not outlawing BAD MARRIAGES are we?
Women who choose to stay in bad marriages and have sex... for years on end... with men they can't stand... frequently with men they hate...
That kills a little piece of these women every day as well....
I'm not saying THIS is"right" either...
just saying....
I don't think the amount of sex a woman would have in a bad marriage could even remotely compare to the volume of sex she'd be required to have as a prostitute.
There was a scandal reported recently about a politician and a call girl and it came out that she'd have hundreds of appointments in a month. That's between three and four times a day. She was an expensive whore so she probably had fewer clients than a cheap prostitute. Think of those numbers. Three to four men who you might find repulsive EVERYDAY.
:eek:
It's horrible to think of!
The korean women who were used as "comfort women" during the war sometimes had as many as SIXTY men in a day. Can you imagine that?
I don't think a bad marriage is on the same scale of torture.
I don't think the amount of sex a woman would have in a bad marriage could even remotely compare to the volume of sex she'd be required to have as a prostitute.
There was a scandal reported recently about a politician and a call girl and it came out that she'd have hundreds of appointments in a month. That's between three and four times a day. She was an expensive whore so she probably had fewer clients than a cheap prostitute. Think of those numbers. Three to four men who you might find repulsive EVERYDAY.
:eek:
It's horrible to think of!
The korean women who were used as "comfort women" during the war sometimes had as many as SIXTY men in a day. Can you imagine that?
I don't think a bad marriage is on the same scale of torture.
OK...so how much does an expensive prostitute make?
Does she NEED to have so many calls a month or does she choose to because she is making money hand over fist?
Even if an expensive prostitiute only made $200 per john... x 5 per week... tax free (because you can't pay taxes on that which is not legal....)
She's bringing home $1000/week for presumably ten hours of "work." No?
Anything after that $50,000 (assuming she takes two weeks "off" a year) isn't that really just her icing?
And how many are repeat customers... at a MERE $200 for two hours work... for those ... at least a few of the 20 calls a month must be return customers... many of whichshe may not loathe at all?
Many women fuck men they LOATHE aka their husbands... essentially for $ as well... we know that is why many don't leave... because they feel disempowered and afraid they could not survive without the men due to financial dependence.
Was it this thread where people were arguing that "westernized" women are not, as a whole, oppressed?
:eek:
**we all know that high end prostitutes make waaaaay more than $100/hour or $200 a call** The girl is this link states $2000 an hour!
I'm saying it's about coping skills, character, society, politics, etc.
You said: "The dehumanizing aspects of sex trade or in life that people experience are not due to which ever particular pursuits one may be involved but happen because of the other people involved and one's coping skills and character."
I'm saying, in general terms, that one's particular pursuits are a part of who one is. I'm saying any variable involved is a variable involved in understanding what happens.
"I'm saying it's about coping skills, character, society, politics, etc."
Coping skills and character are the tools we have, that we develop, that we craft and which hopefully evolve as we grow, to understand and deal with or handle the situations we explore as we travel our paths. That would be "society, politics, etc.". That is our internal force and the external forces with which it contends. Of course our points of view are going to be influenced by our pursuits. That's not a point. In fact, it's a rather bland truth.
A woman doesn't dehumanize herself for being a prostitute. Or for doing porn films. That is hurled at her from outside external forces. And, if she were to 'dehumanize' herself for her acts, that would be merely her coping skill as she has accepted those ideas which would foster that.
Also, we have the potential of being more than our pursuits. So our "understanding what happens" might be greater than that which does happen.
I don't think I'm explaining myself well. I think prostitution is a form of objectification. Kind of like apples are a form of fruit, for instance. If fruit ceased to exist, then apples would necessarily cease to exist because they are a form of fruit. Same with objectification and prostitution. If objectification ceased to exist, there could be no forms of it remaining, including prostitution. If prostitution still existed, that would mean objectification still existed. Know what I mean?
No, that's absurd reasoning. There's no logic to it. Objectification might be a part of prostitution, but it's one of many. And erasing one cause does not stop the practice in its entirety. It's like saying if cigarettes disappeared from the face of the earth, nobody would ever get cancer again. Maybe there would be less lung cancer, even a huge drop in it. But there are other causes of cancer and getting rid of cigarettes does not take care of the rest.
Do you not think... as Sweet Emotion has pointed out... given her set of coping skills and strength of character etc... and then given the fact that she was sexually abused as a child and the other painful issues she was dealing with as a young woman... she would probably not have ended up abusing drugs and having relationships with abusive men whether she got into porn or not?
Of course. I'm not sure I hear your point.
She was able to use her sexuality to make money. To make money off men... the very people that harmed her. Now she is wealthy and can afford all the therapy in the world to exorcise her demons... no?
Yes. And she still objectified herself. She was still objectified by others.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
"I'm saying it's about coping skills, character, society, politics, etc."
Coping skills and character are the tools we have, that we develop, that we craft and which hopefully evolve as we grow, to understand and deal with or handle the situations we explore as we travel our paths. That would be "society, politics, etc.". That is our internal force and the external forces with which it contends. Of course our points of view are going to be influenced by our pursuits. That's not a point. In fact, it's a rather bland truth.
A woman doesn't dehumanize herself for being a prostitute. Or for doing porn films. That is hurled at her from outside external forces. And, if she were to 'dehumanize' herself for her acts, that would be merely her coping skill as she has accepted those ideas which would foster that.
Also, we have the potential of being more than our pursuits. So our "understanding what happens" might be greater than that which does happen.
In my view, when a woman treats herself in a dehumanizing fashion, she dehumanizes herself. There are always negative consequences for dehumanizing anyone--one's self included.
Also, when dehumanization comes at one from outside one's self, it has absolutely nowhere to 'stick' or have any effect, unless there is an inner component that the woman holds to--has internalized--that causes her to accept the onslaught from without and make it her own, within.
I realize it's a case where the emotionally poor become emotionally poorer. This is why I say I value and LOVE all people. And I appreciate the equality for all of us. However, our choices, while all fair game, come with a consequence. Some much more painful than others.
edit: I see that when a woman objectifies herself--when she tunes out her own inner feedback..her emotions, intuitions, thoughts etc, that make her human, in order to have sex with a stranger, she treats herself in a dehumanizing manner.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Many women fuck men they LOATHE aka their husbands... essentially for $ as well... we know that is why many don't leave... because they feel disempowered and afraid they could not survive without the men due to financial dependence.
Was it this thread where people were arguing that "westernized" women are not, as a whole, oppressed?
:eek:
For me, I see that this issue goes far beyond prostitution...to the objectification of all our people...the tuning out and the devaluing of the 'feminine' intelligences (emotional and intuitive) in our males and females, which creates widespread imbalance. To me, it's more symptomatic of 1)a patriarchal system, which both men and women uphold, and suffer from .. and 2) where we just are at this point in our human evolution...because we know what is beyond this imbalance, and can point to as an ideal, does not mean the majority will adapt and move on any quicker than they are..
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
For me, I see that this issue goes far beyond prostitution...to the objectification of all our people...the tuning out and the devaluing of the 'feminine' intelligences (emotional and intuitive) in our males and females, which creates widespread imbalance. To me, it's more symptomatic of 1)a patriarchal system, which both men and women uphold, and suffer from .. and 2) where we just are at this point in our human evolution...because we know what is beyond this imbalance, and can point to as an ideal, does not mean the majority will adapt and move on any quicker than they are..
spot on! people are so hard-edged nowadays, and I myself am guilty of being that way sometimes. it's a social disease, and it's easy to catch.
people who prostitute themselves, or purchase a prostitute aren't stupid, and know the risks of it when they make that choice. If it's worth it to you, your going to do it anyways..
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yeah, i thought i needed to that explain that more, actually...
i guess i mean a lot of things: overly competitive, uncaring, dismissive, reactionary, to name a few...
Gotcha. I'd agree with that. It's kind of a natural outgrowth of capitalism... it breeds an "every man, woman and child for his or her self" mentality. For all the neocons whine about the decline of family values and try to blame gays and tv for it, the root problem is our society is built around a "me first" mentality that largely views all other people as either disposable or tools for getting what we want.
We scream bloody murder about sacrificing a bit of our income in taxes to support the poor and impoverished and then act confused that 50% of our married couples can't handle making the huge personal sacrifices marriage demands in our daily lives.
Gotcha. I'd agree with that. It's kind of a natural outgrowth of capitalism... it breeds an "every man, woman and child for his or her self" mentality.
Hehe, despite the heated debate elsewhere, the Chinese do have the right track on some issues and this may be one of them. I've never been sold on capitalism. But if you're going to do it, do it all the way. If I'm going to be coerced into working 70 hour weeks just to keep my job so my master can make a zillion dollars this year, then goddamnit grant me the satisfaction of going to a brothel at the end of the week and getting my jollies with a pretty girl for a few of those dollars I earned! I forgot to ask this in the China thread, but it could be the dealbreaker... is prostitution legal there? Because that might trump al my argumentsl
i still see nothing wrong, overall, with objectification.
for example:
the new victoria'se secret catalogue came in the mail saturday. i was looking through it, of course my husband was curious to see it as well as is typical. we were discussing the pictures, the lingerie, the women...who and what appealled to us and why. obviously, we both know these women are WOMEN, real people with real feelings, emotions, intelligence, etc. however, for what we were doing, NONE of that mattered. we were dealing purely in superficials, shallow images, nothing more. it very much could be me comparing beautiful *anything* to each other....but in this case, it was women. these women willingly choose to make their profession as they do, get paid quite well, they have no idea what we are doing...it harms no one. i appreciate beauty in all it's forms, i compare and contrast beautiful things/people all the time. it Is objectification on a certain level, but it in no way diminishes the person, nor myself. it's just enjoying appearances for appearances' sake alone.
Hehe, despite the heated debate elsewhere, the Chinese do have the right track on some issues and this may be one of them. I've never been sold on capitalism. But if you're going to do it, do it all the way. If I'm going to be coerced into working 70 hour weeks just to keep my job so my master can make a zillion dollars this year, then goddamnit grant me the satisfaction of going to a brothel at the end of the week and getting my jollies with a pretty girl for a few of those dollars I earned! I forgot to ask this in the China thread, but it could be the dealbreaker... is prostitution legal there? Because that might trump al my argumentsl
It's not legal, but it's rampant. I.e, the nearest bar from my apartment is a 5 - 10 minute walk from here, and there's 14 brothels between my apartment and the bar.
It's not legal, but it's rampant. I.e, the nearest bar from my apartment is a 5 - 10 minute walk from here, and there's 14 brothels between my apartment and the bar.
In my view, when a woman treats herself in a dehumanizing fashion, she dehumanizes herself. There are always negative consequences for dehumanizing anyone--one's self included.
Also, when dehumanization comes at one from outside one's self, it has absolutely nowhere to 'stick' or have any effect, unless there is an inner component that the woman holds to--has internalized--that causes her to accept the onslaught from without and make it her own, within.
I realize it's a case where the emotionally poor become emotionally poorer. This is why I say I value and LOVE all people. And I appreciate the equality for all of us. However, our choices, while all fair game, come with a consequence. Some much more painful than others.
edit: I see that when a woman objectifies herself--when she tunes out her own inner feedback..her emotions, intuitions, thoughts etc, that make her human, in order to have sex with a stranger, she treats herself in a dehumanizing manner.
You have finally just said exactly what I have been saying all along. A woman isn't dehumanized from within but from without- and then copes with it as she best knows how. Someone who perhaps enjoys being a prostitute will not feel dehumanized, whatsoever.
Then, in your final paragraph, you provide yourself as the external force for the prostitute letting her know that in your very humble opinion, what she is doing requires her to turn off her humanity so that she might act as a(n)____ , you fill in the blank Angelica, it's your opinion of her.
You have finally just said exactly what I have been saying all along. A woman isn't dehumanized from within but from without- and then copes with it as she best knows how. Someone who perhaps enjoys being a prostitute will not feel dehumanized, whatsoever.
Then, in your final paragraph, you provide yourself as the external force for the prostitute letting her know that in your very humble opinion, what she is doing requires her to turn off her humanity so that she might act as a(n)____ , you fill in the blank Angelica, it's your opinion of her.
What I'm saying, and have been saying all along, is that when a woman tunes out her own humanity, she dehumanizes herself. When a woman tunes out her own feelings, thoughts and intuitions, and treats herself like an object, she objectifies herself. When she ignores her feelings or numbs them in order to act in ways she would not be able to were she in touch with her feelings, then she objectifies herself. And when society degrades her, or objectifies her, if it affects her at all, it is because she agrees with them on the inside. At the same time, society is totally responsible for what they do, as is she. It is two sides of the coin. Life holds both the woman and society responsible for their actions.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
What I'm saying, and have been saying all along, is that when a woman tunes out her own humanity, she dehumanizes herself. When a woman tunes out her own feelings, thoughts and intuitions, and treats herself like an object, she objectifies herself. When she ignores her feelings or numbs them in order to act in ways she would not be able to were she in touch with her feelings, then she objectifies herself. And when society degrades her, or objectifies her, if it affects her at all, it is because she agrees with them on the inside. At the same time, society is totally responsible for what they do, as is she. It is two sides of the coin. Life holds both the woman and society responsible for their actions.
Life holds nothing responsible for anything. Life goes on. It is only society that holds up judgments and responsibilities for actions taken. That ugly mirror that is much less reflective than it is an embarrassment.
Life holds nothing responsible for anything. Life goes on. It is only society that holds up judgments and responsibilities for actions taken. That ugly mirror that is much less reflective than it is an embarrassment.
absolutely! well said.
and how one thinks and feels on any given topic...is so individual. certainly lots of internal and external influences for said thoughts and feelings, but none the less....entirely individual. right and wrong, or any of the judgemental language in between...whether positive or negative do not necessarily hold true for all, or most.
Life holds nothing responsible for anything. Life goes on. It is only society that holds up judgments and responsibilities for actions taken. That ugly mirror that is much less reflective than it is an embarrassment.
You are talking about something very different than I am. While you are talking about judgment, I am talking about cause and effect. Everything on earth is ruled by cause and effect. For each cause, we receive an effect. If you can show me something on our planet outside of the law of cause and effect, I'd love to see it. Everyone alive must accept the consequences of their actions at all times, whether we like it or not. Whether we deny it or not.
In the meantime, psychology has for 100 years been and continues to study the causes and effects of humans and their behaviours. In terms of repressing and denying one's emotions, the consequences are widely acknowledged across the wide board of psychology as creating unhealthy effects in humans. and on the flip-side, it's also widely acknowledged how healthy and empowering it is to acknowledge, own and integrate one's emotions. As a matter of fact, doing so is considered to be "emotionally intelligent". Emotional intelligence is considered a key factor in success. Displaying emotional intelligence is the opposite of tuning out and denying one's emotions. Even Darwin, himself, believed in the importance of emotional expression for evolutionary adaptation and survival!
It's clear that those who are not heeding evolutionary responses--such as their emotions which have evolved for a reason--receive negative effects. That is why the concept of "dehumanizing" or "objectifying" one's self has a negative connotation....it's not a neutral or positive thing.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
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Yes, I realized I had looked at the word in the wrong light after I wrote that, but I think perhaps the male example still gives people the idea of how a person's emotions could possibly be damaged from such an occupation.
Do you not think... as Sweet Emotion has pointed out... given her set of coping skills and strength of character etc... and then given the fact that she was sexually abused as a child and the other painful issues she was dealing with as a young woman... she would probably not have ended up abusing drugs and having relationships with abusive men whether she got into porn or not?
She was able to use her sexuality to make money. To make money off men... the very people that harmed her. Now she is wealthy and can afford all the therapy in the world to exorcise her demons... no?
I agree that for MANY women it does "kill part of her."
But i also think a lot of things do.. we are not outlawing BAD MARRIAGES are we?
Women who choose to stay in bad marriages and have sex... for years on end... with men they can't stand... frequently with men they hate...
That kills a little piece of these women every day as well....
I'm not saying THIS is"right" either...
just saying....
I don't think the amount of sex a woman would have in a bad marriage could even remotely compare to the volume of sex she'd be required to have as a prostitute.
There was a scandal reported recently about a politician and a call girl and it came out that she'd have hundreds of appointments in a month. That's between three and four times a day. She was an expensive whore so she probably had fewer clients than a cheap prostitute. Think of those numbers. Three to four men who you might find repulsive EVERYDAY.
:eek:
It's horrible to think of!
The korean women who were used as "comfort women" during the war sometimes had as many as SIXTY men in a day. Can you imagine that?
I don't think a bad marriage is on the same scale of torture.
OK...so how much does an expensive prostitute make?
Does she NEED to have so many calls a month or does she choose to because she is making money hand over fist?
Even if an expensive prostitiute only made $200 per john... x 5 per week... tax free (because you can't pay taxes on that which is not legal....)
She's bringing home $1000/week for presumably ten hours of "work." No?
Anything after that $50,000 (assuming she takes two weeks "off" a year) isn't that really just her icing?
And how many are repeat customers... at a MERE $200 for two hours work... for those ... at least a few of the 20 calls a month must be return customers... many of whichshe may not loathe at all?
Many women fuck men they LOATHE aka their husbands... essentially for $ as well... we know that is why many don't leave... because they feel disempowered and afraid they could not survive without the men due to financial dependence.
Was it this thread where people were arguing that "westernized" women are not, as a whole, oppressed?
:eek:
**we all know that high end prostitutes make waaaaay more than $100/hour or $200 a call** The girl is this link states $2000 an hour!
(i must run and haven't read the entire article yet.... i will though...looks like it addresses a lot of the issues we're discussing)
http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/wayoflife/11/07/lw.call.girl/
"I'm saying it's about coping skills, character, society, politics, etc."
Coping skills and character are the tools we have, that we develop, that we craft and which hopefully evolve as we grow, to understand and deal with or handle the situations we explore as we travel our paths. That would be "society, politics, etc.". That is our internal force and the external forces with which it contends. Of course our points of view are going to be influenced by our pursuits. That's not a point. In fact, it's a rather bland truth.
A woman doesn't dehumanize herself for being a prostitute. Or for doing porn films. That is hurled at her from outside external forces. And, if she were to 'dehumanize' herself for her acts, that would be merely her coping skill as she has accepted those ideas which would foster that.
Also, we have the potential of being more than our pursuits. So our "understanding what happens" might be greater than that which does happen.
No, that's absurd reasoning. There's no logic to it. Objectification might be a part of prostitution, but it's one of many. And erasing one cause does not stop the practice in its entirety. It's like saying if cigarettes disappeared from the face of the earth, nobody would ever get cancer again. Maybe there would be less lung cancer, even a huge drop in it. But there are other causes of cancer and getting rid of cigarettes does not take care of the rest.
Yes. And she still objectified herself. She was still objectified by others.
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Also, when dehumanization comes at one from outside one's self, it has absolutely nowhere to 'stick' or have any effect, unless there is an inner component that the woman holds to--has internalized--that causes her to accept the onslaught from without and make it her own, within.
I realize it's a case where the emotionally poor become emotionally poorer. This is why I say I value and LOVE all people. And I appreciate the equality for all of us. However, our choices, while all fair game, come with a consequence. Some much more painful than others.
edit: I see that when a woman objectifies herself--when she tunes out her own inner feedback..her emotions, intuitions, thoughts etc, that make her human, in order to have sex with a stranger, she treats herself in a dehumanizing manner.
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I was just making sure i was understanding yours...
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spot on! people are so hard-edged nowadays, and I myself am guilty of being that way sometimes. it's a social disease, and it's easy to catch.
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haha, this thread is turning into group therapy.
people who prostitute themselves, or purchase a prostitute aren't stupid, and know the risks of it when they make that choice. If it's worth it to you, your going to do it anyways..
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I'm curious what you mean by hard-edged?
yeah, i thought i needed to that explain that more, actually...
i guess i mean a lot of things: overly competitive, uncaring, dismissive, reactionary, to name a few...
Gotcha. I'd agree with that. It's kind of a natural outgrowth of capitalism... it breeds an "every man, woman and child for his or her self" mentality. For all the neocons whine about the decline of family values and try to blame gays and tv for it, the root problem is our society is built around a "me first" mentality that largely views all other people as either disposable or tools for getting what we want.
We scream bloody murder about sacrificing a bit of our income in taxes to support the poor and impoverished and then act confused that 50% of our married couples can't handle making the huge personal sacrifices marriage demands in our daily lives.
They could always move to China?
:joke:
Hehe, despite the heated debate elsewhere, the Chinese do have the right track on some issues and this may be one of them. I've never been sold on capitalism. But if you're going to do it, do it all the way. If I'm going to be coerced into working 70 hour weeks just to keep my job so my master can make a zillion dollars this year, then goddamnit grant me the satisfaction of going to a brothel at the end of the week and getting my jollies with a pretty girl for a few of those dollars I earned! I forgot to ask this in the China thread, but it could be the dealbreaker... is prostitution legal there? Because that might trump al my argumentsl
for example:
the new victoria'se secret catalogue came in the mail saturday. i was looking through it, of course my husband was curious to see it as well as is typical.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
It's not legal, but it's rampant. I.e, the nearest bar from my apartment is a 5 - 10 minute walk from here, and there's 14 brothels between my apartment and the bar.
So when can I come visit?
You have finally just said exactly what I have been saying all along. A woman isn't dehumanized from within but from without- and then copes with it as she best knows how. Someone who perhaps enjoys being a prostitute will not feel dehumanized, whatsoever.
Then, in your final paragraph, you provide yourself as the external force for the prostitute letting her know that in your very humble opinion, what she is doing requires her to turn off her humanity so that she might act as a(n)____ , you fill in the blank Angelica, it's your opinion of her.
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Life holds nothing responsible for anything. Life goes on. It is only society that holds up judgments and responsibilities for actions taken. That ugly mirror that is much less reflective than it is an embarrassment.
absolutely! well said.
and how one thinks and feels on any given topic...is so individual. certainly lots of internal and external influences for said thoughts and feelings, but none the less....entirely individual. right and wrong, or any of the judgemental language in between...whether positive or negative do not necessarily hold true for all, or most.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
You'd go to China to pay to get laid??
In the meantime, psychology has for 100 years been and continues to study the causes and effects of humans and their behaviours. In terms of repressing and denying one's emotions, the consequences are widely acknowledged across the wide board of psychology as creating unhealthy effects in humans. and on the flip-side, it's also widely acknowledged how healthy and empowering it is to acknowledge, own and integrate one's emotions. As a matter of fact, doing so is considered to be "emotionally intelligent". Emotional intelligence is considered a key factor in success. Displaying emotional intelligence is the opposite of tuning out and denying one's emotions. Even Darwin, himself, believed in the importance of emotional expression for evolutionary adaptation and survival!
It's clear that those who are not heeding evolutionary responses--such as their emotions which have evolved for a reason--receive negative effects. That is why the concept of "dehumanizing" or "objectifying" one's self has a negative connotation....it's not a neutral or positive thing.
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