What's the TRUTH on Obama??

Wobbie

I work with some right wing assholes so, of course, they like to print stuff from the internet and leave it lying around. After seeing what Karl Rove did to Kerry the last time around, I'm very afraid of how this whole "unpatriotic Muslim" thing could be manipulated in regard to Obama. Even after 8 disastrous years with Bush, I'm beginning to believe Americans could be gullible enough to elect another Republican :(

So anyway, two questions:

Is Obama, by any stretch of the imagination, Muslim? Has he ever been?

Does Obama not salute the flag; hold his hand over his heart, etc.? It wouldn't really bother me but I think it would be political suicide. My right wing "buddies" have printed some pictures which seem to show Obama "dissing" the flag.

If they can make Kerry look like a traitor and make Bush a patriot, I shudder to imagine the smear job they could throw on Barack!

ledvedderman

imalive wrote:

Is Obama, by any stretch of the imagination, Muslim? Has he ever been?

I believe he went to a madrassa at a very early age. Think back to when you were seven, did you get to choose where you went to church. Right now he is a Christian, not that that should matter.

imalive wrote:

Does Obama not salute the flag; hold his hand over his heart, etc.? It wouldn't really bother me but I think it would be political suicide. My right wing "buddies" have printed some pictures which seem to show Obama "dissing" the flag.

You are right, it would be political suicide. He does salute the flag. I'm sure you saw the picture from Iowa where he didn't, but that's long been debunked.

If you don't want another Republican in office next January, you might want to consider Obama.

cornnifer

imalive wrote:

I work with some right wing assholes so, of course, they like to print stuff from the internet and leave it lying around. After seeing what Karl Rove did to Kerry the last time around, I'm very afraid of how this whole "unpatriotic Muslim" thing could be manipulated in regard to Obama. Even after 8 disastrous years with Bush, I'm beginning to believe Americans could be gullible enough to elect another Republican :(

So anyway, two questions:

Is Obama, by any stretch of the imagination, Muslim? Has he ever been?

Does Obama not salute the flag; hold his hand over his heart, etc.? It wouldn't really bother me but I think it would be political suicide. My right wing "buddies" have printed some pictures which seem to show Obama "dissing" the flag.

If they can make Kerry look like a traitor and make Bush a patriot, I shudder to imagine the smear job they could throw on Barack!

All of this shit has already been put to bed. (obama was sworn in on his family Bible, actualy LEADS the pledge on the senate floor and has never been a muslim (what the fuck difference does it make anyway)). If thecrepublicans were to try to use this dead line of shit they would only embarass themselves.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Basically his supporters will tell you he is going to solve everything, create "change", and perhaps cure cancer on the side in his spare time.

the fact of the matter is that he's obeys and fully supports the whims of Isreal, and knows his place accordingly. Israel wants to bomb the crap out of Iran more than anything else in the world right now (and for some time to come until they finally do)

Do the math.

People who say Ron Paul has a good message are demonized and call lunatics because a republican can;t actually be a good person for some reason even if they are actually a good person.

Go figure...bombing Iran and fully supporting the people who want to, seems pretty sane no doubt.

It's a lot bigger the Barack and his grand ideas of peace, and he's seriously kidding himself (and a lot of other people) thinking he can play in their game and not pay their price at the end of the night when the bill arrives.

Obomba will be Obombing (Iran) when the time comes a calling (directly or indirectly through $$$). The money will be there to support it, because Obama supports Israel 100%. He's in bed, and sooner or later he's gonna told to roll over and be on the bottom.

Hillary would be worse though. Gravel would be a wasted vote. sadly... Kucinich is gone. that leaves one guy that will choose a peaceful route. The only republican talking peace with a significant dose of humanitarian common sense that will not lead into perpetual war for the next 100 years....Ron Paul.

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MasterFramer

Your "Obama is going to bomb Iran" argument is so tired and stupid... give it a rest already.

ledvedderman

MasterFramer wrote:

Your "Obama is going to bomb Iran" argument is so tired and stupid... give it a rest already.

I can't agree with you more. Any candidate who isn't Ron Paul is going to bomb Iran.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

MasterFramer wrote:

Your "Obama is going to bomb Iran" argument is so tired and stupid... give it a rest already.

Israel is. If you don't know that they want to attack Iran you;re living under a rock. What do you know about Israel and it's leaders and the current state or fervor of the Zionist movement? I'm guessing not a lot.

Where's the money and support coming from? He's already openly supported it in spite of. Ever wonder why Ron Paul says he will end aid to Israel? Well...Not Barack, he supports Israel 100% in every way. A war mongering racist cabal just like the neo-cons. Barack says thumbs up to that.

I would advise you to educate yourself on the politics and practices over there, your country is heading down a path of endless war, and you're going to vote for it.

ledvedderman

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Israel is. If you don't know that they want to attack Iran you;re living under a rock. What do you know about Israel and it's leaders and the current state or fervor of the Zionist movement? I'm guessing not a lot.

Where's the money and support coming from? He's already openly supported it in spite of. Ever wonder why Ron Paul says he will end aid to Israel? Well...Not Barack, he supports Israel 100% in every way. A war mongering racist cabal just like the neo-cons. Barack says thumbs up to that.

I would advise you to educate yourself on the politics and practices over there, your country is heading down a path of endless war, and you're going to vote for it.

Your "educate yourself" theory is getting quite old too. I have yet to run into any serious Moving Train posters who were not well informed and educated on the topics being discussed. We've all formed our own opinion and made up our mind. I'm sure you think you've done ten fold the research that we have, and maybe you have. However, to talk down to people like you are above us all in knowledge to the political process is beyond funny---no matter what your bell charts on the Ron Paul forum say.

I swear sometimes you sound more like a used car salesman than a supporter of a candidate.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

ledvedderman wrote:

I can't agree with you more. Any candidate who isn't Ron Paul is going to bomb Iran.

That would be dead wrong. You have (had) Kucinich and Gravel. The rest are war candidates either directly or not.

I'm getting the growing impression America is essentially fucked. It's people aren't going to figure it out in time, and the media has done it's job only too well.

Pay attention to what Russia and China are doing in response to the latest posturing. It's extremely telling.

Wobbie

Thanks for the input. I found something for my lunatic co-workers who like to leave stuff lying around...

http://members.cox.net/ddgrh8r/barackbush.jpg

Ron Paul? I hate to admit it but I can't even consider him because he can't win. The Republicans will never nominate him and (as things now stand) an Independent can't win either. All an Independent can do (ala Nader) is siphon enough resonable people's votes away so that we're left with Bush. I don't like it but I can't see how we are ever going to keep the people with all the money from deciding who has all the power. It's shaping up to be another awful election....

RolandTD20Kdrummer

ledvedderman wrote:

Your "educate yourself" theory is getting quite old too. I have yet to run into any serious Moving Train posters who were not well informed and educated on the topics being discussed. We've all formed our own opinion and made up our mind. I'm sure you think you've done ten fold the research that we have, and maybe you have. However, to talk down to people like you are above us all in knowledge to the political process is beyond funny---no matter what your bell charts on the Ron Paul forum say.

I swear sometimes you sound more like a used car salesman than a supporter of a candidate.

Then you would see it, but you don't

Do you know what the plan is? Are you on schedule with what is going on in the middle east and who is who... and in power, and what they desire?

You're saying it , but I sure as hell ain't seeing it.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

imalive wrote:

Thanks for the input. I

It's shaping up to be another awful election....

You got that part right.

MasterFramer

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Israel is. If you don't know that they want to attack Iran you;re living under a rock. What do you know about Israel and it's leaders and the current state or fervor of the Zionist movement? I'm guessing not a lot.

Where's the money and support coming from? He's already openly supported it in spite of. Ever wonder why Ron Paul says he will end aid to Israel? Well...Not Barack, he supports Israel 100% in every way. A war mongering racist cabal just like the neo-cons. Barack says thumbs up to that.

I would advise you to educate yourself on the politics and practices over there, your country is heading down a path of endless war, and you're going to vote for it.

You're not even an American citizen? Why the fuck is anyone giving you the time of day on this subject? At all...

flywallyfly

MasterFramer wrote:

You're not even an American citizen? Why the fuck is anyone giving you the time of day on this subject? At all...

The American president affects the entire world, not just our patch of ground. I'd be interested too if I lived elsewhere.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

MasterFramer wrote:

You're not even an American citizen? Why the fuck is anyone giving you the time of day on this subject? At all...

As time goes on, it's appears (unfortunately) fortunate that I'm not. Time is the deciding factor here. You'll come back and see what I'm saying.... I hope not though. It's been that way with everyone for me for the past three years, and that's a lot of I told you so's

Unlike the vast majority of people... I know what's going on in the world when it comes to politics.

ledvedderman

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Unlike the vast majority of people... I THINK I know what's going on in the world when it comes to politics.

there ya go, i fixed it for you

RolandTD20Kdrummer

ledvedderman wrote:

there ya go, i fixed it for you

You just stuck your head in the sand that's all..

edit: Have you auditioned for American Idol yet?

MasterFramer

flywallyfly wrote:

The American president affects the entire world, not just our patch of ground. I'd be interested too if I lived elsewhere.

Being interested is one thing but being obsessed about it and the insane amount of posturing and claiming this all knowing power of US politics when one is not actually a citizen is really odd to me.

Nevermind

Run everybody. We have been taken over by Europe.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

MasterFramer wrote:

Being interested is one thing but being obsessed about it and the insane amount of posturing and claiming this all knowing power of US politics when one is not actually a citizen is really odd to me.

All knowing?...just follow the news. Turn the TV off first though. Might take a few months to get the bigger picture going.

If you can't see agendas by know... I don't know what to tell you.. keep reading.

jlew24asu

MasterFramer wrote:

Being interested is one thing but being obsessed about it and the insane amount of posturing and claiming this all knowing power of US politics when one is not actually a citizen is really odd to me.

the problem is that he follows radical websites with mushroom cloud doomsday scenarios as fact. when in fact there is no proof. alex jones mentality type of stuff. quite scary. someone should tell him that any 16 year old with html skills can make a website.

3 examples he holds as fact.

1. planes didnt hit the WTC. it was a media illusion.
2. the US government sprays a toxin mist (chemtrails) over its citizens to keep us in line.
3. the US has set a date to nuke Iran.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

An open letter to Barak.

http://www.uruknet.de/?p=m40582&hd=&size=1&l=e

Obama saying he supports Israel militarily is like saying he supports the neo-con agenda militarily.

Exact same diff. They are one and the same in ideology and beliefs.

Nevermind

jlew24asu wrote:

the problem is that he follows radical websites with mushroom cloud doomsday scenarios as fact. when in fact there is no proof. alex jones mentality type of stuff. quite scary. someone should tell him that any 16 year old with html skills can make a website.

3 examples he holds as fact.

1. planes didnt hit the WTC. it was a media illusion.
2. the US government sprays a toxin mist (chemtrails) over its citizens to keep us in line.
3. the US has set a date to nuke Iran.

Slander. Alex Jones get his info from Mainstream news and experts on the topics. And the government was behind 9/11.

MasterFramer

jlew24asu wrote:

the problem is that he follows radical websites with mushroom cloud doomsday scenarios as fact. when in fact there is no proof. alex jones mentality type of stuff. quite scary. someone should tell him that any 16 year old with html skills can make a website.

3 examples he holds as fact.

1. planes didnt hit the WTC. it was a media illusion.
2. the US government sprays a toxin mist (chemtrails) over its citizens to keep us in line.
3. the US has set a date to nuke Iran.

All I know is what we have been told about 9/11 is not the truth.

Contrails are too fringe for me and Obama is not going to attack Iran.

jlew24asu

Nevermind wrote:

Slander. Alex Jones get his info from Mainstream news and experts on the topics. And the government was behind 9/11.

everything out of jones's mouth is slander. fuck that guy. how bout that? and dont get me started on the government was behind 9/11 bullshit.

MasterFramer

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

All knowing?...just follow the news. Turn the TV off first though. Might take a few months to get the bigger picture going.

If you can't see agendas by know... I don't know what to tell you.. keep reading.

Again with the posturing... "I know more than you because I don't watch TV, I read the internets!" Great dude.

Nevermind

Actually you should get started up on it. Should we start with the hijackers that are alive today that supposedly crashed a plane into the WTC?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGtOFudmHG8

jlew24asu

Nevermind wrote:

Actually you should get started up on it. Should we start with the hijackers that are alive today that supposedly crashed a plane into the WTC?

no they are not alive. there are more then one Mohammad in the middle east, just fyi. you seem new here, we have beat this to death for months. hell even years now. all of your bullshit has been disproven. dont waste your time.

Nevermind

jlew24asu wrote:

no they are not alive. there are more then one Mohammad in the middle east, just fyi. you seem new here, we have beat this to death for months. hell even years now. all of your bullshit has been disproven. dont waste your time.

Seem new here? I dont fucking think so. Check registration date.
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/150_911_smoking_guns_found_in_media.htm
Theres some mainstream news on 9/11 for you.

jlew24asu

Nevermind wrote:

Seem new here? I dont fucking think so. Check registration date.
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/150_911_smoking_guns_found_in_media.htm
Theres some mainstream news on 9/11 for you.

you seem new on the train. you haven't participated in the hundreds of 9/11 pages.

nice link. all you have done is prove my point. go bother someone else.

Nevermind

The ignorant people are the reason I dont post on the Train. You must watch a lot of Television.