Hey - I started this thread to get clarification on a couple of "facts/myths." I got my answer. I didn't mean to "start" anything . "Can't we all just get along?"
If I had known then what I know now...
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"The recipe for endless worldwide war is one that the Bush administration offered as a business prospectus to the nascent disaster capitalism after September 11. It is not a war that can be one by any country but winning is not the point. The point is to create “security” inside fortress states bolstered by endless low-level conflict outside their walls. In a way, it is the same goal that the private security companies have in Iraq: secure the perimeter, protect the principal…
In Israel, however, that process is the most advanced: an entire country has turned itself into a fortified gated community, surrounded by locked-out people living in permanently excluded red zones. This is what society looks like when has lost its economic incentive for peace and is heavily invested in fighting and profiting from an endless and unwinnable War on Terror. One part looks like Israel; the other part looks like Gaza.
P441-Shock Doctrine"
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
the less people like you around here the better. go back where you came from
Nasty little creature...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Basically his supporters will tell you he is going to solve everything, create "change", and perhaps cure cancer on the side in his spare time.
the fact of the matter is that he's obeys and fully supports the whims of Isreal, and knows his place accordingly. Israel wants to bomb the crap out of Iran more than anything else in the world right now (and for some time to come until they finally do)
Do the math.
People who say Ron Paul has a good message are demonized and call lunatics because a republican can;t actually be a good person for some reason even if they are actually a good person.
Go figure...bombing Iran and fully supporting the people who want to, seems pretty sane no doubt.
It's a lot bigger the Barack and his grand ideas of peace, and he's seriously kidding himself (and a lot of other people) thinking he can play in their game and not pay their price at the end of the night when the bill arrives.
Obomba will be Obombing (Iran) when the time comes a calling (directly or indirectly through $$$). The money will be there to support it, because Obama supports Israel 100%. He's in bed, and sooner or later he's gonna told to roll over and be on the bottom.
Hillary would be worse though. Gravel would be a wasted vote. sadly... Kucinich is gone. that leaves one guy that will choose a peaceful route. The only republican talking peace with a significant dose of humanitarian common sense that will not lead into perpetual war for the next 100 years....Ron Paul.
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bs...sorry....as much as I agree with some of your posts..your ramblimgs on Obama are false and unfounded.....
bs...sorry....as much as I agree with some of your posts..your ramblimgs on Obama are false and unfounded.....
You obviously think you know more about it than me. So explain to me why he supports Israel and for what reasons.
And also why fully supporting Israel is so radically different (or at all) from supporting neo-conservatism in your opinion.
I like to hear that addressed by someone who thinks they know more about it than me.
I'm always out to learn more.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
The wack-a-moles can even turn a thread about Obama into a 9/11 tin foil hat thread. Well done, loonies!
quit your pathetic whining...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
You obviously think you know more about it than me. So explain to me why he supports Israel and for what reasons.
And also why fully supporting Israel is so radically different (or at all) from supporting neo-conservatism in your opinion.
I like to hear that addressed by someone who thinks they know more about it than me.
I'm always out to learn more.
your arrogance is sickening. newsflash, you aren't that smart. you are just a guy who was picked on too much in high school and uses a message board to feel important.
your arrogance is sickening. newsflash, you aren't that smart. you are just a guy who was picked on too much in high school and uses a message board to feel important.
hehe yeah ok...sure. pot kettlel yada...yada..
If someone claims I'm full of shit and rambling them I would like to be educated by them accordingly.
Could you answer me on that then if you seem to think so as well.
step up already.
here it is again:
So explain to me why he supports Israel and for what reasons.
And also why fully supporting Israel is so radically different (or at all) from supporting neo-conservatism in your opinion.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
it doesnt matter how people answer this. you will just stomp your chest and claim you are king kong
Just say you can't already but you feel the need to complain about it as though you can...sigh... :rolleyes:
or am I wrong?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
If someone claims I'm full of shit and rambling them I would like to be educated by them accordingly.
Could you answer me on that then if you seem to think so as well.
step up already.
here it is again:
So explain to me why he supports Israel and for what reasons.
And also why fully supporting Israel is so radically different (or at all) from supporting neo-conservatism in your opinion.
So Obama is a Neocon now? Nice.
Oh btw... I could give a fuck about this made up issue.
Keep tearing down the only canidate in generations that has truly started to make people feel hopeful. Have fun with that.
Its kinda sad you are so cynical.
Just say you can't already but you feel the need to complain about it as though you can...sigh... :rolleyes:
or am I wrong?
you have a problem with Israel. and then hide behind your hate by saying you arent antisemitic. there is nothing wrong with supporting Israel and at the same time support peace between Israel and the palastines. you support hate and nothing else. time and time again you have lost credibility with your constant baiting, arrogance, and all out bullshit. many people see it.
Oh btw... I could give a fuck about this made up issue.
Keep tearing down the only canidate in generations that has truly started to make people feel hopeful. Have fun with that.
Its kinda sad you are so cynical.
master thanks to you (and others), your truthful and informational posts about obama have definitely swayed me into voting for him.
you have a problem with Israel. and then hide behind your hate by saying you arent antisemitic. there is nothing wrong with supporting Israel and at the same time support peace between Israel and the palastines. you support hate and nothing else. time and time again you have lost credibility with your constant baiting, arrogance, and all out bullshit. many people see it.
I could care less about who sees what and for what reasons and whatever else. I like to strip away the media trimmings and get to the heart of the matter.
Not supporting Israel is equal to supporting hate....holy wow...You sure you want to keep that statement on the debate team short list going into the finals? That's a gem I think.
So how is Israels agenda (that Barak supports 110%) different from the neo-con agenda? That one is the harder of the two to dance around.
You say stuff but it matters very little when you can't back your argument up with anything tangible but personal attacks.
no logic senor....the well she is dry...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
master thanks to you (and others), your truthful and informational posts about obama have definitely swayed me into voting for him.
Vote for him.. He'll be your guy.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I work with some right wing assholes so, of course, they like to print stuff from the internet and leave it lying around. After seeing what Karl Rove did to Kerry the last time around, I'm very afraid of how this whole "unpatriotic Muslim" thing could be manipulated in regard to Obama. Even after 8 disastrous years with Bush, I'm beginning to believe Americans could be gullible enough to elect another Republican :(
So anyway, two questions:
Is Obama, by any stretch of the imagination, Muslim? Has he ever been?
Does Obama not salute the flag; hold his hand over his heart, etc.? It wouldn't really bother me but I think it would be political suicide. My right wing "buddies" have printed some pictures which seem to show Obama "dissing" the flag.
If they can make Kerry look like a traitor and make Bush a patriot, I shudder to imagine the smear job they could throw on Barack!
Obama addresses the smears and lies against him and gives the actual facts here:
I could care less about who sees what and for what reasons and whatever else. I like to strip away the media trimmings and get to the heart of the matter.
Not supporting Israel is equal to supporting hate....holy wow...You sure you want to keep that statement on the debate team short list going into the finals? That's a gem I think.
So how is Israels agenda (that Barak supports 110%) different from the neo-con agenda? That one is the harder of the two to dance around.
You say stuff but it matters very little when you can't back your argument up with anything tangible but personal attacks.
no logic senor....the well she is dry...
I support both of their right to exist. you dont. you are part of the problem.
as for obama, this type of rhetoric is right up your alley. read
I could care less about who sees what and for what reasons and whatever else. I like to strip away the media trimmings and get to the heart of the matter.
Not supporting Israel is equal to supporting hate....holy wow...You sure you want to keep that statement on the debate team short list going into the finals? That's a gem I think.
So how is Israels agenda (that Barak supports 110%) different from the neo-con agenda? That one is the harder of the two to dance around.
You say stuff but it matters very little when you can't back your argument up with anything tangible but personal attacks.
no logic senor....the well she is dry...
You just don't get it. Maybe cause you don't live here? I don't know but I do know that if you polled the American public if they are pro Isreal the results would be that the majority is.
Saying Obama wants to nuke Iran becuase he spoke to some conservative Jews makes as much sense as saying all Arabs must be terrorists.
You just don't get it. Maybe cause you don't live here? I don't know but I do know that if you polled the American public if they are pro Isreal the results would be that the majority is.
Saying Obama wants to nuke Iran becuase he spoke to some conservative Jews makes as much sense as saying all Arabs must be terrorists.
Not exactly we are talking about world leaders and elites here not the general populous. big difference.
The question is:
How is Israels agenda (that Barak supports 110%) different from the neo-con agenda?
Answer that one or yourself before you vote.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
How is Israels agenda (that Barak supports 110%) different from the neo-con agenda?
Answer that one or yourself before you vote.
how are they the same? is any hint of supporting Israel the same as a neo-con agenda? sorry not many americans support hamas the way you so devoutly do.
how are they the same? is any hint of supporting Israel the same as a neo-con agenda? sorry not many americans support hamas the way you so devoutly do.
How are they the same?
haha...did you actually just ask that?
I think you guys need to start seeing war more as a business venture which is exactly what is.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I could care less about this "issue" you have brought up.
And what the public believes does matter since they have some effect on who becomes president.
All I can say to that is it seems you're going to let history inform you of what happened after the fact.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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the less people like you around here the better. go back where you came from
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dmPchuXIXQ
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173
read the Shock doctrine by Naomi Klein sometime
http://www.naomiklein.org/shock-doctrine
http://www.naomiklein.org/main
"The recipe for endless worldwide war is one that the Bush administration offered as a business prospectus to the nascent disaster capitalism after September 11. It is not a war that can be one by any country but winning is not the point. The point is to create “security” inside fortress states bolstered by endless low-level conflict outside their walls. In a way, it is the same goal that the private security companies have in Iraq: secure the perimeter, protect the principal…
In Israel, however, that process is the most advanced: an entire country has turned itself into a fortified gated community, surrounded by locked-out people living in permanently excluded red zones. This is what society looks like when has lost its economic incentive for peace and is heavily invested in fighting and profiting from an endless and unwinnable War on Terror. One part looks like Israel; the other part looks like Gaza.
P441-Shock Doctrine"
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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Nasty little creature...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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bs...sorry....as much as I agree with some of your posts..your ramblimgs on Obama are false and unfounded.....
You obviously think you know more about it than me. So explain to me why he supports Israel and for what reasons.
And also why fully supporting Israel is so radically different (or at all) from supporting neo-conservatism in your opinion.
I like to hear that addressed by someone who thinks they know more about it than me.
I'm always out to learn more.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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quit your pathetic whining...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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your arrogance is sickening. newsflash, you aren't that smart. you are just a guy who was picked on too much in high school and uses a message board to feel important.
No whining here. Subtle taunting to be sure, but no whining.
hehe yeah ok...sure. pot kettlel yada...yada..
If someone claims I'm full of shit and rambling them I would like to be educated by them accordingly.
Could you answer me on that then if you seem to think so as well.
step up already.
here it is again:
So explain to me why he supports Israel and for what reasons.
And also why fully supporting Israel is so radically different (or at all) from supporting neo-conservatism in your opinion.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
it doesnt matter how people answer this. you will just stomp your chest and claim you are king kong
Just say you can't already but you feel the need to complain about it as though you can...sigh... :rolleyes:
or am I wrong?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
So Obama is a Neocon now? Nice.
Oh btw... I could give a fuck about this made up issue.
Keep tearing down the only canidate in generations that has truly started to make people feel hopeful. Have fun with that.
Its kinda sad you are so cynical.
you have a problem with Israel. and then hide behind your hate by saying you arent antisemitic. there is nothing wrong with supporting Israel and at the same time support peace between Israel and the palastines. you support hate and nothing else. time and time again you have lost credibility with your constant baiting, arrogance, and all out bullshit. many people see it.
master thanks to you (and others), your truthful and informational posts about obama have definitely swayed me into voting for him.
I could care less about who sees what and for what reasons and whatever else. I like to strip away the media trimmings and get to the heart of the matter.
Not supporting Israel is equal to supporting hate....holy wow...You sure you want to keep that statement on the debate team short list going into the finals? That's a gem I think.
So how is Israels agenda (that Barak supports 110%) different from the neo-con agenda? That one is the harder of the two to dance around.
You say stuff but it matters very little when you can't back your argument up with anything tangible but personal attacks.
no logic senor....the well she is dry...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
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Glad we can agree on this, the more important issue right now.
Vote for him.. He'll be your guy.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Obama addresses the smears and lies against him and gives the actual facts here:
http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/2007/11/12/obama_has_never_been_a_muslim_1.php
and here:
http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/2007/11/12/obama_is_a_patriot.php
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I support both of their right to exist. you dont. you are part of the problem.
as for obama, this type of rhetoric is right up your alley. read
http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/03/barack_obama_and_israel_1.html
You just don't get it. Maybe cause you don't live here? I don't know but I do know that if you polled the American public if they are pro Isreal the results would be that the majority is.
Saying Obama wants to nuke Iran becuase he spoke to some conservative Jews makes as much sense as saying all Arabs must be terrorists.
Not exactly we are talking about world leaders and elites here not the general populous. big difference.
The question is:
How is Israels agenda (that Barak supports 110%) different from the neo-con agenda?
Answer that one or yourself before you vote.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
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You still dodged the question.
edit: and focused on me (again)
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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how are they the same? is any hint of supporting Israel the same as a neo-con agenda? sorry not many americans support hamas the way you so devoutly do.
I could care less about this "issue" you have brought up.
And what the public believes does matter since they have some effect on who becomes president.
How are they the same?
haha...did you actually just ask that?
I think you guys need to start seeing war more as a business venture which is exactly what is.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
All I can say to that is it seems you're going to let history inform you of what happened after the fact.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")