Will the Canadian Public understand

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  • Songburst
    Songburst Posts: 1,195
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I knew the guy was bogus.

    Who hangs out with Mulroney and Stockwell Day?

    Who shakes their kids hand when walking them to school?

    I asked a lot of people after the election who they voted for and why. Everyone who said they voted for Harper said they didn't know why. That's great campaigning, it was all the "Accountability" card, that's why people voted for him, no other reason.

    Who else was there to vote for? The Liberals are just Conservatives who play the "middle" card. If Liberals were truly in the center of the political spectrum in Canada they should and would win every election. The NDP would run this country into the ground with their good intentions. Imagine if Canadians were actually mandated to meet the unrealistic Kyoto goals? This country would be in ruins.
    1/12/1879, 4/8/1156, 2/6/1977, who gives a shit, ...
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Songburst wrote:
    Who else was there to vote for? The Liberals are just Conservatives who play the "middle" card. If Liberals were truly in the center of the political spectrum in Canada they should and would win every election. The NDP would run this country into the ground with their good intentions. Imagine if Canadians were actually mandated to meet the unrealistic Kyoto goals? This country would be in ruins.

    What about Connie Fogal of CAP?
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Songburst
    Songburst Posts: 1,195
    Ahnimus wrote:
    What about Connie Fogal of CAP?

    Exactly.
    1/12/1879, 4/8/1156, 2/6/1977, who gives a shit, ...
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    surferdude wrote:
    Why aren't these 51 supposedly caring countries looking at the greenhouse gases they consume? If these 51 countries capped their consumption it wouldn't matter whatChina was doing. But I forgot, in the politics and trade agreements that masquarade as climate concern it's all about looking to others to make changes. The cause of climate change is a very legitimate concern, the crap these countries propose is a joke.

    uhh ... they are ... these 51 countries ... soon to be 52 were set to impose limits ... but i suppose if you take the attitude that you will wait for every other country in the world to act first then you got the right leader ...

    the other thing you fail to recognize is our sabotaging of efforts by countries that want to act! ...

    sooo ... if you're one to look at burma and condemn china for sabotaging real change there - you should look at this the same way ...
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    Songburst wrote:
    Who else was there to vote for? The Liberals are just Conservatives who play the "middle" card. If Liberals were truly in the center of the political spectrum in Canada they should and would win every election. The NDP would run this country into the ground with their good intentions. Imagine if Canadians were actually mandated to meet the unrealistic Kyoto goals? This country would be in ruins.

    so ... what proof do you have that the ndp would run this country to the ground? ... although i don't agree with everything he does ... layton's record at various levels of gov't is pretty solid ...

    having said that - i could argue the conservatives are running this country to the ground right now ... record surpluses could be achieved by anyone if they don't fund programs adequately ... those things come back to haunt you in the end ...
  • Thecure
    Thecure Posts: 814
    polaris wrote:
    so ... what proof do you have that the ndp would run this country to the ground? ... although i don't agree with everything he does ... layton's record at various levels of gov't is pretty solid ...

    having said that - i could argue the conservatives are running this country to the ground right now ... record surpluses could be achieved by anyone if they don't fund programs adequately ... those things come back to haunt you in the end ...

    the ndp will never win because many people in ontario see what the ndp did here.

    the record surplusses is based alot on the price of oil.
    People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."
    - Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)

    If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
    - Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    Thecure wrote:
    the ndp will never win because many people in ontario see what the ndp did here.

    the record surplusses is based alot on the price of oil.

    well ... we've discussed this many times over here ... although i didn't agree with everything rae did ... he inherited a $5 billion defecit from the liberals and walked into a recession that spread across north america ... can't blame the ndp for that ...
  • Thecure
    Thecure Posts: 814
    "today for first time in many years, Canada's voice is being heard" Mr. harper 2007. what is he talking about.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071126.wharper26/BNStory/National/home
    People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."
    - Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)

    If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
    - Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
  • Songburst
    Songburst Posts: 1,195
    polaris wrote:
    so ... what proof do you have that the ndp would run this country to the ground? ... although i don't agree with everything he does ... layton's record at various levels of gov't is pretty solid ...

    having said that - i could argue the conservatives are running this country to the ground right now ... record surpluses could be achieved by anyone if they don't fund programs adequately ... those things come back to haunt you in the end ...

    Layton seems ok and I would vote (and have voted) for the NDP over the Liberals (who I hold nothing but contempt for). I don't agree with everything that Harper says or does, but I think that he has been pretty good so far. I don't think that he has done anything that he didn't say that he was going to do when he campaigned. I just don't think that a socialist government in Canada is a good thing at all.

    The best government for Canada would be a Conservative minority with the NDP as the official opposition. The Conservatives could continue to try to cut the fat out of the system and lower taxes to draw investment into the country (ie more jobs for more Canadians) and the NDP could make sure that important social programs like health care get the funding that it needs. Simple, right? :)
    1/12/1879, 4/8/1156, 2/6/1977, who gives a shit, ...
  • Yoyoyo
    Yoyoyo Posts: 310
    The less change the government can make, the less laws they can pass the better. Strike down old laws, don't bother making new ones.
    No need to be void, or save up on life

    You got to spend it all
  • Thecure
    Thecure Posts: 814
    polaris wrote:
    well ... we've discussed this many times over here ... although i didn't agree with everything rae did ... he inherited a $5 billion defecit from the liberals and walked into a recession that spread across north america ... can't blame the ndp for that ...

    i don't blame the NDP. the only reason i said that is because people don't see the situation that a government was set up with all they see is what happen with that govenment while in power.
    People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."
    - Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)

    If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
    - Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    Songburst wrote:
    Layton seems ok and I would vote (and have voted) for the NDP over the Liberals (who I hold nothing but contempt for). I don't agree with everything that Harper says or does, but I think that he has been pretty good so far. I don't think that he has done anything that he didn't say that he was going to do when he campaigned. I just don't think that a socialist government in Canada is a good thing at all.

    The best government for Canada would be a Conservative minority with the NDP as the official opposition. The Conservatives could continue to try to cut the fat out of the system and lower taxes to draw investment into the country (ie more jobs for more Canadians) and the NDP could make sure that important social programs like health care get the funding that it needs. Simple, right? :)

    well ... this is the rub ... what he wants to do is not what 65% of the population wants him to do ... the only reason he is getting away with it is because the liberals have no spine ...

    having said that - yes, he is doing everything he said he would except not really ... his promises of an open, transparent gov't that was based on grassroots initiatives is pretty much a farce ... and where is this made in canada solution to climate change ... he is doing nothing ... far worse then the pathetic liberals ...

    we aren't actually seeing the impacts of his policies right now but look at ontario today with our shortages in funding from the harris years (flaherty was minister of finance there too) and you can see what tax cuts and under-funding of programs lead to ...
  • Thecure
    Thecure Posts: 814
    what i can't believe it. the government is giving money to groups with no accountability. say it ain't so Mr. Harper

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071126.wtory_grants1126/BNStory/National/home
    People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."
    - Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)

    If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
    - Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
  • thankyougrandma
    thankyougrandma Posts: 1,182
    don't worry folks, you'll get a 1% tax cuts in a month... when you'll be buying a new car with your new super tax reduction, Harper will celebrate by buying more tanks, and giving some good govt. money to some rich industries in Alberta...

    oh Canada... terre de nos aïeux...
    "L'homme est né libre, et partout il est dans les fers"
    -Jean-Jacques Rousseau
  • Thecure
    Thecure Posts: 814
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071210.wbali10/BNStory/International/home

    what can be said now.
    People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."
    - Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)

    If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
    - Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    well ... they are still fooling some people i suppose ... i love all the charts and to see where Canada sits besides ... US, Saudi Arabia, Australia (although we expect that to change) ...
  • Yoyoyo
    Yoyoyo Posts: 310
    To re-iterate

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCRsj06wT64
    No need to be void, or save up on life

    You got to spend it all
  • Thecure
    Thecure Posts: 814
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071210.wbalicanada1210/BNStory/International/home

    read and enjoy. how our country is becoming so bad
    People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."
    - Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)

    If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
    - Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
  • Songburst
    Songburst Posts: 1,195
    Thecure wrote:
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071210.wbalicanada1210/BNStory/International/home

    read and enjoy. how our country is becoming so bad

    I agree. Canada is so bad that you should move to Russia. They are blowing away their Kyoto targets and heating homes by burning their extra Kyoto credits. It is the most environmentally friendly country on the planet according to Kyoto.
    1/12/1879, 4/8/1156, 2/6/1977, who gives a shit, ...
  • Thecure
    Thecure Posts: 814
    can't believe that we the people allow this with our government.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080313.wAfghandetainees13/BNStory/Afghanistan/?cid=al_gam_nletter_newsUp
    People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."
    - Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)

    If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
    - Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)

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