You've been spun into oblivion by mainstream television.
and you are clearly taking your government on face value if you believe people in a cave planned those events...
the attackers were well-educated people (imagine that: education for arabs) that partly lived in europe and the us...
you refute them as attackers, because you can't believe that people in a cave are capable of doing this...
and I know why you can't believe it...because it's not true!:)
you've been spun into oblivion by dubious channels of information to say the least...you know, not everyone who claims the opposite of what the government says is RIGHT...
just apply parts of your self-claimed critical thinking to EVERY source and don't blindly believe only things you want to...it's almost comical...
by the way, have you read that article already that gives other examples of buildings collapsing similiar to the WTC? you know...just for informational purposes...
m.
Godwin's Law:
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
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this poll is...useless...I would put a yes to both answers...:)
I think it is NOT naive to come to a board like this and challenge the SPECIFIC view that, and I quote: "brain-washed CIA agents flew the planes into the WTC" which is what I did in my first original thread http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=294832
I really appreciate your input...and I totally agree with you...
my goal here was to challenge overall sensationalist and unsubstantial claims about specific events.
heck, I started this threat because somebody had claimed that no footage was released by the government that shows the pentagon attack...turns out the person meant all the other video footage, but not this one here...well, I'm sorry...but especially in a non-direct conversation, you have to be accurate...
That was me, I'm here in DC and silly me thought everyone has seen what has been released and I can't see what that flash is even with the missing frames. So I paid that video no mind, the cofiscated videos are the ones that could close this story quick.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
and you are clearly taking your government on face value if you believe people in a cave planned those events...
the attackers were well-educated people (imagine that: education for arabs) that partly lived in europe and the us...
you refute them as attackers, because you can't believe that people in a cave are capable of doing this...
and I know why you can't believe it...because it's not true!:)
you've been spun into oblivion by dubious channels of information to say the least...you know, not everyone who claims the opposite of what the government says is RIGHT...
just apply parts of your self-claimed critical thinking to EVERY source and don't blindly believe only things you want to...it's almost comical...
by the way, have you read that article already that gives other examples of buildings collapsing similiar to the WTC? you know...just for informational purposes...
m.
It's often said my biggest fault is taking the US government at face value.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
It's often said my biggest fault is taking the US government at face value.
to basically rewrite my post from above, that you find so amusing:
you're biggest fault is to believe everything at face value that fits your world view and to discard any information that doesn't do so...
m.
Godwin's Law:
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
to basically rewrite my post from above, that you find so amusing:
you're biggest fault is to believe everything at face value that fits your world view and to discard any information that doesn't do so...
m.
Not sure about world views, but in relation to this subject, isn't that what you're doing? You feel that the US government weren't involved in the 911 attacks and that they were carried out by Al Quaida operatives in the way the government says they were. Doesn't that mean that you are discarding all the information that doesn't fit with that view? I mean, there is mountains of it. What makes the sources of information dubious? The don't have the White House tick of approval on them?
Not sure about world views, but in relation to this subject, isn't that what you're doing? You feel that the US government weren't involved in the 911 attacks and that they were carried out by Al Quaida operatives in the way the government says they were. Doesn't that mean that you are discarding all the information that doesn't fit with that view? I mean, there is mountains of it. What makes the sources of information dubious? The don't have the White House tick of approval on them?
I am referring to his world view of the US government (or their puppet master, probably bankers(?)) running the world...and his and other's attempts to turn everything into a US vs. world perspective...911 is just one piece of "evidence" that he uses to reveal his truth about THE MAN controlling and enslaving the world...step back for a minute and compare it to some lines in the article about S-Arabian school books, where they claim there is a group of people that runs the world, installing puppet-regimes, controlling the media, and draining the people of their wealth...only they claim it's the jews or the maisons or whatever...that's a (bad) way to explain the world to children, because they can't grasp yet how complex it really is...
and to say it again, since it always seems to get lost: I am all for doubting what the government (or governments in general) say(s), but that doesn't mean that I buy into stories that consist of at least 50% manifactured facts, unsourced information, or sensationalist half truths, only because they are presented in a convincing way...of course they can be true, everything is possible, but then please: first disprove the official stories hard facts, and if you really have any idea what else could have happened dish out your factual proof...
you see: some people still dispute this is a plane when actual plane parts were lying all over the place, when the plane's crew and passengers have obviously vanished form the face of the earth, when a dozen eye-witnesses have seen a plane...what a mystery really...but yeah...the physical evidence was just put there(passengers anyone?) to divert from the real questions...because people in a cave can't do that...
in short: display the same amount of critical thinking when you read non-government information, than when you read government (or main stream media) information...
I know: this seems to be a warped world view for some, too,...that can't be helped...
m.
Godwin's Law:
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
If a plane traveling ten feet off the ground for 300 yards and carrying 12 MTers, 1 Creed fan and 3 Deadheads was headed for the Pentagon; how long would it take the MTers to decide if the chicken be served is an Organic Free Range Chicken or a Penned Full Of Steroids and Anitbiotics chicken?
If a plane traveling ten feet off the ground for 300 yards and carrying 12 MTers, 1 Creed fan and 3 Deadheads was headed for the Pentagon; how long would it take the MTers to decide if the chicken be served is an Organic Free Range Chicken or a Penned Full Of Steroids and Anitbiotics chicken?
My wife thought i was funny for laughing so hard at that. Good one.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
again: it's an attempt to answer people's specific questions about OTHER footage, with the hint to also check out websites from time to time that concern themselves with (partly) disproving claims by conspiracy theorists...
again: this doesn't answer all the deeper questions.
but I am modest, and just state:
it shows it was a plane
and it shows alternative footage(or screenshots)
I am referring to his world view of the US government (or their puppet master, probably bankers(?)) running the world...and his and other's attempts to turn everything into a US vs. world perspective...911 is just one piece of "evidence" that he uses to reveal his truth about THE MAN controlling and enslaving the world...step back for a minute and compare it to some lines in the article about S-Arabian school books, where they claim there is a group of people that runs the world, installing puppet-regimes, controlling the media, and draining the people of their wealth...only they claim it's the jews or the maisons or whatever...that's a (bad) way to explain the world to children, because they can't grasp yet how complex it really is...
and to say it again, since it always seems to get lost: I am all for doubting what the government (or governments in general) say(s), but that doesn't mean that I buy into stories that consist of at least 50% manifactured facts, unsourced information, or sensationalist half truths, only because they are presented in a convincing way...of course they can be true, everything is possible, but then please: first disprove the official stories hard facts, and if you really have any idea what else could have happened dish out your factual proof...
you see: some people still dispute this is a plane when actual plane parts were lying all over the place, when the plane's crew and passengers have obviously vanished form the face of the earth, when a dozen eye-witnesses have seen a plane...what a mystery really...but yeah...the physical evidence was just put there(passengers anyone?) to divert from the real questions...because people in a cave can't do that...
in short: display the same amount of critical thinking when you read non-government information, than when you read government (or main stream media) information...
I know: this seems to be a warped world view for some, too,...that can't be helped...
m.
Well, dozens of eyewitnesses claim to have seen something other than a large passenger plane. So who do you believe?. Dozens of engineers and pilots have said it couldn't possibly have been a 757, other say it could have been. Again, who do we believe?
To use the analogy of the murder trial again......... motive must be established. So, who gains the most from these events? Al Quiada sure haven't gained anything in the popularity stakes or moved their cause forward around the world. So, who benefits from it?
And when thinking about the conspiracy camp......... the same question can be asked. Who gains from a successful cover up? What do the conspiracy camp achieve if they're able to prove government involvement? I mean, this isn't just a bunch of basement dwelling, pimple faced, socially retarded people with nothing better to occupy their time with. All over the world, from all walks of life, people are questioning this. People who lost their loved ones, people whose family and friends were on those planes, are involved in this and demanding answers. They are questioning the 911 commission, and in fact, several family members testified and their testimonies were omitted. Maybe look up the transcript of the 911 omission hearing, if you can't find it, I have a copy of it I can send. At the very least, it's interesting reading, and as I said in the pm, this is all about finding those responsible and holding them accountable.
a. its not video.
its a timelapse STILL camera from a guard tower.
b. its the ONLY thing that has been released by the government,
while true video from at least 3 nearby businesses was confiscated IMMEDIATELY by the FBI.
c. the physical evidence on 911 is ALL a distraction from the real questions.
Why was the guy who admittedly wired $100,000 to Mohammed Attah sitting in a closed door meeting with DOD official on 9/10 and 9/11 proper !?!
Why was the 911 investigation stone walled. Why did Bush NOT WANT AN INVESTIGATION?
Why did they not testify under oath?
Why did NUMEROUS FBI agents state that they were blocked in their efforts before 9/11? Why did one go so far as to SUE THE GOVERNMENT for this !?!
Why do at least 9 high ranking former CIA officials say this was an inside job? Along with many foreign defense and public officials?
HOW DID THE FBI ALREADY HAVE A LIST OF SUSPECTED TERRORISTS WHILE THE EVENTS WERE STILL OCCURING !?!'
Seriously? WTF !??! THEY ALREADY KNEW !?!
The government could clear this one up easily if it released the confiscated footage. Thats just one of the discrepancies among many. 8 of the high jackers coming forward saying, um, ya know what, I didn't fly a plane into NYC that day.
today I show you "the never released footage that shows everything".
turn out it doesn't show jack...it was part of an ongoing investigation and, just like everytime in court cases, was held back after the case was over...
ever seen a mention about this on a TRUTH website???
probably not. infact there is at least one film that still claims in 2007 that those videos are confiscated.
and that not ONE SINGLE PERSON here KNEW those videos were out already (making this "fact" a well suiting part of their conspiracy theory) shows were they obtain their valuable information.
you now will tell me that is but one thing and bring up the next question. make an effort and really check out what "evidence" those questions are built on.
parting myth from fact is the best way to do those people justice.
so far only the bank accounts of the TRUTH leaders have profited, not by conspiracy, but by professional CON.
and by the way: the second claim you make is wrong as well, and has been proven to be wrong for YEARS. It was a mistake the bbc made, yet what you get on the usual consp. website is just the first report...guess the rest was just cover up?...Can you actually believe that there are two people with the same name living on this planet???
and: the people in the plane that is said to have hit the pentagon are DEAD. How is that for a fact. (in other words: part of the measleading physical evidence)
it is more important to find out about the cashflow between pakistan and M. Atta that ONE news source in the whole wide world alleged...cause it is so deep...
of course you can ask:
was it another plane?
was it a rocket?
was it a bomb?
those people are DEAD!!!
those are USELESS questions...they don't help the truth...they help keeping your mind busy and your believes intact...
I'm really tired of this:
of course you can claim people can walk on water because one source (the bible) says so (the one voice of the truth that is left), and I will respect your opinion...but it is built on believes not facts...
m.
PS: you seriously think al-quaida or its supporting groups didn't profit from this attack??? it made them heroes and martyrs among their followers! they gained massive influence in iraq. they really hurt the united states at its core. you think they ever had any goals that the rest of the world ever supported?
you may check this article to get a fair impression of OBL's mind: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A16990-2004Nov1.html
Godwin's Law:
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
to basically rewrite my post from above, that you find so amusing:
you're biggest fault is to believe everything at face value that fits your world view and to discard any information that doesn't do so...
m.
lol...face value....you're funny.
How much do you charge per hour?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
8,04€ to be exact.
instead of making fun of my (surely limited) english language skills answer me this:
did you know about those videos after all these years of research (I know they are not important for you)?
and if you knew about them: why didn't you tell people about them that said they were still withheld? aren't you interested in spreading the truth?
and if you didn't know them: well, why didn't you? is it because you only research things that fit your original conclusion? that is not wanting to find the truth, that is wanting to find YOUR truth.
m.
Godwin's Law:
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
I am glad you are entertainined...
that's what it's all about...
you people live in denial...of course...that it only my opinion...
I thought you were all about asking questions and shit...
all I get here when I ask questions are replies like yours...or some vague evasive shit...
my questions aren't answered by you asking me other questions...
get a grip...
there is more to the world than the US...you know...it's not behind everything...
as I said elsewhere...it is a main contributor...but it doesn't run the show...
m.
If you're trying to be objective then address why the other video has not been released. The videos could put any doubt to rest, right?
If you're trying to be objective then address why the other video has not been released. The videos could put any doubt to rest, right?
please go back a few posts and watch the footage from both the gas station and the hotel...
contrary to the believes of the two professional researchers here, that make bold claimes like other people are out of their league, those videos were released TWO YEARS AGO...
they were part of a court case against an alleged terrorist and were released immediately after the trial was over...
big deal...
and I assure you: if you really make an effort and not only check out "truth" websites you will find a lot more answers to your questions.
obviously a lot have people have never done that, because those websites are on "the government's side" or whatever...
this is just one example how a big mystery is created on the basis of false or outdated information...
if the "truth" leaders were really after the truth they would have gone to were the cameras are and check if you can really see something from those locations and not just claim "that they would prove anything"...
m.
Godwin's Law:
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
"Why did NUMEROUS FBI agents state that they were blocked in their efforts before 9/11? Why did one go so far as to SUE THE GOVERNMENT for this !?!
Why do at least 9 high ranking former CIA officials say this was an inside job? Along with many foreign defense and public officials?
HOW DID THE FBI ALREADY HAVE A LIST OF SUSPECTED TERRORISTS WHILE THE EVENTS WERE STILL OCCURING !?!'
Seriously? WTF !??! THEY ALREADY KNEW !?!"
Huh? Are these NOT leaks? All the people leaking information, FBI,CIA........ one of them sued the government? Are these not leaks?
Excellent points!
But of course they won't want to acknowledge that. Even though most people here know it's true. They'll ask for links to support your claims (even though it's been a known fact for a few years), they'll claim the agents and nine high ranking former CIA officials are just disgruntled ex-employees or that they're lying.
All the while ignoring that by the very nature of their job, the agencies they work for and the fact these people are coming from different branches ( FBI, CIA and different branches of the military); it is very unusual for these people to come out...speak out and divulge anything. It's the nature of their job. They are trained to keep secrets and run covert operations.
You have to believe something very unsavory and vicious is going on, here; for them to speak out and file suit.
Excellent points!
But of course they won't want to acknowledge that. Even though most people here know it's true. They'll ask for links to support your claims (even though it's been a known fact for a few years)
yesterday it was an excellent point to point out "the fact" that the government withheld additional footage from the gas station and the hotel and that the government CLEARLY tried to hide something by doing this.
none of the real researchers here knew that the footage was released two years ago...
you have to wonder what other excellent points and facts everybody knows about turn out to be manufactured...
I am not going after those other questions, cause I know answering them will do little to help the argument when you want to believe in an inside job...
but don't belittle me when I stick to facts, not fiction like the deceptional movie "loose change" that some people here have the nerve to name as one of their sources. in this movie they manipulate official videos to "prove" the WTC fell at free fall speed...in that they just cut pieces out...if that's what they call truth, I want to be a liar.
m.
Godwin's Law:
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
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and you are clearly taking your government on face value if you believe people in a cave planned those events...
the attackers were well-educated people (imagine that: education for arabs) that partly lived in europe and the us...
you refute them as attackers, because you can't believe that people in a cave are capable of doing this...
and I know why you can't believe it...because it's not true!:)
you've been spun into oblivion by dubious channels of information to say the least...you know, not everyone who claims the opposite of what the government says is RIGHT...
just apply parts of your self-claimed critical thinking to EVERY source and don't blindly believe only things you want to...it's almost comical...
by the way, have you read that article already that gives other examples of buildings collapsing similiar to the WTC? you know...just for informational purposes...
m.
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
That was me, I'm here in DC and silly me thought everyone has seen what has been released and I can't see what that flash is even with the missing frames. So I paid that video no mind, the cofiscated videos are the ones that could close this story quick.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
It's often said my biggest fault is taking the US government at face value.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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You're welcome.
Just trying to ad a little levity to this tense discussion:D
Notice everyone else completely skipped over it and didn't take time to laugh a little at ourselves.
Accounts for the worlds many problems, in my opinion:)
You're such a sap for anything this government tells you.
I can see the hook punctures where you swallowed the bait, from here:D
to basically rewrite my post from above, that you find so amusing:
you're biggest fault is to believe everything at face value that fits your world view and to discard any information that doesn't do so...
m.
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
Not sure about world views, but in relation to this subject, isn't that what you're doing? You feel that the US government weren't involved in the 911 attacks and that they were carried out by Al Quaida operatives in the way the government says they were. Doesn't that mean that you are discarding all the information that doesn't fit with that view? I mean, there is mountains of it. What makes the sources of information dubious? The don't have the White House tick of approval on them?
I am referring to his world view of the US government (or their puppet master, probably bankers(?)) running the world...and his and other's attempts to turn everything into a US vs. world perspective...911 is just one piece of "evidence" that he uses to reveal his truth about THE MAN controlling and enslaving the world...step back for a minute and compare it to some lines in the article about S-Arabian school books, where they claim there is a group of people that runs the world, installing puppet-regimes, controlling the media, and draining the people of their wealth...only they claim it's the jews or the maisons or whatever...that's a (bad) way to explain the world to children, because they can't grasp yet how complex it really is...
and to say it again, since it always seems to get lost: I am all for doubting what the government (or governments in general) say(s), but that doesn't mean that I buy into stories that consist of at least 50% manifactured facts, unsourced information, or sensationalist half truths, only because they are presented in a convincing way...of course they can be true, everything is possible, but then please: first disprove the official stories hard facts, and if you really have any idea what else could have happened dish out your factual proof...
you see: some people still dispute this is a plane when actual plane parts were lying all over the place, when the plane's crew and passengers have obviously vanished form the face of the earth, when a dozen eye-witnesses have seen a plane...what a mystery really...but yeah...the physical evidence was just put there(passengers anyone?) to divert from the real questions...because people in a cave can't do that...
in short: display the same amount of critical thinking when you read non-government information, than when you read government (or main stream media) information...
I know: this seems to be a warped world view for some, too,...that can't be helped...
m.
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
My wife thought i was funny for laughing so hard at that. Good one.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
you have to scroll down a bit:
http://www.debunk911myths.org/topics/Pentagon_security_video
before you say this doesn't (dis)prove anything:
again: it's an attempt to answer people's specific questions about OTHER footage, with the hint to also check out websites from time to time that concern themselves with (partly) disproving claims by conspiracy theorists...
again: this doesn't answer all the deeper questions.
but I am modest, and just state:
it shows it was a plane
and it shows alternative footage(or screenshots)
here's a youtube-link to the hotel-camera footage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H285_DWX_bQ
check the rest out for yourselves if you are interested:)
m.
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
Well, dozens of eyewitnesses claim to have seen something other than a large passenger plane. So who do you believe?. Dozens of engineers and pilots have said it couldn't possibly have been a 757, other say it could have been. Again, who do we believe?
To use the analogy of the murder trial again......... motive must be established. So, who gains the most from these events? Al Quiada sure haven't gained anything in the popularity stakes or moved their cause forward around the world. So, who benefits from it?
And when thinking about the conspiracy camp......... the same question can be asked. Who gains from a successful cover up? What do the conspiracy camp achieve if they're able to prove government involvement? I mean, this isn't just a bunch of basement dwelling, pimple faced, socially retarded people with nothing better to occupy their time with. All over the world, from all walks of life, people are questioning this. People who lost their loved ones, people whose family and friends were on those planes, are involved in this and demanding answers. They are questioning the 911 commission, and in fact, several family members testified and their testimonies were omitted. Maybe look up the transcript of the 911 omission hearing, if you can't find it, I have a copy of it I can send. At the very least, it's interesting reading, and as I said in the pm, this is all about finding those responsible and holding them accountable.
And yet, not one leak from anyone.
"Why did NUMEROUS FBI agents state that they were blocked in their efforts before 9/11? Why did one go so far as to SUE THE GOVERNMENT for this !?!
Why do at least 9 high ranking former CIA officials say this was an inside job? Along with many foreign defense and public officials?
HOW DID THE FBI ALREADY HAVE A LIST OF SUSPECTED TERRORISTS WHILE THE EVENTS WERE STILL OCCURING !?!'
Seriously? WTF !??! THEY ALREADY KNEW !?!"
Huh? Are these NOT leaks? All the people leaking information, FBI,CIA........ one of them sued the government? Are these not leaks?
today I show you "the never released footage that shows everything".
turn out it doesn't show jack...it was part of an ongoing investigation and, just like everytime in court cases, was held back after the case was over...
ever seen a mention about this on a TRUTH website???
probably not. infact there is at least one film that still claims in 2007 that those videos are confiscated.
and that not ONE SINGLE PERSON here KNEW those videos were out already (making this "fact" a well suiting part of their conspiracy theory) shows were they obtain their valuable information.
you now will tell me that is but one thing and bring up the next question. make an effort and really check out what "evidence" those questions are built on.
parting myth from fact is the best way to do those people justice.
so far only the bank accounts of the TRUTH leaders have profited, not by conspiracy, but by professional CON.
and by the way: the second claim you make is wrong as well, and has been proven to be wrong for YEARS. It was a mistake the bbc made, yet what you get on the usual consp. website is just the first report...guess the rest was just cover up?...Can you actually believe that there are two people with the same name living on this planet???
and: the people in the plane that is said to have hit the pentagon are DEAD. How is that for a fact. (in other words: part of the measleading physical evidence)
it is more important to find out about the cashflow between pakistan and M. Atta that ONE news source in the whole wide world alleged...cause it is so deep...
of course you can ask:
was it another plane?
was it a rocket?
was it a bomb?
those people are DEAD!!!
those are USELESS questions...they don't help the truth...they help keeping your mind busy and your believes intact...
I'm really tired of this:
of course you can claim people can walk on water because one source (the bible) says so (the one voice of the truth that is left), and I will respect your opinion...but it is built on believes not facts...
m.
PS: you seriously think al-quaida or its supporting groups didn't profit from this attack??? it made them heroes and martyrs among their followers! they gained massive influence in iraq. they really hurt the united states at its core. you think they ever had any goals that the rest of the world ever supported?
you may check this article to get a fair impression of OBL's mind: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A16990-2004Nov1.html
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
lol...face value....you're funny.
How much do you charge per hour?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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8,04€ to be exact.
instead of making fun of my (surely limited) english language skills answer me this:
did you know about those videos after all these years of research (I know they are not important for you)?
and if you knew about them: why didn't you tell people about them that said they were still withheld? aren't you interested in spreading the truth?
and if you didn't know them: well, why didn't you? is it because you only research things that fit your original conclusion? that is not wanting to find the truth, that is wanting to find YOUR truth.
m.
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
If you're trying to be objective then address why the other video has not been released. The videos could put any doubt to rest, right?
please go back a few posts and watch the footage from both the gas station and the hotel...
contrary to the believes of the two professional researchers here, that make bold claimes like other people are out of their league, those videos were released TWO YEARS AGO...
they were part of a court case against an alleged terrorist and were released immediately after the trial was over...
big deal...
and I assure you: if you really make an effort and not only check out "truth" websites you will find a lot more answers to your questions.
obviously a lot have people have never done that, because those websites are on "the government's side" or whatever...
this is just one example how a big mystery is created on the basis of false or outdated information...
if the "truth" leaders were really after the truth they would have gone to were the cameras are and check if you can really see something from those locations and not just claim "that they would prove anything"...
m.
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
Excellent points!
But of course they won't want to acknowledge that. Even though most people here know it's true. They'll ask for links to support your claims (even though it's been a known fact for a few years), they'll claim the agents and nine high ranking former CIA officials are just disgruntled ex-employees or that they're lying.
All the while ignoring that by the very nature of their job, the agencies they work for and the fact these people are coming from different branches ( FBI, CIA and different branches of the military); it is very unusual for these people to come out...speak out and divulge anything. It's the nature of their job. They are trained to keep secrets and run covert operations.
You have to believe something very unsavory and vicious is going on, here; for them to speak out and file suit.
yesterday it was an excellent point to point out "the fact" that the government withheld additional footage from the gas station and the hotel and that the government CLEARLY tried to hide something by doing this.
none of the real researchers here knew that the footage was released two years ago...
you have to wonder what other excellent points and facts everybody knows about turn out to be manufactured...
I am not going after those other questions, cause I know answering them will do little to help the argument when you want to believe in an inside job...
but don't belittle me when I stick to facts, not fiction like the deceptional movie "loose change" that some people here have the nerve to name as one of their sources. in this movie they manipulate official videos to "prove" the WTC fell at free fall speed...in that they just cut pieces out...if that's what they call truth, I want to be a liar.
m.
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."