Videos of attack on Pentagon

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  • _outlaw wrote:
    what a way to back out of a debate.

    in all "fairness" he did explicitly state in his OP that he was NOT interested in starting any sort of discussion (scholarly or otherwise).

    His sole, and explicitly stated purpose, was to come here, stir up a bunch of shit, and post some half-true statement regarding old news.

    To mislead people in to thinking "conspiracy theorists" are idiots, and to not have to be accountable to back up his claims, it seems, was his SOLE purpose here.
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  • To mislead people in to thinking "conspiracy theorists" are idiots, and to not have to be accountable to back up his claims, it seems, was his SOLE purpose here.

    BINGO....

    saw through this reality yesterday.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • nobodynobody Posts: 353
    _outlaw wrote:
    what a way to back out of a debate.

    I knew you would say that:)
    that's why I wrote it:)
    so that you can feel even more like the winner and also present yourself to others and such...and you are...really...you live on the greatest country in the world...that can only be hurt if it lets it happen, or if it doesn it itself...it's planet america after all...international bankers...they are american bankers yes...

    I told you you win...
    and now you really don't have to make another comment...
    obviously you destroyed me here...and I'm sad...
    really...what a way to back out of a debate...

    m.
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  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    nobody wrote:
    I knew you would say that:)
    that's why I wrote it:)
    so that you can feel even more like the winner and also present yourself to others and such...and you are...really...you live on the greatest country in the world...that can only be hurt if it lets it happen, or if it doesn it itself...it's planet america after all...international bankers...they are american bankers yes...

    I told you you win...
    and now you really don't have to make another comment...
    obviously you destroyed me here...and I'm sad...
    really...what a way to back out of a debate...
    haha, no one here cares about winning. When interesting points are brought up, I acknowledge it, and many times I don't even know how to answer lots of questions. This is, after all, a discussion.

    And why do you keep piecing 9/11 inside job=No one can ever hurt US except the US.

    Just because 9/11 has too many unanswered questions that point towards something much bigger, doesn't mean we are trying to say anything like that...
  • NMyTreeNMyTree Posts: 2,374
    Holy shit!

    How does anyone win this topic of discussion?

    Winning?

    good god.

    The very concept of " people........us only caring about winning a debate " regarding this subject matter is a complete and shameful disrespect to all the people who were murdered on 9/11.

    It's out of respect for them, for the honor and integrity of the people of this country; that 9/11 requires a thorough. unbiased and uncorrupted investigation. It 's not about winning. It's about trying to learn what really happened, how it happened, who was involved and hopefully we all learn something from it.

    Obviously our government learned NOTHING from it.
  • nobodynobody Posts: 353
    _outlaw wrote:
    haha, no one here cares about winning. When interesting points are brought up, I acknowledge it, and many times I don't even know how to answer lots of questions. This is, after all, a discussion.

    And why do you keep piecing 9/11 inside job=No one can ever hurt US except the US.

    Just because 9/11 has too many unanswered questions that point towards something much bigger, doesn't mean we are trying to say anything like that...

    actually...if you read the first 3 posts of the thread I started yesterday...I really had a sincere aim...I put myself in your shoes and tried to figure out this questions...and which I deem essential...and I wanted to keep it simply focused on that question...and if you have a look at the first 3 or 4 pages of the thread...and be fair...I really try my best to moderate it calmly...but if people come in only to disqualify my intention...and start making some bollocks arguments...well, then I conclude they just want to be right...

    I really have other things to do...
    and if you are honest...and it's not an insult...many people just lack basic reasoning skills...
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  • NMyTree wrote:
    Holy shit!

    How does anyone win this topic of discussion?

    Winning?

    good god.

    The very concept of " people........us only caring about winning a debate " regarding this subject matter is a complete and shameful disrespect to all the people who were murdered on 9/11.

    It's out of respect for them, for the honor and integrity of the people of this country; that 9/11 requires a thorough. unbiased and uncorrupted investigation. It 's not about winning. It's about trying to learn what really happened, how it happened, who was involved and hopefully we all learn something from it.

    Obviously our government learned NOTHING from it.

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  • nobody wrote:
    and if you are honest...and it's not an insult...many people just lack basic reasoning skills...

    yeah. like you.
    you never got back to me on your own damn counter-argument.

    shameful.
    like nmytree said, this is about getting to the truth.
    you clearly aren't interested in that.
    you present your side, and then run away.

    if YOU were actualy interested in the truth, and not simply WINING, you would investigate what others put before you, and RESPOND ON TOPIC!
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  • Flannel ShirtFlannel Shirt Posts: 1,021
    I think the white blurb ATOMIZED before it hit the building. ;)
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  • nobodynobody Posts: 353
    yeah. like you.
    you never got back to me on your own damn counter-argument.

    shameful.
    like nmytree said, this is about getting to the truth.
    you clearly aren't interested in that.
    you present your side, and then run away.

    if YOU were actualy interested in the truth, and not simply WINING, you would investigate what others put before you, and RESPOND ON TOPIC!

    thank you...I will take your advice and be a better person...
    so long...
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  • I think the white blurb ATOMIZED before it hit the building. ;)

    Sorry...not enough friction in thin air to produce that ;)
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
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  • Flannel ShirtFlannel Shirt Posts: 1,021
    Sorry...not enough friction in thin air to produce that ;)
    ahhhh, but it was not thin air. it was quite thick. It was the invisible forcefield defense that caused it to happen silly. And you call yourself a truth seeker. Forcefields have been around circa 1978. See Death Star as reference.
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  • ahhhh, but it was not thin air. it was quite thick. It was the invisible forcefield defense that caused it to happen silly. And you call yourself a truth seeker. Forcefields have been around circa 1978. See Death Star as reference.

    I believe you, but Star Wars was only a movie to me.

    I have no idea where that leaves us...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • nobodynobody Posts: 353
    ahem.
    Nobody.
    Quit side tracking the debate.
    GET BACK TO YOUR OWN ARGUMENT AND PAY ATTENTION!
    YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THE ISI, MAHMOUD AHMED, AND FINANCING?
    WATCH THAT 10 MINUTE CLIP AND LEARN SOMETHING!

    this post alone displays a solid amount of relf-righteousness...

    I post a link about something flying into the pentagon...and you come telling me things about the pakistani financing of M. Atta who allegedly flew the planes into the WTC. THAT is side tracking the debate with irrelevant information that has nothing to do with this specific event that I linked.

    But...to come back to the original post and the second one, which was still slightly on topic:

    with a plane missing
    with a crew missing
    with all the passengers missing
    with their families confirming them missing
    with engine parts found at the site
    with not one, not two, but dozens of civilian eye-witnesses
    I admit to it: yes, this for me looks like a fast fuckin plane...

    and that is all I have to say.

    m.
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Why had Dick Cheney just been placed in overall charge of NORAD - America's air defense system - just prior to 9/11?
    And why was NORAD ineffective on this day, and this day only, when it had succesfully performed it's standard operating procedure with regard to false alarms, reports of hijackings, e.t.c, over 100 times already in 2001?

    Coincidence? Like fuck!
  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    nobody wrote:
    check out Video 2 at about 20sec...for example...
    just posting because people still claim the government forcefully withholds those videos...believing false claims by consp. theorists...
    surely you can't believe that this is the only footage of the 'plane' hitting the Pentagon? Supposedly for the one of the most secure buildings in the world?
    You really believe that is all there is available?

    No-one really knows what happened there do they. those 2 links prove nothing. do you really believe the government is being open and honest about what happened on 9/11, and not withholding footage that would verify clearly what happened?
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    nobody wrote:
    you people live in denial...of course...that it only my opinion...

    If you think your government are are the good guys and that they care about you - outside of what you can do for their bank balances - then you shoudl watch this video. It pieces together a lot of interesting material concerning the people you trust so dearly...

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3505348655137118430
  • nobodynobody Posts: 353
    nobody wrote:
    this post alone displays a solid amount of relf-righteousness...

    I post a link about something flying into the pentagon...and you come telling me things about the pakistani financing of M. Atta who allegedly flew the planes into the WTC. THAT is side tracking the debate with irrelevant information that has nothing to do with this specific event that I linked.

    But...to come back to the original post and the second one, which was still slightly on topic:

    with a plane missing
    with a crew missing
    with all the passengers missing
    with their families confirming them missing
    with engine parts found at the site
    with not one, not two, but dozens of civilian eye-witnesses
    I admit to it: yes, this for me looks like a fast fuckin plane...

    and that is all I have to say.

    m.

    please read this...and be satisfied with it...
    also read what I said in my other thread...

    I repeatedly stated that I can't disprove world conspiracy to you...

    I can take on some aspects and raise questions...

    and because somebody accused me of moral misconduct...

    is it morally justifiyable to take random facts embed them in a conspiracy theory (cause that is the only way they make sense) put them in a lecture, a film, or a book and cash in on them...

    or for other people to take the stance of the voice of truth and freedom go on an ego-trip in message boards...

    I am not here to attack anyone's opinions (although I'm sure you can come up with examples where I did, no doubt)...but to point out obvious flaws and false claims in people's arguments, without the intent of denying EVERYthing that the other person says is wrong...but people seem to be robust to information at times...let alone to some insight on how an actual debate works...

    m.
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  • nobodynobody Posts: 353
    Byrnzie wrote:
    If you think your government are are the good guys and that they care about you - outside of what you can do for their bank balances - then you shoudl watch this video. It pieces together a lot of interesting material concerning the people you trust so dearly...

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3505348655137118430

    this is exactly what I mean...

    I say the government isn't behind everything, someone claims I am a naive believer in the noble government...

    goodbye guys...

    m.

    PS: what a way to back out of a debate, right?
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    nobody wrote:
    this is exactly what I mean...

    I say the government isn't behind everything, someone claims I am a naive believer in the noble government...

    goodbye guys...

    m.

    PS: what a way to back out of a debate, right?

    I'm not saying that the government is behind everything, just that you shouldn't be surprised at the things they are behind.
    The U.S Government needs to be questioned about everything it does in light of it's track record. Leave no stone unturned when it comes to these jackals.

    Edit: And stop signing out of this thread. It's about the 5th time you've done so already! :D
    This thread is your creation. You should be proud of it! ;)
  • nobodynobody Posts: 353
    Byrnzie wrote:
    I'm not saying that the government is behind everything, just that you should shouldn't be surprised at the things they are behind.
    The U.S Government needs to be questioned about everything it does in light of it's track record. Leave no stone unturned when it comes to these jackals.

    Edit: And stop signing out of this thread. It's about the 5th time you've done so already! :D
    This thread is your creation. You should be proud of it! ;)

    yeah...but it's two different days...;)

    m.
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  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    Byrnzie wrote:
    If you think your government are are the good guys and that they care about you - outside of what you can do for their bank balances - then you shoudl watch this video. It pieces together a lot of interesting material concerning the people you trust so dearly...

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3505348655137118430
    I'm not one to push any particular theory on anyone because it is not my place to tell others what to believe, but I can't stress enough that we should all open our eyes up a bit wider – as I have done – and realize that all that is pushed hard down our throats as the undeniable “Truth” is, quite often, anything but.

    I'm not convinced the goverment was behind 9/11, but i do know that certain events that happened on that day just do not add up. We are not being told the full story. That's what makes me distrustful of our government and makes me wonder why? It's insulting that we are expected to believe the whole official story. Sorry, but it doesn't add up.
  • even flow?even flow? Posts: 8,066
    That plane must have been flying at a million miles per hour!
    You've changed your place in this world!
  • nobodynobody Posts: 353
    even flow? wrote:
    That plane must have been flying at a million miles per hour!

    it's not a continues video, but a series of stills...so it appears that the plane is even faster than it was...

    m.
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  • even flow?even flow? Posts: 8,066
    nobody wrote:
    it's not a continues video, but a series of stills...so it appears that the plane is even faster than it was...

    m.


    Yes I know. So stills should show a plane unless it was flying at one million miles per hour.


    Two cents!
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  • nobodynobody Posts: 353
    even flow? wrote:
    Yes I know. So stills should show a plane unless it was flying at one million miles per hour.


    Two cents!

    I guess you could actually calculate how fast it is approximately, cause it should be possible to give an estimate on how far it is away from the building in the still that shows "the object"...and an estimate for the time that elapsed between the two stills, that is object and impact

    that would show if it's clearly too fast or if it is possible that a plane can fly that fast...

    but I'm surely too lazy for that...

    all I can say is this: if it flew 300km/h...it would take it 1sec to fly 83,3 meters...with 400km/h it would fly 111,1 meters per sec.
    and if it's going 1millionkm/h it would fly 277778meters per second.


    I should add: it looks like it's not much more than 100meters away from the building in the frame you can see it first...
    then I guess it takes about one second until the impact...means it should fly something approaching 400km/h I think...
    pretty fast...but I think a plane has at least 200 and something km/h to go before it actually takes off...

    I hope those were two cents too...regarding this (much appreciated) specific question...

    m.
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  • nobody wrote:
    this post alone displays a solid amount of relf-righteousness...

    No.
    I pointed out immediately that physical anomalyies are nothing but a SIDE TRACK in and of themselves.

    The real "RELF Righteousness" is in thinking that by arguing one measley question over physical evidence that you have somehow debunked the entirety of a very complex event.

    You're blanket refusal to even respond to questions regarding an event that you DID respond to initialy shows your disingenious nature.

    Why don't you look in to and answer some of the DEEPER questions of 911?

    Or would you rather just sit here and look like a king, smirking over holes in a wall all day?

    :rolleyes:
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  • nobodynobody Posts: 353
    No.
    I pointed out immediately that physical anomalyies are nothing but a SIDE TRACK in and of themselves.

    The real "RELF Righteousness" is in thinking that by arguing one measley question over physical evidence that you have somehow debunked the entirety of a very complex event.

    You're blanket refusal to even respond to questions regarding an event that you DID respond to initialy shows your disingenious nature.

    Why don't you look in to and answer some of the DEEPER questions of 911?

    Or would you rather just sit here and look like a king, smirking over holes in a wall all day?

    :rolleyes:

    why not make it short and call me a k-hole?:)

    my refusal doesn't show anything...
    it was a mistake I started responding to your diversions...I just wanted to post a link...and I should have stuck to that...

    and yes...by disproving one hypothesis, you destroy the WHOLE theory...why don't you dick a bit DEEPER in to actual formal rules of logic, science, and debate...

    I am disingenious???
    and now I will bring up a fact that doesn't relate to this topic at all as well...but YOU are the one that claims Obama supports SLAVERY...have you actually sat down for half a minute and pondered that claim??? I suggest you do so...and don't tell me you don't mean it exactly that way...why post it then?? because you are a sensationalist...

    yes there are holes in a wall...plus an "object"...and I used both to make substantial claims about the speed of that object...
    and I'm not smirking...I actually made an honest effort to answer the question of a poster and not just come up with a link that say it's a plane...I did my own thinking/calculations based on easy to observe facts...something that you should consider too some time in your life.

    if physical evidence points in one direction...I don't need to look "deeper" and get cramps over finding "motives" and "connections". There are many people who had motives for this event...if you are so open minded, why don't you look "behind" some of them..there are enough people already that claim it was Bush...do something original...maybe you'll get on to something...maybe...but wait...only the US is capable of doing something like this, right?...

    m.
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  • nobody wrote:
    why not make it short and call me a k-hole?:)

    my refusal doesn't show anything...
    it was a mistake I started responding to your diversions...I just wanted to post a link...and I should have stuck to that...

    and yes...by disproving one hypothesis, you destroy the WHOLE theory...why don't you dick a bit DEEPER in to actual formal rules of logic, science, and debate...

    I am disingenious???
    and now I will bring up a fact that doesn't relate to this topic at all as well...but YOU are the one that claims Obama supports SLAVERY...have you actually sat down for half a minute and pondered that claim??? I suggest you do so...and don't tell me you don't mean it exactly that way...why post it then?? because you are a sensationalist...

    yes there are holes in a wall...plus an "object"...and I used both to make substantial claims about the speed of that object...
    and I'm not smirking...I actually made an honest effort to answer the question of a poster and not just come up with a link that say it's a plane...I did my own thinking/calculations based on easy to observe facts...something that you should consider too some time in your life.

    m.

    DUDE.

    WHO GIVES A FUCK WHAT HIT THE PENTAGON

    Thats what i'm trying to get through to you.

    IT DOESN'T PROVE OR DISPROVE SHIT

    NOTHING.
    NADA.

    There are SO MANY things that do not add up about 9/11 regarding NON-PHYSICAL evidence ... evidence of circumstance ...

    HERE ARE FORTY FUCKING REASONS TO QUESTION WHAT HAPPENED

    I'm pretty sure not ONE of them has SHIT to do with a hole in the fucking pentagon and questioning what hit it!

    Your incessant focus on this ONE stupid physical aspect is what has me in a rage.

    YOU are being nonsensical with your focus on something that is, AT BEST, ancillary to the actual questions posed by real 911 researchers.

    :cool:
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  • nobodynobody Posts: 353
    DUDE.

    WHO GIVES A FUCK WHAT HIT THE PENTAGON

    Thats what i'm trying to get through to you.

    IT DOESN'T PROVE OR DISPROVE SHIT

    NOTHING.
    NADA.

    There are SO MANY things that do not add up about 9/11 regarding NON-PHYSICAL evidence ... evidence of circumstance ...

    HERE ARE FORTY FUCKING REASONS TO QUESTION WHAT HAPPENED

    I'm pretty sure not ONE of them has SHIT to do with a hole in the fucking pentagon and questioning what hit it!

    Your incessant focus on this ONE stupid physical aspect is what has me in a rage.

    YOU are being nonsensical with your focus on something that is, AT BEST, ancillary to the actual questions posed by real 911 researchers.

    :cool:

    obviously a lot of your truther buddies do (did) give a fuck...oh wait...that was until they were disproven

    and I'll spell it out for you: if terrorists in a plain hit the pentagon...then all your other claims and arguments are WORTHLESS...

    and I spell another thing out for you: PHYSICAL evidence counts a lot more than circumstantial...at least in the country I live in...and that you claim the opposite here, already shows that you lack basic knowledge

    but keep sticking to your "real" researchers...
    and I hope you will never have to go to court, and then some one like you is on the jury, who discounts all physical evidence and just goes with what he wants to believe in...

    m.
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