Nader asks if Obama will be "Uncle Tom"

flywallyfly

El_Kabong wrote:

try what? saying 'uncle tom' or calling them one?

i took your advice monday, i wrote down exactly what Nader said


and i showed it to 9 black ppl at work from all 3 shifts and asked them if they thought this was a racist thing to say

EVERY SINLE ONE OF THEM SAID NO b/c it was CALLING obama an uncle tom and they all said if he does sell out to corporations and ends up being 'just another typical politician' they would think he was an uncle tom

they even pointed out that it said in the middle 'we wish him well'

so it seems the only ppl who have a problem w/ this is you, victory gin, decides2dream, sweet potato....(white ppl who attack anyone other than obama and those who support them) and faux news....:rolleyes:


as a sort of bonus question i asked what they would think if mccain had lost our state (which he won) and blamed it on the ppl in our state clinging to guns and religion and being anti-immigrant? they all thought it would be a stupid thing to say and that he's trying to blame ppl for not voting for him b/c they didn't like him or what he had to say more than who they did vote for

ALSO, yesterday among 3 of them 1 mentioned some article that had a big list of rappers and narrowed it down to the best one 'of all time' (eminem) we talked a little about ppl that didn;t make it or make it far or didn't deserve to make it as far as they did...they seemed surprised that i knew so much about some older ones and i said i used to like it back in the day when it was about something, then it turned into a gimmick w/ a bunch of clowns and uncle tom's and the response was laughter, i suspect had i said 'a bunch of clowns and niggers' or kike or spick (or whatever others someone compared 'uncle tom' to) their reaction would be a bit different

Nice experiment except you know them AND you work with them so I dont think they are gonna go off on you on the clock. Try it with random black people you have no connection to. Plus, dont show them what Nader said, just say it like it was from your head and your thought. Good luck.

flywallyfly

El_Kabong wrote:

so it seems the only ppl who have a problem w/ this is you, victory gin, decides2dream, sweet potato....(white ppl who attack anyone other than obama and those who support them) and faux news....:rolleyes:

LOL. Thanks for your scientific poll. I'm sure we are the only ones who thought that was a racist remark, lol. BTW, I dont have a problem with it because Nader is irrelevant to me so he can rant racist remarks all he wants. I will, however, point it out and chuckle at those Nader supporters that it does seem to bother and they will justify it as benign anyway they can.

decides2dream

El Kabong wrote:

so it seems the only ppl who have a problem w/ this is you, victory gin, decides2dream, sweet potato....(white ppl who attack anyone other than obama and those who support them) and faux news....

wow.

that is by far the biggest crock of shit, and absolutely false i might add, that you have ever posted in regards to any comments i have made on this board. if you truly read all my posts on this subject, and even about the election, the candidates, etc...i by NO means attack anyone outside of obama, not byu a long shot...and i almost always post from a point of respect, as often as i can manage in any case.....but that's just a lie.



and once AGAIN, for the record...it has nothing to do with NADER saying it, he just happened to...my thoughts would be the same no matter WHO said it...and i also NEVER said it was racist! i said it was racially loaded language and unnecessary...and it is! it is based on race and is unnecessary, and rather exclusionary since it focuses only on blacks. sheesh.


disagree, fine.....but at least try and understand.

El_Kabong

flywallyfly wrote:

Nice experiment except you know them AND you work with them so I dont think they are gonna go off on you on the clock. Try it with random black people you have no connection to. Plus, dont show them what Nader said, just say it like it was from your head and your thought. Good luck.

i think if it said nigger instead of uncle tom they would have felt it was a racist statement even if it was written down. what is the difference of me saying it and them reading it? i didn't say who said it, i just showed the quote and asked them if they thought it was racist, i can almost guarantee they would've said yes had the word been nigger or kike

flywallyfly

El_Kabong wrote:

i think if it said nigger instead of uncle tom they would have felt it was a racist statement even if it was written down. what is the difference of me saying it and them reading it? i didn't say who said it, i just showed the quote and asked them if they thought it was racist, i can almost guarantee they would've said yes had the word been nigger or kike

Fine, if it makes you feel tingly about Nader then I'll retract all my negative statements about Nader. He is no racist. The man is my hero. I'm sorry I ever doubted the man. I swear I'll collect signatures for him to get on the ballot in Texas in 2012.

El_Kabong

decides2dream wrote:

well in fairness...didn't you also quote them clinging to their guns and religion, along with being anit-immigrant? yes...what a slur!


whatever...way to dodge the issue, repeatedly, in the thread.


personally, i have yet to see one really good reason for anyone to support nader's comments. this comes the closest:






and yea, we're dealing. honestly, couldn't care less in the scheme of things...but if people are going to discuss the topic, the language, give it a fre pass...go for it. i will not be one of em, no matter who makes the comment and poorly chosen, even if he well thought it out.

i agree he's smart and chooses his words...i absolutely agree he meant it.
it's just not a meaning that i think is relevant.

what am i dodging??

yeah deal w/ it that only you, flywallyfly, victory gin, sweetpotato and fox news care about this

i know he said the guns and religion, but those aren't racially motivated, you asked how they were, those aren't but saying someone didn't vote for me b/c they dislike immigrants IS

El_Kabong

VictoryGin wrote:

actually i'd prefer if you called it "witty wordplay."

i must have missed your reply when i asked before? was it classy or 'witty wordplay' when obama said he lost the pennsylvania primary b/c the voters cling to their guns and religion and are anti-semtic?

El_Kabong

flywallyfly wrote:

Fine, if it makes you feel tingly about Nader then I'll retract all my negative statements about Nader. He is no racist. The man is my hero. I'm sorry I ever doubted the man. I swear I'll collect signatures for him to get on the ballot in Texas in 2012.

ummmm...thanks? why do some ppl take disagreements so personally?

El_Kabong

btw, nader has also said obama is one of the smartest ppl ever to run for president

decides2dream

El_Kabong wrote:

what am i dodging??

yeah deal w/ it that only you, flywallyfly, victory gin, sweetpotato and fox news care about this

i know he said the guns and religion, but those aren't racially motivated, you asked how they were, those aren't but saying someone didn't vote for me b/c they dislike immigrants IS

*bangs head*



i will type in all caps so perhaps you will get it:

IT IS RACIALLY LOADED LANGUAGE AND COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY.

El_Kabong

decides2dream wrote:

*bangs head*



i will type in all caps so perhaps you will get it:

IT IS RACIALLY LOADED LANGUAGE AND COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY.

TO YOU, FLYWALLYFLY, VICTORY GIN, SWEET POTATO, FOX NEWS AND.....NO ONE ELSE

what was i dodging?

decides2dream

El_Kabong wrote:

what am i dodging??

yeah deal w/ it that only you, flywallyfly, victory gin, sweetpotato and fox news care about this

i know he said the guns and religion, but those aren't racially motivated, you asked how they were, those aren't but saying someone didn't vote for me b/c they dislike immigrants IS

*bangs head*



i will type in all caps so perhaps you will get it:

IT IS RACIALLY LOADED LANGUAGE AND COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY.

THAT is what you seem to be dodging. you cannot admit it serves NO purpose whatsoever. i *GET* the analogy, the witty wordplay......but if ANY OTHER PERSON were elected president, one who was NOT BLACK...he'd not use the language, so WHY use it?



and, once again...i have said, repeatedly...i DON'T CARE about his comments, would NOT have even KNOWN about them except for this thread! the topic of language usage interests me, and so i DISCUSSED the THREAD TOPIC!


and i am sorry, i STILL don't see how it is racially loaded to say one didn't vote for a candidate b/c they are anti-immigrant. i just don't see it. at all. but that wasn't even what this topic was about....it was about this one comment. that is all.




sorry, for seem reason i apparently must've hit 'submit' before i actually finished my post......:p




and btw - whether people will come out and say it or not, it IS racially loaded language, period. whether one thinks it's appropriate is entirely something else.

FiveB247x

I can't believe this thread is still going on....

Some one call the WAAAMMMMbulance....a big bad mean man called another person a term I don't like or didn't appreciate.

Seriously, how soft and pathetic is our society where words really hurt people? Not even directly, but indirectly - even worse!

decides2dream

FiveB247x wrote:

I can't believe this thread is still going on....

Some one call the WAAAMMMMbulance....a big bad mean man called another person a term I don't like or didn't appreciate.

Seriously, how soft and pathetic is our society where words really hurt people? Not even directly, but indirectly - even worse!

hahahahahahahahahahaha!
awesome!


who's hurt?
and seriously, if that's all you get out of this...good for you.
some of us are interested in language, usage and intent. it's not *personal*...it's discussion.

Leatherman®

El_Kabong, you can add me to that list as well.

El_Kabong

Leatherman® wrote:

El_Kabong, you can add me to that list as well.

noted

FiveB247x

I'm not saying you personally, but our society is so soft and weak in regards to being offended or language that it really diminishes when we see real racism, discrimination and injustice. Sensationalization of media coverage and people is so over the top that we have really become so overtly politically correct, people have lost touch and don't see the forrest from the trees. I think this thread is an example of that.

Not to change topics, but I think the recent issue with Imus is a perfect example as well.

decides2dream wrote:

hahahahahahahahahahaha!
awesome!


who's hurt?
and seriously, if that's all you get out of this...good for you.
some of us are interested in language, usage and intent. it's not *personal*...it's discussion.

VictoryGin

El_Kabong wrote:

TO YOU, FLYWALLYFLY, VICTORY GIN, SWEET POTATO, FOX NEWS AND.....NO ONE ELSE

what was i dodging?

good lord. the only place this seems to be a concern is this board. i posted responses to the language because that's what the thread asked for. ultimately i'm not concerned about this incident because 1. this is only a concern on this board and not seemingly relevant to the rest of the nation. 2. i have other things to occupy my time.

but it seems that it doesn't matter what anyone says because it's not getting through apparently.

flywallyfly, your response about the scientific poll was great.

d2d, i don't know how you do it. you have amazing patience.

decides2dream

VictoryGin wrote:

good lord. the only place this seems to be a concern is this board. i posted responses to the language because that's what the thread asked for. ultimately i'm not concerned about this incident because 1. this is only a concern on this board and not seemingly relevant to the rest of the nation. 2. i have other things to occupy my time.

but it seems that it doesn't matter what anyone says because it's not getting through apparently.

flywallyfly, your response about the scientific poll was great.

d2d, i don't know how you do it. you have amazing patience.

hahaha, seriously, i really don't have that kind of patience. i just at the moment have an enourmous amount of free time at work, my work is very much feast or famine......and sure, i am a wee bit anal retentive.


it is curious to me though, continually being baited with what was being 'dodged' and when, once again, i clearly spell it out...nada......

decides2dream wrote:

i will type in all caps so perhaps you will get it:

IT IS RACIALLY LOADED LANGUAGE AND COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY.

THAT is what you seem to be dodging. you cannot admit it serves NO purpose whatsoever. i *GET* the analogy, the witty wordplay......but if ANY OTHER PERSON were elected president, one who was NOT BLACK...he'd not use the language, so WHY use it?

i've read thru this thread a couple times, yes...work really IS that slow at the moment, and i see my *points* conveniently ignored/dodged numerous times, i clearly stated my views, NOT racist, etc, etc, ad nauseuem...but...whatever..........c'est la vie.....

flywallyfly

El_Kabong wrote:

ummmm...thanks? why do some ppl take disagreements so personally?

I'm not taking it personally. I just give up trying to argue that what he said was wrong. Obviously many people who ignored his other misgivings and hypocritical stances surely will not suddenly see Nader for what he is. That is fine, it doesnt concern me for another 4 years. I'm done with Nader now ....