If the 9/11 Conspiracy theories are ever proven?

gue_barium

godpt3 wrote:

Hardcore theorists are just as, in not more so, dangerous than religious fanatics.

That's quite a leap in logic.

I'll be watching you.

godpt3

gue_barium wrote:

I'll be watching you.

hmmm, maybe I should set up a webcam and charge a fee


nah, I wouldn't want to bore you to death

gue_barium

godpt3 wrote:

hmmm, maybe I should set up a webcam and charge a fee


nah, I wouldn't want to bore you to death

hehee.

I have to ask. Do you actually believe the things you post?

Assuming the answer is yes, do you ever take the time to question your conclusions? Or, even read what is written, and study the content?

Byrnzie

John Pilger on the 9/11 Stand-down

This is the final part of John Pilger's article
"Iraq: the unthinkable becomes normal"
published in the UK's New Statesman, 15th November 2004.

Flying into Philadelphia recently, I spotted the Kean congressional report on 11 September from the 9/11 Commission on sale at the bookstalls. "How many do you sell?" I asked. "One or two," was the reply. "It'll disappear soon." Yet, this modest, blue-covered book is a revelation. Like the Butler report in the UK, which detailed all the incriminating evidence of Blair's massaging of intelligence before the invasion of Iraq, then pulled its punches and concluded nobody was responsible, so the Kean report makes excruciatingly clear what really happened, then fails to draw the conclusions that stare it in the face. It is a supreme act of normalising the unthinkable. This is not surprising, as the conclusions are volcanic.

The most important evidence to the 9/11 Commission came from General Ralph Eberhart, commander of the North American Aerospace Defence Command (NORAD). "Air force jet fighters could have intercepted hijacked airliners roaring towards the World Trade Center and Pentagon," he said, "if only air traffic controllers had asked for help 13 minutes sooner ... We would have been able to shoot down all three ... all four of them."

Why did this not happen?

The Kean report makes clear that "the defence of US aerospace on 9/11 was not conducted in accord with pre-existing training and protocols ... If a hijack was confirmed, procedures called for the hijack coordinator on duty to contact the Pentagon's National Military Command Center (NMCC) ... The NMCC would then seek approval from the office of the Secretary of Defence to provide military assistance ... "

Uniquely, this did not happen. The commission was told by the deputy administrator of the Federal Aviation Authority that there was no reason the procedure was not operating that morning. "For my 30 years of experience ..." said Monte Belger, "the NMCC was on the net and hearing everything real-time ... I can tell you I've lived through dozens of hijackings ... and they were always listening in with everybody else."

But on this occasion, they were not. The Kean report says the NMCC was never informed. Why? Again, uniquely, all lines of communication failed, the commission was told, to America's top military brass. Donald Rumsfeld, secretary of defence, could not be found; and when he finally spoke to Bush an hour and a half later, it was, says the Kean report, "a brief call in which the subject of shoot-down authority was not discussed". As a result, Norad's commanders were "left in the dark about what their mission was".

The report reveals that the only part of a previously fail-safe command system that worked was in the White House where Vice-President Cheney was in effective control that day, and in close touch with the NMCC. Why did he do nothing about the first two hijacked planes? Why was the NMCC, the vital link, silent for the first time in its existence? Kean ostentatiously refuses to address this. Of course, it could be due to the most extraordinary combination of coincidences. Or it could not.

In July 2001, a top secret briefing paper prepared for Bush read: "We [the CIA and FBI] believe that OBL [Osama Bin Laden] will launch a significant terrorist attack against US and/or Israeli interests in the coming weeks. The attack will be spectacular and designed to inflict mass casualties against US facilities or interests. Attack preparations have been made. Attack will occur with little or no warning."

On the afternoon of 11 September, Donald Rumsfeld, having failed to act against those who had just attacked the United States, told his aides to set in motion an attack on Iraq — when the evidence was non-existent. Eighteen months later, the invasion of Iraq, unprovoked and based on lies now documented, took place. This epic crime is the greatest political scandal of our time, the latest chapter in the long 20th-century history of the west's conquests of other lands and their resources. If we allow it to be normalised, if we refuse to question and probe the hidden agendas and unaccountable secret power structures at the heart of "democratic" governments and if we allow the people of Fallujah to be crushed in our name, we surrender both democracy and humanity.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Everyone just fell asleep and all at the same time. Anyone who was on their game was told to stand down by the newly self appointed Cheney.

...must have been the cheap booze open house White House party sept 10.

people were sleepy and cranky. The rest had the shits...

Byrnzie

onelongsong wrote:

the media is for the sheep. life is too short. go out and live. make your own decisions. life follows logical progression. if it isn't logical; it probably isn't true. if bush put the 9/11 attack together in 8 months the man is a genius. if people were able to sneek in and cut support beams for an implosion without anyone seeing that's incredable. we should build churches in his honor. most importantly; if you found out the one person responsable; how would that effect your life? how would your life be better? i've done more in 51 years then most people do in 2 lifetimes. i only concern myself with what effects me and my life. i have the time to prove theories myself and i make my decisions based on that. i could be wrong or i could be right. but being wrong or right doesn't effect my life. i could spend days researching every theory but in the end i'll never get that time back. just as i'll never get back the time i spend at this bloody computer. be aware of what happens around you; but don't forget to live.

True. Although I believe that it is inherent in people the need to cut away the bullshit and to dig for the truth. Something as significant as 9/11 - if only because of what it generated afterwards - will obviously cause people to ask questions. And there are just too many unanswered questions surrounding 9/11 for it to be left alone. I don't for a minute believe that the Bush administration planned 9/11. I am pretty sure, from looking at the evidence, however, that they knew all about the plans for the attacks, and that they allowed the attacks to happen. They wanted a new Pearl Harbour, and they got one.

DriftingByTheStorm

Byrnzie wrote:

Donald Rumsfeld, secretary of defence, could not be found; and when he finally spoke to Bush an hour and a half later, it was, says the Kean report, "a brief call in which the subject of shoot-down authority was not discussed". As a result, Norad's commanders were "left in the dark about what their mission was".

The report reveals that the only part of a previously fail-safe command system that worked was in the White House where Vice-President Cheney was in effective control that day, and in close touch with the NMCC. Why did he do nothing about the first two hijacked planes?

So let me get this straight,
Rumsfeld just happened to be MIA to give any shoot down order, and Cheney failed to issue one himself?

Interesting.

So i WONDER what THIS GUY is talking about?
Norman Mineta, Transportation Secretary, Testifying About Staff Asking Cheney "DO THE ORDERS STILL STAND"?

IF NO SHOOT DOWN ORDER WAS GIVEN, WHAT THE FUCK IS MINETA TALKING ABOUT !?!

Also, his testimony conflicts with the official timeline of The 911 Omissions Report, which states Cheney did not arrive until 8:50 or so ... though Mineta would put him there roughly 30 minutes earlier ...

Think it may have been a confused testimony?
Norman Minetal INSISTS ON THE ACCURACY OF HIS TIME FRAME to a 911 truther ... calling the 911 Ommissions Report account "interesting" and not accurate!

WHAT THE FUCK !?!

Byrnzie

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

So let me get this straight,
Rumsfeld just happened to be MIA to give any shoot down order, and Cheney failed to issue one himself?

Interesting.

So i WONDER what THIS GUY is talking about?
Norman Mineta, Transportation Secretary, Testifying About Staff Asking Cheney "DO THE ORDERS STILL STAND"?

IF NO SHOOT DOWN ORDER WAS GIVEN, WHAT THE FUCK IS MINETA TALKING ABOUT !?!

Also, his testimony conflicts with the official timeline of The 911 Omissions Report, which states Cheney did not arrive until 8:50 or so ... though Mineta would put him there roughly 30 minutes earlier ...

Think it may have been a confused testimony?
Norman Minetal INSISTS ON THE ACCURACY OF HIS TIME FRAME to a 911 truther ... calling the 911 Ommissions Report account "interesting" and not accurate!

WHAT THE FUCK !?!

As for the 9/11 Ommission, read this:

http://www.antiwar.com/sperry/?articleid=2209

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Does the order still stand? Of course the order still stands....no anchovies on mine... I told you!

It was all just about I pizza I guess...

Fox news is my hero!

audome25

JamMastaE wrote:

what is ridiculous is that you think some "goat herders" were smart enough and skilled enough to pull off 9-11.

so ex-military mercenaries(who murder for profit all over the world,see Black Water) are too incompetent to be able to pull this off but a group of rag tag "extremists" drew up the plans on the dirt floor of a cave and were able to penetrate the most advanced most OVER funded security system in the world?

you're a bunch of lemmings.

well they were able to get Phds.....

audome25

JamMastaE wrote:

and all this ignorance is the fuel propelling us forward to a certain doom.
it's now or never,we are at the threshhold of tyranny

did our "president" just try to get rid of term limitations?

audome25

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I guess some people think the towers are just waiting to come down all the time,

they call that potential energy.

audome25

spiral out wrote:

Have you done any reading on propaganda?

propaganda is a great tool to discredit or vilinize a group of people you don't like. you don't even need facts. you couls even use conspir.....

audome25

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I don't see how it can happen top to bottom like an avalanche without any (or seemingly very negligible) upwards resistance to slow or even halt the process.

if the air below wasn't able to escape below the "avalanche" that would be sound theory. kinetic energy and inertia are a bitch.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

audome25 wrote:

if the air below wasn't able to escape below the "avalanche" that would be sound theory. kinetic energy and inertia are a bitch.

apparently...as no upward forces protested...amazing how steel and concrete can become akin to thin air.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Interesting read. I'll probably add pertinent paragraphs, time permitting..

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/seal01.htm

edit: read it...it's good.

audome25

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

apparently...as no upward forces protested...amazing how steel and concrete can become akin to thin air.

if you are thinking equal and opposite, it doesn't quite work like that.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

audome25 wrote:

if you are thinking equal and opposite, it doesn't quite work like that.

no...not entirely, but some, enough to offset a near gravity collapse one would imagine right or wrong.

The details are quite trivial to the big picture going on however. I do find it interesting somewhat though.

The semantics of the deed itself pales to the circumstances surrounding it, and all the people involved.

spiral out

onelongsong wrote:

the media is for the sheep. life is too short. go out and live. make your own decisions. life follows logical progression. if it isn't logical; it probably isn't true. if bush put the 9/11 attack together in 8 months the man is a genius. if people were able to sneek in and cut support beams for an implosion without anyone seeing that's incredable. we should build churches in his honor. most importantly; if you found out the one person responsable; how would that effect your life? how would your life be better? i've done more in 51 years then most people do in 2 lifetimes. i only concern myself with what effects me and my life. i have the time to prove theories myself and i make my decisions based on that. i could be wrong or i could be right. but being wrong or right doesn't effect my life. i could spend days researching every theory but in the end i'll never get that time back. just as i'll never get back the time i spend at this bloody computer. be aware of what happens around you; but don't forget to live.

Don't worry about me, i'm out there living my life.

spiral out

godpt3 wrote:

Secrecy breeds conspiracy theorists, and the rantings of crazed theorists only serve to further obfuscate the truth, which is usually much more mundane than we care to admit. It's a vicious cycle, but one that's very effective.

Hmm thats very interesting but i don't think the truth about America's involvement in controlling South America is particularly mundane.

And i think your kidding yourself if you think that the people in power only try to cover up there mundane mistakes, not everyone is that stupid all the time.