If the 9/11 Conspiracy theories are ever proven?

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  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    JamMastaE wrote:
    you wore a helmet on that little bus to school,didn't you.


    yeah.. you were sitting next to me with tin foil on your head to keep out the brainwaves the government was aiming at us, and holding your breath when you saw contrails in the sky.
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  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,236
    blackredyellow wrote:
    The 9/11 conspiracies will never be proven... If George Bush came out today and said the whole thing was an setup and they orchestrated everything, half of the hard core conspiracy people wouldn't believe him and instead start conspiracies as to why he would come out and admit it now, and pick apart everything he said to disprove it.

    I would cause at this point it's extremely hard to believe anything that comes out of his mouth, he's proven that much.

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  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    g under p wrote:
    I would cause at this point it's extremely hard to believe anything that comes out of his mouth, he's proven that much.

    Peace

    That's what I'm saying... between the fact that you can't believe a word he says and the conspiracy theorist need to find a conspiracy in everything, him admitting it may even cause more conspiracy theories.
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  • JamMastaE
    JamMastaE Posts: 444
    blackredyellow wrote:
    holding your breath when you saw contrails in the sky.

    that's CHEMTRAILS!!!

    so i guess you are not aware how the brain works and that it CAN be controlled by magnetic frequencies.
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    Proof goes a long way in my book.
    If it is proven that the Conspiracy Theories are correct... I will admit I was wrong... just as if Iraq turns into the Nebraska of the Middle East... I will admit that I had it all wrong.
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  • godpt3
    godpt3 Posts: 1,020
    to paraphrase Jack Kemp...


    I knew Fox Mulder.
    Fox Mulder was a friend of mine.
    You, sir, are no Fox Mulder.



    :D
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    haha, I just heard this

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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Anyone that can think logically....listen to the facts of the matter posed by this gentleman in this video:

    What exactly causes (hundreds of tiny pieces) of shattered?! (shattered...how?) bone fragments to fly outwards hundreds of feet onto neighboring roofs? Many of these pieces of bone are as small as one sixteenth of an inch.

    Anyone care to explain how this is possible in a simple passive collapse?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1rlf7nuuMY

    more on bone fragments:
    http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2006/04/more_wtc_bone_f.html

    good view of the WTC area (Deutsche bank is the black building at the bottom of the pic)
    Bone fragments somehow made it all the way over there:
    http://www.declarepeace.org.uk/captain/murder_inc/site/pics/wtc6.jpg

    tower turning to dust as it's coming down:
    http://www.declarepeace.org.uk/captain/murder_inc/site/pics/wtc011.JPG

    anyone?
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  • godpt3
    godpt3 Posts: 1,020
    JamMastaE wrote:
    that's CHEMTRAILS!!!

    It's called water condensation, genius
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  • JamMastaE
    JamMastaE Posts: 444
    godpt3 wrote:
    It's called water condensation, genius


    condensation doesn't spread out and consume the sky "genius"

    man a lot of you people around here really have a slave mentality and it makes me sick.
    "In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot". Mark Twain


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  • godpt3
    godpt3 Posts: 1,020
    JamMastaE wrote:
    condensation doesn't spread out

    yes it does. Ever heard of the Jet Stream???
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  • JamMastaE
    JamMastaE Posts: 444
    godpt3 wrote:
    yes it does. Ever heard of the Jet Stream???


    look,growing up i used to dream about flying jets.on those long hot summer days i remember watching them fly over head and being amazed.i would watch the CONTRAIL as they flew by,i would watch it slowly DISSIPATE and fade away in less than 20 minutes or so.

    NOW i watch these plane flying in cross patterns,criss crossing all day laying these thick plumes that after 20 minutes are not gone.NOOOOO,not at all,in fact they SPREAD OUT and on days of heavy spraying TOTALLY CONSUME THE SKY.now if you are going to sit here and say it's a conspiracy when the shit is going on right above your head then you are either blind or stupid.it's that simple.
    "In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot". Mark Twain


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    Emiliano Zapata
  • godpt3
    godpt3 Posts: 1,020
    JamMastaE wrote:
    NOW i watch these plane flying in cross patterns,criss crossing all day laying these thick plumes that after 20 minutes are not gone.

    It's not some big conspiracy. It's called air pollution. Did you ever stop to consider that the amount of air traffic has considerably increased in the last 20 years???
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  • JamMastaE
    JamMastaE Posts: 444
    godpt3 wrote:
    It's not some big conspiracy. It's called air pollution. Did you ever stop to consider that the amount of air traffic has considerably increased in the last 20 years???


    obviously you have not studied this phenomenon nearly enough.

    no it has nothing to do with increased air traffic,these planes are up there solely with the specific purpose of spraying these CHEM-TRAILS.

    http://www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm

    this link is all you need to start you education.
    "In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot". Mark Twain


    "I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
    Emiliano Zapata
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    fraidknot wrote:
    PJ_Gurl, To my knowledge, the "official story" has been proven. Much more proven then small crackpot ideas that poke small tiny holes in a giant set of complicated facts. Its these theories that are called theories for a reason... they can't be proven.

    If we reverse the laws of science and all that... and by some chance, a missile shot from a white jet flown by Dick Chaney was shot into the twin towers, where all the Muslims didn’t go to work that day, and a team of black ops commandos who live on George Bush's Crawford ranch were able to rig explosives overnight, so that it would explode faster when the one missile hit it and then the other towers and then building 7 before coming to rest in JFKs stolen brain and then that was all done again at the pentagon, and then flight 93 didn’t exist, but instead its passengers were taken to Area 51 where the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus forced them to board Alien vessels to Mars, and the hole in the ground where it supposedly crashed was made by Halliburton testing nuclear explosives...

    So to answer your question... If all that happend...then... we could call all the people who believe the "official story" idiots.... and we would feel really a lot better about ourselves...

    More seriously; Its your right to be disrespectful to others in America, and the speech of those who disagree with the government is protected by the government first and foremost... but it would be a better place to live if the families who lost a mom, a dad, a brother, a sister, a friend to a violent attack... didn’t have to deal with it over and over again every time some crackpot comes up with another theory...

    just my 2 cents on a question that realy cannot be answered, IMO.

    There are plenty of anomalies, and suspicious facts related to 9/11, which do not fall under the category of 'theory'.
    Here's one: Why was America's East coast air defence ordered to stand down on 9/11 until it was too late? Why did this same air defence system fail that day for the first time that year? Was it perhaps because Dick Cheney had just been placed in charge of it?

    http://www.serendipity.li/wot/pilger_on_standdown.htm

    Here's another: The government were in possession of detailed information relating to Al Quedas plans to hijack commercial airliners within the U.S and to fly them into key targets. The government did nothing with this information and then later denied having possessed it. They lied to the 9/11 commission, over and over again. Why?

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/01/AR2006080101300.html

    http://www.counterpunch.org/whitney08022004.html
  • godpt3
    godpt3 Posts: 1,020
    JamMastaE wrote:

    http://www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm

    Those are some nice cloud pictures there, Lou. Good work.


    For a chemical to be dispersed at 30,000 feet and have any negligible impact at sea level, do you understand the concentration you would need? Or are you telling me that all the airliners come with drop tanks now?
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  • Skitch Patterson
    Skitch Patterson Posts: 642
    i respect peoples rights to believe, and discuss their theories that 9/11 was an inside job, or whatever side they want to believe. But this forum is really becoming an awful example of hate filled judgments of anyone with a differing viewpoint.

    all this "if you cant see its _______, then you are stupid" really is not reasonable debate.

    Regardless of an individuals viewpoint, this constant mindset of superiority because of what you believe is similar to a religious nut thinking your soul is doomed. I really think the mods should start doling out some warnings to those (on both sides) that are saying things like this. This passive aggressive condescending bullshit is really killing any potential for reasoned debate.


    in this thread alone...

    "you wore a helmet on that little bus to school,didn't you."

    "when the shit is going on right above your head then you are either blind or stupid.it's that simple."

    "That sounds so informed"- obviously condescending.

    "sorry,you're the "conspiracy theorists" and "nut jobs" for believing such nonsense.
    you're a bunch of lemmings."

    Along with the implication that someone is "thick as a brick".


    It was better here during the days of threats, cursing and anger then this bullshit.
  • JamMastaE
    JamMastaE Posts: 444
    Skitch Patterson wrote:
    i respect peoples rights to believe, and discuss their theories that 9/11 was an inside job, or whatever side they want to believe. But this forum is really becoming an awful example of hate filled judgments of anyone with a differing viewpoint.

    all this "if you cant see its _______, then you are stupid" really is not reasonable debate.

    Regardless of an individuals viewpoint, this constant mindset of superiority because of what you believe is similar to a religious nut thinking your soul is doomed. I really think the mods should start doling out some warnings to those (on both sides) that are saying things like this. This passive aggressive condescending bullshit is really killing any potential for reasoned debate.


    in this thread alone...

    "you wore a helmet on that little bus to school,didn't you."

    "when the shit is going on right above your head then you are either blind or stupid.it's that simple."

    "That sounds so informed"- obviously condescending.

    "sorry,you're the "conspiracy theorists" and "nut jobs" for believing such nonsense.
    you're a bunch of lemmings."

    Along with the implication that someone is "thick as a brick".


    It was better here during the days of threats, cursing and anger then this bullshit.



    i'll put it like this,this country is on a downward spiral into oblivion.we are a car racing toward a brick wall and all this ignorance is the fuel propelling us forward to a certain doom.

    the house is on fire and people are just watching TV and talking on the phone like nothings wrong,now i can only tell you so many times in a nice way to "get out of the house" before it becomes "get your stupid ass the fuck out of here or your going to burn to death" and seeing as we are all "chained" together,I'm going down in the house too,i am suffering because you're too stupid to jump out a window.

    it's now or never,we are at the threshhold of tyranny and the direction we take is going to effect many things & people for many years to come.the time for pleasant conversations is over so I'm sorry if i seem like an asshole for attacking idiots who perpetuate ignorance.the actual truth is i don't attack them for not knowing something,i attack when they tell me I'm crazy or a nut job or any of the other shit these dim-wits CALL ME.it becomes very frustrating trying to show people the light when they have been trained to embrace the darkness.

    And it's never someone who is at least trying to keep an open mind.i only diss the ones who as you said "are condescending".and no i won't give up because the alternative is a future i don't want for my child or anyone else's.
    "In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot". Mark Twain


    "I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
    Emiliano Zapata
  • godpt3
    godpt3 Posts: 1,020
    JamMastaE wrote:
    And it's never someone who is at least trying to keep an open mind.i only diss the ones who as you said "are condescending".and no i won't give up because the alternative is a future i don't want for my child or anyone else's.

    do you ever get the feeling you're pissing in a river, just to watch it rise?
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  • 69charger
    69charger Posts: 1,045
    Skitch Patterson wrote:
    i respect peoples rights to believe, and discuss their theories that 9/11 was an inside job, or whatever side they want to believe. But this forum is really becoming an awful example of hate filled judgments of anyone with a differing viewpoint.

    So much for...

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=212754

    I do prefer it now to when you could get banned for basically anything.

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