I'm pretty sure Zarathustra was a man. I asked you just the other day if you were Zoroastrian and you replied "Just converted". Had you been Zarathustrian at any point in your life, you'd know who Zarathustra was. Zarathustra/Zoroaster was the prophet of Mazda, the first uncreated creator of all things.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I'm pretty sure Zarathustra was a man. I asked you just the other day if you were Zoroastrian and you replied "Just converted". Had you been Zarathustrian at any point in your life, you'd know who Zarathustra was. Zarathustra/Zoroaster was the prophet of Mazda, the first uncreated creator of all things.
*lays down her sword and submits*
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
So subtly is the fume of life designed
to clarify the pulse and cloud the mind
and leave us once again, undone.. possessed.
...
Be yourself- those who mind dont matter
and those who matter dont mind.
There is nothing inherently special about human life.
i love, love, love this statement. i will not pretend to know the reasons behind why ahnimus made it here, but for me, it is the absolute truth. and i say this as a true LOVER of life, living, being alive and ALL that encompasses....with great respect and reverence for simply *being* alive, here......and all else too.
all that said, i am not a vegetarian, i am pro-choice, i do on occasion squash bugs, etc. so i am not fanatical about keeping things 'alive' simply to be 'alive' per se. however, i do believe as stated, there IS nothing inherently special about human life...meaning: it is no more special than any other life. WE, as a species, put a higher value on it...b/c we ARE human, and thus think we're pretty damn special. in the scheme of things, most species protect their own, so it is purely logical. we are much more highly evolved thinkers, and thus can make up many more *reasons* for what makes us so special, and important...or whatever other arbitrary rationale you want to put behind it. some may even argue that humans invented *god(s)* to justify their own self-importance over other creatures. maybe, maybe not...i don't even want to get involved in such an arguement...
however, yea.....since we ARE such highly evolved thinkers, which is brilliant and amazing...and can add so much further *value* in our own minds to our individual lives, perhaps more enjoyment, whatever......but yea, why would we truly believe, objectively, that our lives are more valuable? why should one think a cluster of cells perhaps a few days old.....have such inherent value simply b/c they possess the possibility of forming a human life? why?
there are instances time and again where we as a species show utter disrespect for so much life...even of those of our own species, existing right now out in the world.....so why? i can think of countless examples and i do just wonder, for such evolved thinkers, why do we think we're just so damn *important*...? seriously. the world would keep spinning without each and every one of us. just a thought.
also, don't mean to derail this thread...but it does seem to have gone off on a few meandering tangents, and this statement just SO struck me as right on....that i simply had to address it.
i LOVE being alive and all it encompasses, but yea i do realize....my life is uber important to ME...perhaps to those who care about me.....perhaps to some degree who's life may intersect and/or affect mine and vice versa....and even if i were uber *important* to our species, even still, in the scheme of *LIFE* as in.....with a capital L....it really isn't *important*...and i don't think of that as negative, or fatalistic...but merely...i am a part of life...and life is a part of me...and so the cycle goes, etc, etc............so yea..........
i love, love, love this statement. i will not pretend to know the reasons behind why ahnimus made it here, but for me, it is the absolute truth. and i say this as a true LOVER of life, living, being alive and ALL that encompasses....with great respect and reverence for simply *being* alive, here......and all else too.
all that said, i am not a vegetarian, i am pro-choice, i do on occasion squash bugs, etc. so i am not fanatical about keeping things 'alive' simply to be 'alive' per se. however, i do believe as stated, there IS nothing inherently special about human life...meaning: it is no more special than any other life. WE, as a species, put a higher value on it...b/c we ARE human, and thus think we're pretty damn special. in the scheme of things, most species protect their own, so it is purely logical. we are much more highly evolved thinkers, and thus can make up many more *reasons* for what makes us so special, and important...or whatever other arbitrary rationale you want to put behind it. some may even argue that humans invented *god(s)* to justify their own self-importance over other creatures. maybe, maybe not...i don't even want to get involved in such an arguement...
however, yea.....since we ARE such highly evolved thinkers, which is brilliant and amazing...and can add so much further *value* in our own minds to our individual lives, perhaps more enjoyment, whatever......but yea, why would we truly believe, objectively, that our lives are more valuable? why should one think a cluster of cells perhaps a few days old.....have such inherent value simply b/c they possess the possibility of forming a human life? why?
there are instances time and again where we as a species show utter disrespect for so much life...even of those of our own species, existing right now out in the world.....so why? i can think of countless examples and i do just wonder, for such evolved thinkers, why do we think we're just so damn *important*...? seriously. the world would keep spinning without each and every one of us. just a thought.
also, don't mean to derail this thread...but it does seem to have gone off on a few meandering tangents, and this statement just SO struck me as right on....that i simply had to address it.
i LOVE being alive and all it encompasses, but yea i do realize....my life is uber important to ME...perhaps to those who care about me.....perhaps to some degree who's life may intersect and/or affect mine and vice versa....and even if i were uber *important* to our species, even still, in the scheme of *LIFE* as in.....with a capital L....it really isn't *important*...and i don't think of that as negative, or fatalistic...but merely...i am a part of life...and life is a part of me...and so the cycle goes, etc, etc............so yea..........
Well said, I couldn't agree more
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
btw - i am cold-stone sober.
just thought i'd point that out....hahaha. i reread what i wrote after i posted it and just thought hell, everyone will simply think i am high. seriously, i just read that above quoted statement and thought....yea....EXACTLY! and my mind just went off........
btw - i am cold-stone sober.
just thought i'd point that out....hahaha. i reread what i wrote after i posted it and just thought hell, everyone will simply think i am high. seriously, i just read that above quoted statement and thought....yea....EXACTLY! and my mind just went off........
I'm sober too
We humans are pretty damned impressed with ourselves. Understandable, I suppose, but if you stop to think about it, it doesn't really make much sense. I won't start up with the eggs and acorns again , but I don't see how destroying something that might someday become a baby is the same thing as killing a baby.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
We humans are pretty damned impressed with ourselves. Understandable, I suppose, but if you stop to think about it, it doesn't really make much sense. I won't start up with the eggs and acorns again , but I don't see how destroying something that might someday become a baby is the same thing as killing a baby.
oooooooooooooooo...i LOVE the acorns and eggs analogy!
but yea, our whole concept of such 'self-importance'...well, if you remove that, it certainly changes a lot of things. in my mind, for the better. for this discussion, it really does so *fit* into how we may view it all and why...but really, for so much that we do, how we think, how we choose to live.....yea.......it really is mind-boggling.......
i know i was born, i know that i'll die
the inbetween is mine
i am mine
btw - i find oftentimes when i compare children and pets....in the psychology/care of such, looking after, 'training' if you will...oftentimes, many people get pissed off with me. :rolleyes: and in fact, that pisses me off. there are great, great similarities, and i say this from an informed/educated opinion...of both species.....and care.....so yea........hahaha. it's all that *importance* creeping in again......:p
kinda like when i question, in conversation, the practice of leaving a dog unattended, tied up or not tied up, outside a store...especially on a busy street...and i ask 'would someone do that with a child?...so why with a dog?' etc, etc, etc......
it IS a fantabulous place to be.
and i edited my above post while you were responding i guess...added more ramblings semi-related to the thread topic. i do try......
...and this is just a guess, but I'd imagine most people on death row are more on the democratic side of things... so they're getting "wacked" from both sides!
i'd imagine most republicans just buy their way out or have strings pulled
i'd imagine even more on death row don't belong to a political party, altho it would seem failry obvious one on death row would be more supportive of the party that isn't so pro-death penalty
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
i love, love, love this statement. i will not pretend to know the reasons behind why ahnimus made it here, but for me, it is the absolute truth. and i say this as a true LOVER of life, living, being alive and ALL that encompasses....with great respect and reverence for simply *being* alive, here......and all else too.
all that said, i am not a vegetarian, i am pro-choice, i do on occasion squash bugs, etc. so i am not fanatical about keeping things 'alive' simply to be 'alive' per se. however, i do believe as stated, there IS nothing inherently special about human life...meaning: it is no more special than any other life. WE, as a species, put a higher value on it...b/c we ARE human, and thus think we're pretty damn special. in the scheme of things, most species protect their own, so it is purely logical. we are much more highly evolved thinkers, and thus can make up many more *reasons* for what makes us so special, and important...or whatever other arbitrary rationale you want to put behind it. some may even argue that humans invented *god(s)* to justify their own self-importance over other creatures. maybe, maybe not...i don't even want to get involved in such an arguement...
however, yea.....since we ARE such highly evolved thinkers, which is brilliant and amazing...and can add so much further *value* in our own minds to our individual lives, perhaps more enjoyment, whatever......but yea, why would we truly believe, objectively, that our lives are more valuable? why should one think a cluster of cells perhaps a few days old.....have such inherent value simply b/c they possess the possibility of forming a human life? why?
there are instances time and again where we as a species show utter disrespect for so much life...even of those of our own species, existing right now out in the world.....so why? i can think of countless examples and i do just wonder, for such evolved thinkers, why do we think we're just so damn *important*...? seriously. the world would keep spinning without each and every one of us. just a thought.
also, don't mean to derail this thread...but it does seem to have gone off on a few meandering tangents, and this statement just SO struck me as right on....that i simply had to address it.
i LOVE being alive and all it encompasses, but yea i do realize....my life is uber important to ME...perhaps to those who care about me.....perhaps to some degree who's life may intersect and/or affect mine and vice versa....and even if i were uber *important* to our species, even still, in the scheme of *LIFE* as in.....with a capital L....it really isn't *important*...and i don't think of that as negative, or fatalistic...but merely...i am a part of life...and life is a part of me...and so the cycle goes, etc, etc............so yea..........
Awesome post d2d....cannot say how much I agree with what you have just posted.....pretty much sums up anything I could conjure up about the subject....
Islam is the most popular religion world-wide, just search Google and look at the hits.
The pro-choice/pro-life difference is the result of being knowledgable or being ignorant.
this post itself is ignorant. it also comes down to what you find to be morally right. no, not what your religion says is moraly right, but what YOU as a person find morally right. The main thing I notice on this board is that both sides generalize about the other side an incredible amount, to the point where it nterferes with a lot of constructive discussion that could be going on, and instead there will be two pages arguing about a generalization.
I'm a deist, yet I'm also pro-choice. It has nothing to do with religion, simply what one person considers right and wrong and what another does.
this post itself is ignorant. it also comes down to what you find to be morally right. no, not what your religion says is moraly right, but what YOU as a person find morally right. The main thing I notice on this board is that both sides generalize about the other side an incredible amount, to the point where it nterferes with a lot of constructive discussion that could be going on, and instead there will be two pages arguing about a generalization.
I'm a deist, yet I'm also pro-choice. It has nothing to do with religion, simply what one person considers right and wrong and what another does.
And what they consider right and wrong is largely influenced by evolution, society and perception, including belief and knowledge.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Are you male or female?
How old are you?
Do you post anywhere other than "A Moving Train"?
Do you intentionally act like you know everything, or is it something you do unconsciously?
When life gives you lemons, throw them at somebody.
Are you male or female?
How old are you?
Do you post anywhere other than "A Moving Train"?
Do you intentionally act like you know everything, or is it something you do unconsciously?
hahahaha
sorry that last question made me laugh...i think he does know everything!
Are you male or female?
How old are you?
Do you post anywhere other than "A Moving Train"?
Do you intentionally act like you know everything, or is it something you do unconsciously?
Male
26
Skeptic.com and tvo.org currently
I only know what I know and I don't know what I don't know
I have a few topics that I've studied in-depth, abortion happens to be one of them. I haven't concerned myself too much with stuff like Roe vs Wade. I'm more interested in the prenatal development and the nature of life and morality. Human behaviour is my main area of interest.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
^ But why do you feel it is necessary to constantly argue with people? What is the point? You're not going to change a person's mind if they are set on what they believe. Sorry, it just seems like it would be a constant aggravation.
When life gives you lemons, throw them at somebody.
^ But why do you feel it is necessary to constantly argue with people? What is the point? You're not going to change a person's mind if they are set on what they believe. Sorry, it just seems like it would be a constant aggravation.
Its a debate.
People change all the time.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
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Doesn't this mean you should be Pro-Abortion? I mean, if it means a lesser number of your enemies in the future... wouldn't you see this as a good thing?
So you support killing those who disagree with you?
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
Awesome post d2d....cannot say how much I agree with what you have just posted.....pretty much sums up anything I could conjure up about the subject....
grazie.
sometimes those late-night ramblings actually are semi-coherent.
as i said, that statment by ahnimus, not that it's the first time i've seen or pondered that thought...but yea, seeing in this thread, one of those 'lightbulb' moments and that little hamster whell in my head went into overdrive until i purged those thoughts from my head right here.
personally, i do think it all quite suitable thoughts in this thread...but even in general. i think it would serve us, and particularly the planet and all the OTHER species who inhabit it too, far better if we used our intellect a bit more objectively, and yea...lightened up on the self-importance, rulers-of-the-planet attitude. just my 2 cents.
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Im a woman.
I laughed all day at the beach with my friends today, right now I feel like being intense.
I stand by my views on sarcasm.
Dont hate me now..;)
So subtly is the fume of life designed
to clarify the pulse and cloud the mind
and leave us once again, undone.. possessed.
...
Be yourself- those who mind dont matter
and those who matter dont mind.
sorry, I call everyone dude regardless of gender. Everyone is entitled to their opinion ... besides it's bad karma to hate someone on this board!
I'm pretty sure Zarathustra was a man. I asked you just the other day if you were Zoroastrian and you replied "Just converted". Had you been Zarathustrian at any point in your life, you'd know who Zarathustra was. Zarathustra/Zoroaster was the prophet of Mazda, the first uncreated creator of all things.
*lays down her sword and submits*
So subtly is the fume of life designed
to clarify the pulse and cloud the mind
and leave us once again, undone.. possessed.
...
Be yourself- those who mind dont matter
and those who matter dont mind.
i love, love, love this statement. i will not pretend to know the reasons behind why ahnimus made it here, but for me, it is the absolute truth. and i say this as a true LOVER of life, living, being alive and ALL that encompasses....with great respect and reverence for simply *being* alive, here......and all else too.
all that said, i am not a vegetarian, i am pro-choice, i do on occasion squash bugs, etc. so i am not fanatical about keeping things 'alive' simply to be 'alive' per se. however, i do believe as stated, there IS nothing inherently special about human life...meaning: it is no more special than any other life. WE, as a species, put a higher value on it...b/c we ARE human, and thus think we're pretty damn special. in the scheme of things, most species protect their own, so it is purely logical. we are much more highly evolved thinkers, and thus can make up many more *reasons* for what makes us so special, and important...or whatever other arbitrary rationale you want to put behind it. some may even argue that humans invented *god(s)* to justify their own self-importance over other creatures. maybe, maybe not...i don't even want to get involved in such an arguement...
however, yea.....since we ARE such highly evolved thinkers, which is brilliant and amazing...and can add so much further *value* in our own minds to our individual lives, perhaps more enjoyment, whatever......but yea, why would we truly believe, objectively, that our lives are more valuable? why should one think a cluster of cells perhaps a few days old.....have such inherent value simply b/c they possess the possibility of forming a human life? why?
there are instances time and again where we as a species show utter disrespect for so much life...even of those of our own species, existing right now out in the world.....so why? i can think of countless examples and i do just wonder, for such evolved thinkers, why do we think we're just so damn *important*...? seriously. the world would keep spinning without each and every one of us. just a thought.
also, don't mean to derail this thread...but it does seem to have gone off on a few meandering tangents, and this statement just SO struck me as right on....that i simply had to address it.
i LOVE being alive and all it encompasses, but yea i do realize....my life is uber important to ME...perhaps to those who care about me.....perhaps to some degree who's life may intersect and/or affect mine and vice versa....and even if i were uber *important* to our species, even still, in the scheme of *LIFE* as in.....with a capital L....it really isn't *important*...and i don't think of that as negative, or fatalistic...but merely...i am a part of life...and life is a part of me...and so the cycle goes, etc, etc............so yea..........
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
btw - i am cold-stone sober.
just thought i'd point that out....hahaha. i reread what i wrote after i posted it and just thought hell, everyone will simply think i am high.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
We humans are pretty damned impressed with ourselves. Understandable, I suppose, but if you stop to think about it, it doesn't really make much sense. I won't start up with the eggs and acorns again
oooooooooooooooo...i LOVE the acorns and eggs analogy!
but yea, our whole concept of such 'self-importance'...well, if you remove that, it certainly changes a lot of things. in my mind, for the better. for this discussion, it really does so *fit* into how we may view it all and why...but really, for so much that we do, how we think, how we choose to live.....yea.......it really is mind-boggling.......
i know i was born, i know that i'll die
the inbetween is mine
i am mine
btw - i find oftentimes when i compare children and pets....in the psychology/care of such, looking after, 'training' if you will...oftentimes, many people get pissed off with me. :rolleyes: and in fact, that pisses me off. there are great, great similarities, and i say this from an informed/educated opinion...of both species.....and care.....so yea........hahaha. it's all that *importance* creeping in again......:p
kinda like when i question, in conversation, the practice of leaving a dog unattended, tied up or not tied up, outside a store...especially on a busy street...and i ask 'would someone do that with a child?...so why with a dog?' etc, etc, etc......
fuckin' emoticon limits..........gggggggggrrrrrrrrrrrr
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
don't know if you've noticed my location ....
check my sig....;)
it IS a fantabulous place to be.
and i edited my above post while you were responding i guess...added more ramblings semi-related to the thread topic.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
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i'd imagine most republicans just buy their way out or have strings pulled
i'd imagine even more on death row don't belong to a political party, altho it would seem failry obvious one on death row would be more supportive of the party that isn't so pro-death penalty
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
I've noticed it for quite some time hippiemom...
Awesome post d2d....cannot say how much I agree with what you have just posted.....pretty much sums up anything I could conjure up about the subject....
this post itself is ignorant. it also comes down to what you find to be morally right. no, not what your religion says is moraly right, but what YOU as a person find morally right. The main thing I notice on this board is that both sides generalize about the other side an incredible amount, to the point where it nterferes with a lot of constructive discussion that could be going on, and instead there will be two pages arguing about a generalization.
I'm a deist, yet I'm also pro-choice. It has nothing to do with religion, simply what one person considers right and wrong and what another does.
And what they consider right and wrong is largely influenced by evolution, society and perception, including belief and knowledge.
Are you male or female?
How old are you?
Do you post anywhere other than "A Moving Train"?
Do you intentionally act like you know everything, or is it something you do unconsciously?
hahahaha
sorry that last question made me laugh...i think he does know everything!
Male
26
Skeptic.com and tvo.org currently
I only know what I know and I don't know what I don't know
I have a few topics that I've studied in-depth, abortion happens to be one of them. I haven't concerned myself too much with stuff like Roe vs Wade. I'm more interested in the prenatal development and the nature of life and morality. Human behaviour is my main area of interest.
Its a debate.
People change all the time.
So you support killing those who disagree with you?
-Enoch Powell
grazie.
sometimes those late-night ramblings actually are semi-coherent.
as i said, that statment by ahnimus, not that it's the first time i've seen or pondered that thought...but yea, seeing in this thread, one of those 'lightbulb' moments and that little hamster whell in my head went into overdrive until i purged those thoughts from my head right here.
personally, i do think it all quite suitable thoughts in this thread...but even in general. i think it would serve us, and particularly the planet and all the OTHER species who inhabit it too, far better if we used our intellect a bit more objectively, and yea...lightened up on the self-importance, rulers-of-the-planet attitude. just my 2 cents.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow