No, just the average american who cannot see the irony in bashing a man who's out there busting his ass to improve america, and who's actually done it! his entire life....that's what I refer to as pathetic.
Again.... he's done a good job with what he does
that doesn't make him White House material though.
It makes him...... Monk
Monk's a good detective but I can't see him as a diplomat
so he's not selfish...that's good...helping people is always good... I like him for that.
does he have something against spending money on himself, maybe taking a vacation, going on a cruise.... you know enjoying life... maybe see PJ in concert.
Does he have a problem with having some fun???
I don't want someone in office that believes I should live like he has
....that's all I'm saying.... again...I don't have any link to support my facts or credibility
I'm coming straight from the streets with this....
word!
Uhhh...you need to read your own post. Pretty sure you're making points for the good guys now...
He's not selfish = he won't hire lobbyists to run his shit. Instead, he'll work FOR THE PEOPLE. What do you not understand?
You can't see how Obama sleeping with big corporations is hurting the "average american"????
Nader doesn't expect anyone to live as he lives. He's his own person and that's what he chooses. Since when did running for president mean imposing your lifestyle on everyone? That's just fucking idiotic.
The thing is, Strangest Tribe, if you educate yourself then you will very likely find that Nader is WORKING for the things you really want, rather than Obama TALKING about them.
That's what I'm referring to when I say the average american is pathetic. We're pathetic because we're ignorant. Why are we ignorant? Because we're lazy. Because we watch TV all fucking night and call it "news".
So YOU are "the answer man"???
glad to meet you answer man.
I educated myself 2000-2004 when I worked for Nader and the Green Party
Uhhh...you need to read your own post. Pretty sure you're making points for the good guys now...
He's not selfish = he won't hire lobbyists to run his shit. Instead, he'll work FOR THE PEOPLE. What do you not understand?
You can't see how Obama sleeping with big corporations is hurting the "average american"????
Nader doesn't expect anyone to live as he lives. He's his own person and that's what he chooses. Since when did running for president mean imposing your lifestyle on everyone? That's just fucking idiotic.
Wow, you must be PMS-ing pretty hard, huh? I didn't curse AT you. It's not like I said, "Hey, Strangest Tribe, FUCK OFF!" Because I didn't. I just made a post on a thread, so calm yourself. Once you calm down you may be able to think a bit more clearly anyway...
You can't see how Obama sleeping with big corporations is hurting the "average american"????
He's spanking them on the ass making them his bitch.
c'mon.... sleeping with the big corporations huh?
Were you the one that scolded me yesterday for making blanket statements about Nader?
Let me ask you a question.
If your guy Nader was President, how long do you think he'd let the phone ring when company X came calling?
Do you think he'd answer the phone or let it ring?
Does he call them back or ignore them?
You know so much... tell me how it works.
Please I neeeeeeeeeeed to know. Sleeping with corporations sounds nasty.
Wow, you must be PMS-ing pretty hard, huh? I didn't curse AT you. It's not like I said, "Hey, Strangest Tribe, FUCK OFF!" Because I didn't. I just made a post on a thread, so calm yourself. Once you calm down you may be able to think a bit more clearly anyway...
I'm just messing with you. This isn't a hate thing.
He's spanking them on the ass making them his bitch.
c'mon.... sleeping with the big corporations huh?
Were you the one that scolded me yesterday for making blanket statements about Nader?
Let me ask you a question.
If your guy Nader was President, how long do you think he'd let the phone ring when company X came calling?
Do you think he'd answer the phone or let it ring?
Does he call them back or ignore them?
You know so much... tell me how it works.
Please I neeeeeeeeeeed to know. Sleeping with corporations sounds nasty.
yes, i think he would ignore them. he's not the one saying lobbyists would have jobs in his white house like obama has and also doesn't have pharmaceutical lobbyists as campaign chairs nor a federally indicted influence peddler on his finance committee
you think these ppl are giving him thousands and thousands of dollars w/o expecting anything in return? you think maybe it could've influenced his votes and stances like being against capping credit card interest rates at 30% and pushing nuclear power and coal?
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
yes, i think he would ignore them. he's not the one saying lobbyists would have jobs in his white house like obama has and also doesn't have pharmaceutical lobbyists as campaign chairs nor a federally indicted influence peddler on his finance committee
you think these ppl are giving him thousands and thousands of dollars w/o expecting anything in return? you think maybe it could've influenced his votes and stances like being against capping credit card interest rates at 30% and pushing nuclear power and coal?
so your answer is to ignore the lobbyists???
all of them, or just the EVIL ones???
would you ignore the AARP or the NAACP.... the lobby for the advancement of handicapped people.... the Coca Cola is a great soft drink lobby????
btw... I would be against a 30% cap on the credit card interest as well....because it basically allowed rates to go to 30% without cause.
I believe they expect a 20% or lower agreement by 2009.
...but that's just the word out there, I'm not gonna peck around for facts on this band's fan sight to reassure my credibility.
hey guess what??? they've all served in public office and the people are holding them accountable for every little move they've made.
makes a difference.
yep
i guess that's subjective...obama kept going to court until everyone else was thrown off the ballot or dropped out and won an uncontested senate race i don't see winning a race where no one but you is on the ballot as some great feat, sorry. and ppl aren't holding them accountable!!! obama's missed nearly 1/2 the votes in the senate since being elected! and not to mention the dems took the majority by promising things like ending the war...and they didn't do shit, they tried to put a withdrawl in once, bush said no and the dems....gave in and kept right on rubber stamping bush's wishes.
same w/ the FISA issues (which obama didn't bother to vote on), the dems complained and complained about the illegal wire taps and they take the majority and....cave in and change the law so it's not legal.
would you ignore the AARP or the NAACP.... the lobby for the advancement of handicapped people.... the Coca Cola is a great soft drink lobby????
btw... I would be against a 30% cap on the credit card interest as well....because it basically allowed rates to go to 30% without cause.
I believe they expect a 20% or lower agreement by 2009.
...but that's just the word out there, I'm not gonna peck around for facts on this band's fan sight to reassure my credibility.
no, not all lobbyists are 'evil' but obama has run on a platform of that pretty much, hasn't he?? at least early on he did. he kept going on about how he didn't deal w/ lobbyists, he didn't take money from them, they wouldn't have a job in his white house.....all lies and now he's changed to 'they won't dominate his white house' he says what he needs to say, just another politician.
so you think not having a cap will prevent interest rates from going up to 30% or even more? that doesn't make any sense...if it's capped you're saying they would make all the rates 30%, but if there isn't cap they won't?? huh?
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
that doesn't make him White House material though.
It makes him...... Monk
Monk's a good detective but I can't see him as a diplomat
Maybe you're not sure what a Diplomat does but I can personally guarantee that Nader would be a better Diplomat than BO or JM. With Obama, we'll NEVER leave Iraq and we'll soon be in Iran. Mark my words.
Maybe you're not sure what a Diplomat does but I can personally guarantee that Nader would be a better Diplomat than BO or JM. With Obama, we'll NEVER leave Iraq and we'll soon be in Iran. Mark my words.
and he certainly won't help bring peace to the middle east w/ regards to anything w/ israel, he even said he won't force israel to try and make peace and how it's pretty much everyone else's fault but israel's for the problems over there....i guess he sees nothing wrong w/ continually tearing down homes and building illegal settlements, blockades, road blocks/check points that strangle the populace to where it's hard to even go to a doctor or work....several human rights and children's organizations like UNICEF have reported on how palestinian chilldren now are severely malnourished b/c of the road blocks and israel's actions
but yeah, he wouldn't even commit to having troops out of iraq by 2013 and the troops he does take out of iraq will just be redeployed elsewhere as he expands and modernizes the military
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
i guess that's subjective...obama kept going to court until everyone else was thrown off the ballot or dropped out and won an uncontested senate race i don't see winning a race where no one but you is on the ballot as some great feat, sorry. and ppl aren't holding them accountable!!! obama's missed nearly 1/2 the votes in the senate since being elected! and not to mention the dems took the majority by promising things like ending the war...and they didn't do shit, they tried to put a withdrawl in once, bush said no and the dems....gave in and kept right on rubber stamping bush's wishes.
same w/ the FISA issues (which obama didn't bother to vote on), the dems complained and complained about the illegal wire taps and they take the majority and....cave in and change the law so it's not legal.
what have they been held accountable for?
you just made him accountable for missing 1/2 the senate votes.
you have scrutinized his record.
Nader doesn't have a record to scrutinize
no, not all lobbyists are 'evil' but obama has run on a platform of that pretty much, hasn't he?? at least early on he did. he kept going on about how he didn't deal w/ lobbyists, he didn't take money from them, they wouldn't have a job in his white house.....all lies and now he's changed to 'they won't dominate his white house' he says what he needs to say, just another politician.
so you think not having a cap will prevent interest rates from going up to 30% or even more? that doesn't make any sense...if it's capped you're saying they would make all the rates 30%, but if there isn't cap they won't?? huh?
you just made him accountable for missing 1/2 the senate votes.
you have scrutinized his record.
Nader doesn't have a record to scrutinize
but to a majority it doesn't matter that he can't even show up to do his job 1/2 the time
nader has a very long record and it's a lot harder what he's done than showing up to capitol hill to vote! his entire life has been dedicated to the public good
they sure are taking their sweet ass time to push this lower cap, eh?
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Maybe you're not sure what a Diplomat does but I can personally guarantee that Nader would be a better Diplomat than BO or JM. With Obama, we'll NEVER leave Iraq and we'll soon be in Iran. Mark my words.
but yeah, he wouldn't even commit to having troops out of iraq by 2013
And seriously....what kind of "I had the foresight to be against this war from the beginning" BULLSHIT is that??? COME ON!!! Two words describe BO. Lying motherfucker.
Even IF you take BO at face value he'll be a shitty diplomat. That's just making the bold assumption that he'll do what he said he'll do. It's nothing short of insanity.
And seriously....what kind of "I had the foresight to be against this war from the beginning" BULLSHIT is that??? COME ON!!! Two words describe BO. Lying motherfucker.
and then say "one of the reasons i was against this war was b/c we didn't finish the one in afghanistan first" ???? if you were against it and think it's a 'stupid war' that wouldn't matter! it's like saying 'i don't molest little kids b/c i'm in a relationship right now....' what about being morally against it???
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
And seriously....what kind of "I had the foresight to be against this war from the beginning" BULLSHIT is that??? COME ON!!! Two words describe BO. Lying motherfucker.
Even IF you take BO at face value he'll be a shitty diplomat. That's just making the bold assumption that he'll do what he said he'll do. It's nothing short of insanity.
my dog could probably win in an election over mccain
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
my dog could probably win in an election over mccain
Yep. First of all, isn't America the one of the very LAST 1st world countries to rid slavery? Maybe some people see Obama as progress.....yep, I'm playing the race card so deal with it.
Secondly, as he mentioned, Kabong's DOG could beat McWarmonger in an election.
In fact, the only difference I see between Obombthefuckouttairaqa and McWarmonger is political party. They'll both be in the middle east forever and they'll both continue illegally occupying other sovereign nations that have never attacked the U.S.
Yep. First of all, isn't America the one of the very LAST 1st world countries to rid slavery? Maybe some people see Obama as progress.....yep, I'm playing the race card so deal with it.
Secondly, as he mentioned, Kabong's DOG could beat McWarmonger in an election.
In fact, the only difference I see between Obombthefuckouttairaqa and McWarmonger is political party. They'll both be in the middle east forever and they'll both continue illegally occupying other sovereign nations that have never attacked the U.S.
Hehehe
That's the best one I've seen yet.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
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Again.... he's done a good job with what he does
that doesn't make him White House material though.
It makes him...... Monk
Monk's a good detective but I can't see him as a diplomat
He's not selfish = he won't hire lobbyists to run his shit. Instead, he'll work FOR THE PEOPLE. What do you not understand?
You can't see how Obama sleeping with big corporations is hurting the "average american"????
Nader doesn't expect anyone to live as he lives. He's his own person and that's what he chooses. Since when did running for president mean imposing your lifestyle on everyone? That's just fucking idiotic.
So YOU are "the answer man"???
glad to meet you answer man.
I educated myself 2000-2004 when I worked for Nader and the Green Party
I talk about that in this thread
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=284044
Hey don't curse at me wise guy!!!!!!!!!
He's spanking them on the ass making them his bitch.
c'mon.... sleeping with the big corporations huh?
Were you the one that scolded me yesterday for making blanket statements about Nader?
Let me ask you a question.
If your guy Nader was President, how long do you think he'd let the phone ring when company X came calling?
Do you think he'd answer the phone or let it ring?
Does he call them back or ignore them?
You know so much... tell me how it works.
Please I neeeeeeeeeeed to know. Sleeping with corporations sounds nasty.
I'm just messing with you. This isn't a hate thing.
*yawn
do you think obama, hillary or mccain have done anything to make them white house material? if so, what?
yes, i think he would ignore them. he's not the one saying lobbyists would have jobs in his white house like obama has and also doesn't have pharmaceutical lobbyists as campaign chairs nor a federally indicted influence peddler on his finance committee
you think these ppl are giving him thousands and thousands of dollars w/o expecting anything in return? you think maybe it could've influenced his votes and stances like being against capping credit card interest rates at 30% and pushing nuclear power and coal?
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
and yet you can't look away....
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
sorry to disrupt the "my dad can beat up your dad" arguments but that made me laugh...:D:D
carry on.....abook i think it's your serve
hey guess what??? they've all served in public office and the people are holding them accountable for every little move they've made.
makes a difference.
yep
so your answer is to ignore the lobbyists???
all of them, or just the EVIL ones???
would you ignore the AARP or the NAACP.... the lobby for the advancement of handicapped people.... the Coca Cola is a great soft drink lobby????
btw... I would be against a 30% cap on the credit card interest as well....because it basically allowed rates to go to 30% without cause.
I believe they expect a 20% or lower agreement by 2009.
...but that's just the word out there, I'm not gonna peck around for facts on this band's fan sight to reassure my credibility.
i guess that's subjective...obama kept going to court until everyone else was thrown off the ballot or dropped out and won an uncontested senate race i don't see winning a race where no one but you is on the ballot as some great feat, sorry. and ppl aren't holding them accountable!!! obama's missed nearly 1/2 the votes in the senate since being elected! and not to mention the dems took the majority by promising things like ending the war...and they didn't do shit, they tried to put a withdrawl in once, bush said no and the dems....gave in and kept right on rubber stamping bush's wishes.
same w/ the FISA issues (which obama didn't bother to vote on), the dems complained and complained about the illegal wire taps and they take the majority and....cave in and change the law so it's not legal.
what have they been held accountable for?
no, not all lobbyists are 'evil' but obama has run on a platform of that pretty much, hasn't he?? at least early on he did. he kept going on about how he didn't deal w/ lobbyists, he didn't take money from them, they wouldn't have a job in his white house.....all lies and now he's changed to 'they won't dominate his white house' he says what he needs to say, just another politician.
so you think not having a cap will prevent interest rates from going up to 30% or even more? that doesn't make any sense...if it's capped you're saying they would make all the rates 30%, but if there isn't cap they won't?? huh?
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
and he certainly won't help bring peace to the middle east w/ regards to anything w/ israel, he even said he won't force israel to try and make peace and how it's pretty much everyone else's fault but israel's for the problems over there....i guess he sees nothing wrong w/ continually tearing down homes and building illegal settlements, blockades, road blocks/check points that strangle the populace to where it's hard to even go to a doctor or work....several human rights and children's organizations like UNICEF have reported on how palestinian chilldren now are severely malnourished b/c of the road blocks and israel's actions
but yeah, he wouldn't even commit to having troops out of iraq by 2013 and the troops he does take out of iraq will just be redeployed elsewhere as he expands and modernizes the military
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
you just made him accountable for missing 1/2 the senate votes.
you have scrutinized his record.
Nader doesn't have a record to scrutinize
no they want a lower cap. 30% is too high.
but to a majority it doesn't matter that he can't even show up to do his job 1/2 the time
nader has a very long record and it's a lot harder what he's done than showing up to capitol hill to vote! his entire life has been dedicated to the public good
they sure are taking their sweet ass time to push this lower cap, eh?
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
How do you know?
gut feeling?
you've got that right...
the bad part about the legislation though is that it legally changes the cardholder's agreement...
it's not necessarily good.
I'm locked at 6.9% on a balance transfer. If the legislation passes, they could legally call my loan or move me up to 20%...
this is why some of these spins are unfactual, coming from ALL political camps...
Even IF you take BO at face value he'll be a shitty diplomat. That's just making the bold assumption that he'll do what he said he'll do. It's nothing short of insanity.
and then say "one of the reasons i was against this war was b/c we didn't finish the one in afghanistan first" ???? if you were against it and think it's a 'stupid war' that wouldn't matter! it's like saying 'i don't molest little kids b/c i'm in a relationship right now....' what about being morally against it???
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
easy there...
your bloodpressure is a little high
Why then is it that Obama is held with such high regard through the eyes of the world?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/2049446/Barack-Obama-beats-John-McCain-in-European-vote-US-election-2008.html
my dog could probably win in an election over mccain
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Secondly, as he mentioned, Kabong's DOG could beat McWarmonger in an election.
In fact, the only difference I see between Obombthefuckouttairaqa and McWarmonger is political party. They'll both be in the middle east forever and they'll both continue illegally occupying other sovereign nations that have never attacked the U.S.
Hehehe
That's the best one I've seen yet.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
'If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention'
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde