Vedder and the boys kinda parted ways with Nader and so did Jello Biafra...
...Michael Moore
Wonder why???
Does anyone know why all the celebs kinda bailed on Ralph like he didn't bathe or something???
I personally don't base my choices on what celebrities or everyone else is doing.
I can make my own mind up based of my ideals not popularity or trends. Try it sometime.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
have you ever noticed when he talks ...little white frothy spittle collects on his lips???
has this guy gotten laid yet??
I can see you have your priorities for achieving global harmony.all figured out...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I personally don't base my choices on what celebrities or everyone else is doing.
I can make my own mind up based of my ideals not popularity or trends. Try it sometime.
30 substantial stories with dirt on Nader? That site is filled with extremely biased opinion fluff. No one would use most of that crap as some kind of serious source.
The union busting claim had been debunked and the claim was brought on by two employees who had actually been fired by Nader for running a piece that he didn't authorize and THEN cried foul after words. Not to mention how having unions in non-profits is not even close to the same thing as a regular employer because money and resources are extremely scarce PLUS they are working for causes not for profit. That seems obvious enough and I posted a good piece a few months on just how tricky the subject of unions inside non-profits is. AND Nader has allowed some unions inside some of his groups which makes this claim look even more like bullshit....sorry, nice try.
The stocks claim is based on a fidelity portfolio and most people don't even know where their money is being directed in those cases. And at least any money he gets from those goes to great causes that hinder those corporations To me it's small beans compared to actually holding office and making vote that make it easier for your donors such as Obama has done with his credit card cap vote and the nuclear power legislation he watered down.
The rest is just personal attacks of no substance that you would expect to see on some horrid mudslinging campaign commercial.
exactly, nader gave the guy a few weeks to clear his desk out and THEN the guy filed for a union, gee i wonder why nader said no to that? if you look it up you will find the only sources for this story being the site already given and the guy making the claim's blog...and on his blog a girl who says she worked w/ him when he got fired and was against him being fired STILL voted for nader in 2000 b/c she thought he was the best candidate.
and how many ppl know what individual stocks are in their mutual funds?
nader didn't buy a house next to someone who was indicted for kickbacks and influence pedaling or had the same guy on his campaign finance committees who also held fundraisers for him at his mansion....how many thousands did obama have to give back from rezko while claiming to want to fix communities while being tight w/ a guy who's a slumlord?
and it's not like nader played poker lobbyists or have pharmaceutical lobbyists as campaign chairs while lying about it during national debates (and also lied about how he knew rezko in a national debate)
and obama's pretty much said he will employ lobbyists by going from 'lobbyists won't have a say in my white house!' to 'lobbyists won't dominate my white house'
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
and how many ppl know what individual stocks are in their mutual funds?
Actually he should have known there was a good chance of conflict using normal mutual funds as an investment. Anyone investing has an idea of what stocks are mixed in these funds. To say he didnt have any idea is just flat wrong. There are numerous "Green" or environmentally friendly mutual funds out there he would have known about but wouldnt bring as high a return. Why did he not use these? I have no idea but it sure seems against his principles not to.
Actually he should have known there was a good chance of conflict using normal mutual funds as an investment. Anyone investing has an idea of what stocks are mixed in these funds. To say he didnt have any idea is just flat wrong. There are numerous "Green" or environmentally friendly mutual funds out there he would have known about but wouldnt bring as high a return. Why did he not use these? I have no idea but it sure seems against his principles not to.
i'm not sure how many 'green' stocks there were back in 2000 when the story was written and i agree he should get rid of the Fidelity Mutual fund but he lives off of $25,000 a year, it's not like he's living it up in some multi million dollar mansion like obama. and it's not like he's profiting from these funds like obama's wife is by receiving hundreds of thousands from sitting on the board of a supposed non-profit hospital which had a profit of i think $100million, either. certainly he's not perfect but it's just a drop in the bucket compared to the other candidates, obama included. and as has been listed before any profits that may be made from the fund is used for his non-profit organizations, not living it up like the other candidates do.
what did obama do w/ those stock profits, i wonder?? was it give it to non-profits and help fight for the ppl against corporate corruption or help pay for his mansion????
obama buys stock in companies that are about to get government contracts? interesting. just a coincidence, i guess, like 7 out of 14 of his biggest donors being from the financial/banking sector and he just happens to vote against capping credit card rates....sure just another coincidence...
This Nader stock portfolio bit seems like grasping at straws when you look at all the money obama has received from credit card lobbyists, nuclear power lobbyists, financial/banking sector, pharmaceutical sector...and then votes in their favor or pushes for watered down legislation in favor of these industries, which is a huge problem in my eyes, at least. Nader works against the companies in his mutual fund and any money made from them is put towards things other than himself....and put into actual efforts to bring down and expose those very industries. So the whole point of bringing this up over and over seems very moot. Again Nader is not perfect but he looks faaaaaar more perfect in comparison.
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
i'm not sure how many 'green' stocks there were back in 2000 when the story was written and i agree he should get rid of the Fidelity Mutual fund but he lives off of $25,000 a year, it's not like he's living it up in some multi million dollar mansion like obama. and it's not like he's profiting from these funds like obama's wife is by receiving hundreds of thousands from sitting on the board of a supposed non-profit hospital which had a profit of i think $100million, either. certainly he's not perfect but it's just a drop in the bucket compared to the other candidates, obama included. and as has been listed before any profits that may be made from the fund is used for his non-profit organizations, not living it up like the other candidates do.
what did obama do w/ those stock profits, i wonder?? was it give it to non-profits and help fight for the ppl against corporate corruption or help pay for his mansion????
obama buys stock in companies that are about to get government contracts? interesting. just a coincidence, i guess, like 7 out of 14 of his biggest donors being from the financial/banking sector and he just happens to vote against capping credit card rates....sure just another coincidence...
This Nader stock portfolio bit seems like grasping at straws when you look at all the money obama has received from credit card lobbyists, nuclear power lobbyists, financial/banking sector, pharmaceutical sector...and then votes in their favor or pushes for watered down legislation in favor of these industries, which is a huge problem in my eyes, at least. Nader works against the companies in his mutual fund and any money made from them is put towards things other than himself....and put into actual efforts to bring down and expose those very industries. So the whole point of bringing this up over and over seems very moot. Again Nader is not perfect but he looks faaaaaar more perfect in comparison.
I didnt realize this was about Obama's portfolio. I'm SURE Obama's money is tainted. But does that EXCUSE Nader because Obama's is MORE tainted? Come on .....
I didnt realize this was about Obama's portfolio. I'm SURE Obama's money is tainted. But does that EXCUSE Nader because Obama's is MORE tainted? Come on .....
did i say it excused it? no, in fact i said i thought he should get rid of the mutual fund.
sorry, obama is running against nader for president, he should be brought up. and in context it shows that if those things really matter to you nader still comes out the much better choice out of the other canidates
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
did i say it excused it? no, in fact i said i thought he should get rid of the mutual fund.
sorry, obama is running against nader for president, he should be brought up. and in context it shows that if those things really matter to you nader still comes out the much better choice out of the other canidates
Sure it is. He is one the other choices and the main contender at that. You have to include the context of the situation...this is a competition for christ's sake. It's not like were just talking about Nader here but no other reason than to debate how great he is....Come on.....It wouldn't make sense NOT to bring Obama up, actually.
If you're out buying a new car....all the choices out there currently are ran on
gas and of course we all know how horrible the prices of gas are. BUT the hybrid will use much LESS gas...so it's a better choice for various reasons given the context of the other choices. Now it would be nice if you could pick
a car that runs on solar energy or perhaps an electric model but that choice is simply not there yet. (this analogy is excluding the price of the cars because voting is free anyways)
If you're out buying a new car....all the choices out there currently are ran on
gas and of course we all know how horrible the prices of gas are. BUT the hybrid will use much LESS gas...so it's a better choice for various reasons given the context of the other choices. Now it would be nice if you could pick
a car that runs on solar energy or perhaps an electric model but that choice is simply not there yet. (this analogy is excluding the price of the cars because voting is free anyways)
I didnt realize this was about Obama's portfolio. I'm SURE Obama's money is tainted. But does that EXCUSE Nader because Obama's is MORE tainted? Come on .....
the man just paid off his student loans last year after his book sales... i am not too concerned with his investment portfolio
not to mention he has not made a career of railing against big business, corpoartions, and wall street
just the fact the nader invests in wall street and big business makes him a hypocrite to me.
the man just paid off his student loans last year after his book sales... i am not too concerned with his investment portfolio
not to mention he has not made a career of railing against big business, corpoartions, and wall street
just the fact the nader invests in wall street and big business makes him a hypocrite to me.
he just paid off his student loans last year and yet he has invested thousands into mutual funds, like naders, for a few years and a few years ago bought a home for over a million dollars....let's not try to paint it as obama is some pauper or anything. his wife is on the board of a few places and receives hundreds of thousands from a supposed non-profit hospital (which if you compare profit compared to ceo pay this non-profit hospital's ceo made a bigger % than the ceo of wal-mart)
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
you answered the 2nd part of her question but not the 1st
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
still worried about me and who i am voting for i see :rolleyes:
have a good day
not in the least, but if you reply in a thread it's not unthinkable that someone will reply to you
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Comments
has this guy gotten laid yet??
Posting in the 3rd person went out of style years ago.
so what's the surprise?? Rhino
I don't understand the 3rd person comment... please explain
great point!!
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
You really can't say much or anything bad about Nader though...
other than he's kinda the slow kid in school.. got picked on a lot... probably carried a briefcase everywhere....
...dig?
Vedder and the boys kinda parted ways with Nader and so did Jello Biafra...
...Michael Moore
Wonder why???
Does anyone know why all the celebs kinda bailed on Ralph like he didn't bathe or something???
I personally don't base my choices on what celebrities or everyone else is doing.
I can make my own mind up based of my ideals not popularity or trends. Try it sometime.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Britney 08!
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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I wish the thread had ended on this post. It seemed so fitting.
I can see you have your priorities for achieving global harmony.all figured out...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
(")_(")
Hey, Abook
we have a lot more in common than not, believe me
good luck to ya...
didn't mean to be a jerk.
http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/7/5/-/2/nader_proven_losership.jpg
exactly, nader gave the guy a few weeks to clear his desk out and THEN the guy filed for a union, gee i wonder why nader said no to that? if you look it up you will find the only sources for this story being the site already given and the guy making the claim's blog...and on his blog a girl who says she worked w/ him when he got fired and was against him being fired STILL voted for nader in 2000 b/c she thought he was the best candidate.
and how many ppl know what individual stocks are in their mutual funds?
nader didn't buy a house next to someone who was indicted for kickbacks and influence pedaling or had the same guy on his campaign finance committees who also held fundraisers for him at his mansion....how many thousands did obama have to give back from rezko while claiming to want to fix communities while being tight w/ a guy who's a slumlord?
and it's not like nader played poker lobbyists or have pharmaceutical lobbyists as campaign chairs while lying about it during national debates (and also lied about how he knew rezko in a national debate)
and obama's pretty much said he will employ lobbyists by going from 'lobbyists won't have a say in my white house!' to 'lobbyists won't dominate my white house'
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Funny but couldn't they have at least gotten a man's arm?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v80By52jOI
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Actually he should have known there was a good chance of conflict using normal mutual funds as an investment. Anyone investing has an idea of what stocks are mixed in these funds. To say he didnt have any idea is just flat wrong. There are numerous "Green" or environmentally friendly mutual funds out there he would have known about but wouldnt bring as high a return. Why did he not use these? I have no idea but it sure seems against his principles not to.
i'm not sure how many 'green' stocks there were back in 2000 when the story was written and i agree he should get rid of the Fidelity Mutual fund but he lives off of $25,000 a year, it's not like he's living it up in some multi million dollar mansion like obama. and it's not like he's profiting from these funds like obama's wife is by receiving hundreds of thousands from sitting on the board of a supposed non-profit hospital which had a profit of i think $100million, either. certainly he's not perfect but it's just a drop in the bucket compared to the other candidates, obama included. and as has been listed before any profits that may be made from the fund is used for his non-profit organizations, not living it up like the other candidates do.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200703090008
Chicago Tribune linked Obama stock purchase and legislation, leaving out his denial that he knew of purchase
what did obama do w/ those stock profits, i wonder?? was it give it to non-profits and help fight for the ppl against corporate corruption or help pay for his mansion????
obama buys stock in companies that are about to get government contracts? interesting. just a coincidence, i guess, like 7 out of 14 of his biggest donors being from the financial/banking sector and he just happens to vote against capping credit card rates....sure just another coincidence...
This Nader stock portfolio bit seems like grasping at straws when you look at all the money obama has received from credit card lobbyists, nuclear power lobbyists, financial/banking sector, pharmaceutical sector...and then votes in their favor or pushes for watered down legislation in favor of these industries, which is a huge problem in my eyes, at least. Nader works against the companies in his mutual fund and any money made from them is put towards things other than himself....and put into actual efforts to bring down and expose those very industries. So the whole point of bringing this up over and over seems very moot. Again Nader is not perfect but he looks faaaaaar more perfect in comparison.
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
I didnt realize this was about Obama's portfolio. I'm SURE Obama's money is tainted. But does that EXCUSE Nader because Obama's is MORE tainted? Come on .....
did i say it excused it? no, in fact i said i thought he should get rid of the mutual fund.
sorry, obama is running against nader for president, he should be brought up. and in context it shows that if those things really matter to you nader still comes out the much better choice out of the other canidates
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
If that's good enough for you then alright.
Sure it is. He is one the other choices and the main contender at that. You have to include the context of the situation...this is a competition for christ's sake. It's not like were just talking about Nader here but no other reason than to debate how great he is....Come on.....It wouldn't make sense NOT to bring Obama up, actually.
If you're out buying a new car....all the choices out there currently are ran on
gas and of course we all know how horrible the prices of gas are. BUT the hybrid will use much LESS gas...so it's a better choice for various reasons given the context of the other choices. Now it would be nice if you could pick
a car that runs on solar energy or perhaps an electric model but that choice is simply not there yet. (this analogy is excluding the price of the cars because voting is free anyways)
No one has said it excused anything....just that we still thought Nader was the far better choice.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
what's good enough for you then or are you simply not voting this go round?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I'm voting.
The lesser of two evils argument? Interesting.
the man just paid off his student loans last year after his book sales... i am not too concerned with his investment portfolio
not to mention he has not made a career of railing against big business, corpoartions, and wall street
just the fact the nader invests in wall street and big business makes him a hypocrite to me.
You're 'not too concerned' about anything Obama has or hasn't done....no need to state the obvious.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
he just paid off his student loans last year and yet he has invested thousands into mutual funds, like naders, for a few years and a few years ago bought a home for over a million dollars....let's not try to paint it as obama is some pauper or anything. his wife is on the board of a few places and receives hundreds of thousands from a supposed non-profit hospital (which if you compare profit compared to ceo pay this non-profit hospital's ceo made a bigger % than the ceo of wal-mart)
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
yeah, keep assuming abook
still worried about me and who i am voting for i see :rolleyes:
have a good day
you answered the 2nd part of her question but not the 1st
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
not in the least, but if you reply in a thread it's not unthinkable that someone will reply to you
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way