America Supports You

jlew24asu

Byrnzie wrote:

Money and adventure are the main reasons. Money being prime. A lot of these dudes hail from, and are targeted in, deprived areas and communities. Although of course there are many different reasons for anyone wanting to join up.

you certainly seem to know alot. are you from america? stop generalizing

Truthmonger

Byrnzie wrote:

Money and adventure are the main reasons. Money being prime. A lot of these dudes hail from, and are targeted in, deprived areas and communities. Although of course there are many different reasons for anyone wanting to join up.
And i agree with what you said above, but i beleive that the majority of troops over there are just as much victims of this bullshit war as everyone who is suffering because of it.

I disagree to a point....it was something of a rhetorical question...how can anyone in this day and age not be aware of certain things.......its mind boggling.

As for "everyone else who is suffering" - my point was that if they are suffering, its by their own hand !! Its astonishing to me that Americans would stand by and say, "ya, Bush really fucked up, but hey, I'm gonna support the troops regardless". Its not about bush, or Cheney, or Libby anymore. Its about the avg. American who can't see the irony of his/her choices. They want to divorce themselves from their choices.

Kann

jlew24asu wrote:

your comparing 2 different things.

I'm not comparing anything, I'm just saying the statistical method used in the study that produced the 650,000 number is the same method that has been used for a long time in the public health field.
The examples where to show you that the cdc for example didn't go and check the smoking habits of all the people dying from cancer. And there aren't UN agents behind every HIV infected person on the planet.

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jlew24asu wrote:

fact remains that 650,000 or 1,000,000 like some scum will say, Iraqis have not been killed from American Troops.

That's true, the study charges 31% of the 650,000 figure to US army actions. (But it's no need to call people scum.)
And that number is an estimate, the lowest border of the range is 393,000.

jlew24asu

Kann wrote:

I'm not comparing anything, I'm just saying the statistical method used in the study that produced the 650,000 number is the same method that has been used for a long time in the public health field.
The examples where to show you that the cdc for example didn't go and check the smoking habits of all the people dying from cancer. And there aren't UN agents behind every HIV infected person on the planet.

fact remains that 650,000 or 1,000,000 like some scum will say, Iraqis have not been killed from American Troops.

sapperskunk

Byrnzie wrote:

I should have known by your board name. I'm having a dumb day today. So are you still signed up or have you quit the forces?

It's called in active reserves. So technically if they wanted to call me back in they could. The odds are extremely slim though. I got out a month after I got back from Iraq and have been in school ever since.

Montgomery GI bill and Army College Fund combined gets me 2077.00 bucks a month. And Washington state has passed a reduced tuition adjustment for combat veterans. So in-state tuition plus a 50% reduction comes to 1050.00 bucks a quarter(three months). They only pay you for three years, but it's more than enough to save and cover your last year.

Since I don't have to work, I spend my time at a local community radio station, I started a non-profit to feed homeless in Seattle and have recently signed up to be a "Big Brother".

I worked with an immensely diverse multinational force in Kosovo, but never got to work with the Brits (or Irish). Although one time, a Royal Marine snuck up and scared the living shit out of us in the middle of the night, way deep in the woods. We were both lost. Sort of.

Heres some pictures of my company on one of the various humanitarian missions I partook in, I never got to do the fun stuff, because being the low man on the totem pole, my ass sat on top of a hmmwv all day pulling security. The top guy was my roommate in Germany, his name was Plascencia he was Mexican. We called him placenta.

http://www.geocities.com/kosovopics/2ndplt.html

angelica

jlew24asu wrote:

fact remains that 650,000 or 1,000,000 like some scum will say, Iraqis have not been killed from American Troops.

It's beginning to look like you've got a personal vendetta here. An overblown emotional response, imo, tends to distort one's reasoning.

gimmesometruth27

jlew24asu wrote:

you certainly seem to know alot. are you from america? stop generalizing

what, so if he is not american what he has to say has no merit? get over yourself.

i find that people from other countries have quite valid points of view in their supports and or criticisms of my country and its military and foreign policy. are other countries not affected by our policies abroad? if the US was smart they would take into consideration the opinions of the rest of the world, but with these nimrods in this administrations in charge it would never happen.

it is people like you who perpetuate the stereotype of americans being ignorant, arrogant, and dismissive of or indifferent to what the rest of the world thinks. there is a big difference between 650,000 and a million, but i am disturbed that you seem so proud of the 650,000 figure and so dismissive of the million figure. who really knows for sure other than the dead? if you want to be a cheerleader go ahead, but you can't dismiss the possibility of another 450,000 deaths simply because you don't want to believe that your military is capable of such things. i would tend to believe the people who are there and say they have lost a loved one over what the military brass concedes to the media who in turn does not report the important things.

Byrnzie

jlew24asu wrote:

you certainly seem to know alot. are you from america? stop generalizing

I don't live in America. But that's irrelevant. Are you saying that anyone who doesn't live in America can't possibly know anything about the place? Stop generalizing!

Byrnzie

jlew24asu wrote:

fact remains that 650,000 or 1,000,000 like some scum will say, Iraqis have not been killed from American Troops.

That's not a fact. It's a supposition.

Byrnzie

sapperskunk wrote:

Montgomery GI bill and Army College Fund combined gets me 2077.00 bucks a month. And Washington state has passed a reduced tuition adjustment for combat veterans. So in-state tuition plus a 50% reduction comes to 1050.00 bucks a quarter(three months). They only pay you for three years, but it's more than enough to save and cover your last year.

Sounds like a perfect opportunity to get some letters after your name. I wish i could go back to college/university here without it setting me back 5 grand or more.

spiral out

dunkman1974 wrote:

but the thread title is "America supports you"

Why do americans go on about "freedoms" all the time...

[cough] Cos some of them are brainwashed [/cough]

jlew24asu

Byrnzie wrote:

I don't live in America. But that's irrelevant. Are you saying that anyone who doesn't live in America can't possibly know anything about the place? Stop generalizing!

sure. you can read about america and see things on tv. but unless you are here there are certain things you just wont know. got it?

jlew24asu

Byrnzie wrote:

That's not a fact. It's a supposition.

sorry its a fact. where are the 1,000,000 bodies? where are the mass graves?

jlew24asu

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

what, so if he is not american what he has to say has no merit? get over yourself.

I didnt say he had no merit. I was refering to his specific commment

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i find that people from other countries have quite valid points of view in their supports and or criticisms of my country and its military and foreign policy. are other countries not affected by our policies abroad? if the US was smart they would take into consideration the opinions of the rest of the world, but with these nimrods in this administrations in charge it would never happen.

I agree

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

there is a big difference between 650,000 and a million, but i am disturbed that you seem so proud of the 650,000 figure and so dismissive of the million figure.

what the fuck are you talking about? proud of the 650,000 figure? are you out of your fucking mind. I dont think that number is ANYWHERE close to the actual number of Iraqis killed in this war.

sapperskunk

chiefojibwa wrote:

and unless you are in iraq there are certain things YOU won't know.

GOT IT?

That goes for you too buddy.

jlew24asu

chiefojibwa wrote:

where are the hundreds of thousands of bodies from saddam's mass graves then, tough guy?

are you serious? so far the have found over 250 mass grave sites. why would you ask such a stupid question?

http://www.9neesan.com/massgraves/

http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/27000.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_grave

jlew24asu

chiefojibwa wrote:

and unless you are in iraq there are certain things YOU won't know.

GOT IT?

who's being the tough guy? I didnt claim to know why Iraqis or what kind of people in Iraq join the military. someone else did, about America.

know what your talking about before you open that big mouth of yours

jlew24asu

chiefojibwa wrote:

jesus, have you no memory man? we've been through all this before! you believe the numbers you want to believe, and i believe the numbers i want to believe. guess what?

WE'RE BOTH WRONG!!

however, i don't call people "scum" for believing.

I didnt use any number.

sapperskunk

chiefojibwa wrote:

no shit sherlock. no shit.

Sorry man, I always thought you were mentally challenged, that's why I brought it up.

jlew24asu

chiefojibwa wrote:

well, you sure seem to know how many iraqis have NOT been killed, don't you?

are you out of fourth grade yet, btw?

calm the fuck down.