America Supports You
Jeremy2009
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Just felt like expressing some thanks to all of those that are serving or have served in the military. We cannot do what we do if it werent for what you and your families do to secure our freedoms. Thanks!
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Don't get me wrong, I got family in the army and I love our troops. I support them until the end.
But in Iraq, what freedoms are they securing for us here in America?
-Enoch Powell
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Well, amen. They do do a lot for us and they SHOULD get more.
The 9/11 families got 2 million each for losing someone in the WTC attacks. 3,000 perished.
Military families get far less for boys that sign up to defend their country and know they could die.
Not like I'm comparing, but our boys in the military are a gift from God.
-Enoch Powell
I'm sure the families of all the innocents they killed feel the same way about them.
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The troops should should be paid more and not treated like meat, they should also not be sent out for war so quickly and the people who just scream "support" needs to understand that "support the troops" means not having them invade countries (on anyones orders) when the only thing they are really securing is not anyones freedoms but the oil fields of the third world.
Supporting the troops does not mean a yellow ribbon or a bumper sticker with a faded flag on the back, it means proper health care and benefits for the families of the soldiers. It means making sure they are taken care of.
It also means not scaring them with a prison sentance if they choose not to fight, what's the point of forcing someone to do something? the job will just be done incorrectly.
This is supporting the troops.
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
fine, "to my mind, that is supporting the troops"
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I dont believe in a prison sentence but they should definetly be kicked out of the military.
Kind of a generalization isn't it? I was a troop and I never killed an innocent person. So please elaborate some more how I killed some innocent families?
And how the fuck do you know what the troops need? Cause of your two buddies, one that was medically discharged and the other who was too chickenshit to support his friends in combat. Great assesment.
Your knowledge of the military is like my knowledge of fish hatcherys, absolutely none. Stop faking the funk dipshit.
I know what they need because they are human like everyone else, they need a better wage and better benefits. Fairly obvious I think.
as far as your first question goes, you were part of group of people (in this case the army) that has a history wrongs. I did'nt mean to generalize but if you go back you'll see that my reply was towards "but our boys in the military are a gift from God".... then read my reply and I hope you undertstand my point. I don't wish to reply to the rest of your post because talk like that just does'nt interest me. sorry.
And what about the history of the Army in terms of "rights"? I guess you got a problem with humanitarian missions too?
-Enoch Powell
of course not my friend, I do however have major problems when other plans are hidden under the blanket of a "humanitarian mission" such as the case with somalia (i.e black hawk down) when the real work was about oil interests.
So you have no problem whatsoever for humanitarian missions the Army conducts as long as there are no hidden agendas?
So what your telling me is we should NOT have gone to Somalia with the UNITED NATIONS to feed people that were starving to death because there were other interests at hand?
This is from Wikipedia
Following the failure of United Nations' Operation Restore Hope and beginning in 1993, a two-year UN effort (primarily in the south) was ABLE to alleviate famine conditions. The UN contingent was at times led by American troops, 18 of whom were killed in a raid in Mogadishu where two helicopters (Supers 61&64) were shot down (as portrayed in the film "Black Hawk Down").
Didn't you say you understand what humans need? Well second to water, humans need food. So I take it your not a fan of the UN also? Balkans mission? Kosovo? Bosnia?
Without the oil connection, america would not of touched somalia. I don't call feeding someone because you want what they have a good thing. Feed them so they like you, so they get close to you, then rape them.
We also see just how well that mission worked out yeah? and you guys are back again only this time fighting "terrorism" in somalia.
Ignore Rwanda, go to somalia.
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Now what are you saying, kosovo and said missions had more than meets the eye?
Okay so ultimately you are in support of letting people die, starve, be wiped off the earth etc, if underlying political back scratching is prevalent?
Yeah and the Somalia mission worked out pretty good, why do you think I included the wikipedia quote? "Able to alleviate famine conditions" ring a bell? But what was I thinking, you don't care about people starving to death.
I sincerely feel sorry for you, go to your closest college and enroll in "International Human Rights" immediately.
You want to know what happend in Somalia? A couple soldiers died and Clinton ran away with his balls cut off. The Ethiopian army, using 4,000 soldiers, recently captured the entire nation. (And they're supressing the violence)
This is an example of what happens when a military is allowed to fight a war without liberal intervention. Refer to the "Feminization of America."
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
If you do a search for "somalia" you should be able to find a couple threads about it, on one of them i posted an article. it should answer your lack of understanding on the issue.
nevertheless, ethiopia and the warlords in somalia are currently backed by america. bombs, missles, bullets and all. the same kind of warlords that brought down those helicopters are now holding hands with america.
Yes, they should get much more.. but they don't .. in large part due to some of our "freedoms"..
we pay them shitty wages - and leave them alone and in poverty after they are finished - or wounded
But most of all, we don't give them respect - and abuse them - and place them in war without even the benefit of open honest consideration..
But we do have people now and then saying thanks, and somtimes going the extra mile with cute ribbon stickers on their new cars...
you gonna answer my question?
Supporting the troops means wanting them to win.
Supporting the troops means giving them the bennifit of the doubt instead of the enemy or Al Jazeera or CNN or Fox News or any other news agency that comes out with a story that automatically assumes the soldiers did something wrong.
Supporting the troops means realizing that they are part the best trained and most professional organization in the world, and that their job demands perfection, and while perfection in the performance of their duties is achieved most of the time, they do make mistakes.
Supporting the troops means understanding that these mistakes are rare and delt with when they occure.
Supporting the troops does not mean attacking the people with the yellow ribbons. And acting like you are the one who really supports them because you want better bennifits for them. Big deal, you think they should be paid better and have better health care, wow, way to step out on a limb and really support the soldiers.
Back to the bumperstickers. My mother has one on her truck. And if you saw the truck I bet you would roll your eyes and think to yourself "oh gawd, another brainless Bush supporter". But what you wouldn't realize it that her oldest son spent a year in Iraq and her second oldest son will probably be going within the next year.
Just think about that next time you see a yellow ribbon bumper sticker on someones car. It is probably a soldiers mother or wife or father or husband driving that car and the ribbon is more for them and their love for their family member and not a political statement.
As far as threatening prison sentances.
Civilians give up the choice if the want to fight or not when they take the oath that says "...I will obay the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me...". No one forces a person to join, in fact before the civilians are given the oath they are given plenty of chances to back out with out any consiquences. That is the last time they have the choice to fight or not.
You cannot baby soldiers and ask them nicely to do things they don't want to they have to be forced. There are plenty of things soldiers are forced to do that they don't want to do and these things still get done. And they are done correctly.
lol If I give you a couple of cookies and a glass of milk will you come out?
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
I should leave and let the few of you enjoy yourselves.
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That works too, you just answered the question for me. Thanks, I get you now.
Hic puer est stultissimus omnium.
whether you like it or not, pacification IS support for killers.
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
i don't understand what you are getting at here. murder is murder whether in war or not. i choose not to support any of it.
what does it mean when you don't give a shit if people are murdered? does that somehow support killers as well?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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but the thread title is "America supports you"
I wish the family and friends of soldiers had them back... whatever nation they are from.
Why do americans go on about "freedoms" all the time... we had a film about one of our greatest freedom fighters made that won many Oscars... in fact Braveheart even shouts it all the time "they may take our lives, but they'll never take our FREEEEDOOOMMMM!!!!"
and yet i never hear any Scottish people ever mention their "freedoms"... but Americans... fucking hell... :rolleyes: probably one of the most intrusive, restrictive, admin-heavy administrations in the Western World but the patriots all think they have multiple Freedoms... :rolleyes:
i'm bemused in an arrogant way