Money and adventure are the main reasons. Money being prime. A lot of these dudes hail from, and are targeted in, deprived areas and communities. Although of course there are many different reasons for anyone wanting to join up.
you certainly seem to know alot. are you from america? stop generalizing
Money and adventure are the main reasons. Money being prime. A lot of these dudes hail from, and are targeted in, deprived areas and communities. Although of course there are many different reasons for anyone wanting to join up.
And i agree with what you said above, but i beleive that the majority of troops over there are just as much victims of this bullshit war as everyone who is suffering because of it.
I disagree to a point....it was something of a rhetorical question...how can anyone in this day and age not be aware of certain things.......its mind boggling.
As for "everyone else who is suffering" - my point was that if they are suffering, its by their own hand !! Its astonishing to me that Americans would stand by and say, "ya, Bush really fucked up, but hey, I'm gonna support the troops regardless". Its not about bush, or Cheney, or Libby anymore. Its about the avg. American who can't see the irony of his/her choices. They want to divorce themselves from their choices.
I'm not comparing anything, I'm just saying the statistical method used in the study that produced the 650,000 number is the same method that has been used for a long time in the public health field.
The examples where to show you that the cdc for example didn't go and check the smoking habits of all the people dying from cancer. And there aren't UN agents behind every HIV infected person on the planet.
fact remains that 650,000 or 1,000,000 like some scum will say, Iraqis have not been killed from American Troops.
That's true, the study charges 31% of the 650,000 figure to US army actions. (But it's no need to call people scum.)
And that number is an estimate, the lowest border of the range is 393,000.
I'm not comparing anything, I'm just saying the statistical method used in the study that produced the 650,000 number is the same method that has been used for a long time in the public health field.
The examples where to show you that the cdc for example didn't go and check the smoking habits of all the people dying from cancer. And there aren't UN agents behind every HIV infected person on the planet.
fact remains that 650,000 or 1,000,000 like some scum will say, Iraqis have not been killed from American Troops.
I should have known by your board name. I'm having a dumb day today. So are you still signed up or have you quit the forces?
It's called in active reserves. So technically if they wanted to call me back in they could. The odds are extremely slim though. I got out a month after I got back from Iraq and have been in school ever since.
Montgomery GI bill and Army College Fund combined gets me 2077.00 bucks a month. And Washington state has passed a reduced tuition adjustment for combat veterans. So in-state tuition plus a 50% reduction comes to 1050.00 bucks a quarter(three months). They only pay you for three years, but it's more than enough to save and cover your last year.
Since I don't have to work, I spend my time at a local community radio station, I started a non-profit to feed homeless in Seattle and have recently signed up to be a "Big Brother".
I worked with an immensely diverse multinational force in Kosovo, but never got to work with the Brits (or Irish). Although one time, a Royal Marine snuck up and scared the living shit out of us in the middle of the night, way deep in the woods. We were both lost. Sort of.
Heres some pictures of my company on one of the various humanitarian missions I partook in, I never got to do the fun stuff, because being the low man on the totem pole, my ass sat on top of a hmmwv all day pulling security. The top guy was my roommate in Germany, his name was Plascencia he was Mexican. We called him placenta.
you certainly seem to know alot. are you from america? stop generalizing
what, so if he is not american what he has to say has no merit? get over yourself.
i find that people from other countries have quite valid points of view in their supports and or criticisms of my country and its military and foreign policy. are other countries not affected by our policies abroad? if the US was smart they would take into consideration the opinions of the rest of the world, but with these nimrods in this administrations in charge it would never happen.
it is people like you who perpetuate the stereotype of americans being ignorant, arrogant, and dismissive of or indifferent to what the rest of the world thinks. there is a big difference between 650,000 and a million, but i am disturbed that you seem so proud of the 650,000 figure and so dismissive of the million figure. who really knows for sure other than the dead? if you want to be a cheerleader go ahead, but you can't dismiss the possibility of another 450,000 deaths simply because you don't want to believe that your military is capable of such things. i would tend to believe the people who are there and say they have lost a loved one over what the military brass concedes to the media who in turn does not report the important things.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
you certainly seem to know alot. are you from america? stop generalizing
I don't live in America. But that's irrelevant. Are you saying that anyone who doesn't live in America can't possibly know anything about the place? Stop generalizing!
Montgomery GI bill and Army College Fund combined gets me 2077.00 bucks a month. And Washington state has passed a reduced tuition adjustment for combat veterans. So in-state tuition plus a 50% reduction comes to 1050.00 bucks a quarter(three months). They only pay you for three years, but it's more than enough to save and cover your last year.
Sounds like a perfect opportunity to get some letters after your name. I wish i could go back to college/university here without it setting me back 5 grand or more.
Why do americans go on about "freedoms" all the time...
[cough] Cos some of them are brainwashed [/cough]
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
I don't live in America. But that's irrelevant. Are you saying that anyone who doesn't live in America can't possibly know anything about the place? Stop generalizing!
sure. you can read about america and see things on tv. but unless you are here there are certain things you just wont know. got it?
i find that people from other countries have quite valid points of view in their supports and or criticisms of my country and its military and foreign policy. are other countries not affected by our policies abroad? if the US was smart they would take into consideration the opinions of the rest of the world, but with these nimrods in this administrations in charge it would never happen.
there is a big difference between 650,000 and a million, but i am disturbed that you seem so proud of the 650,000 figure and so dismissive of the million figure.
what the fuck are you talking about? proud of the 650,000 figure? are you out of your fucking mind. I dont think that number is ANYWHERE close to the actual number of Iraqis killed in this war.
jesus, have you no memory man? we've been through all this before! you believe the numbers you want to believe, and i believe the numbers i want to believe. guess what?
WE'RE BOTH WRONG!!
however, i don't call people "scum" for believing.
oh, so now i have to go to the search function and find the post and cut and paste and quote you. ok, stay tuned.
dude where you been? this is about today. but I cant wait. its fun to see you get a hard on while using the search function. I'm on the edge of my seat hurry!!!!
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I disagree to a point....it was something of a rhetorical question...how can anyone in this day and age not be aware of certain things.......its mind boggling.
As for "everyone else who is suffering" - my point was that if they are suffering, its by their own hand !! Its astonishing to me that Americans would stand by and say, "ya, Bush really fucked up, but hey, I'm gonna support the troops regardless". Its not about bush, or Cheney, or Libby anymore. Its about the avg. American who can't see the irony of his/her choices. They want to divorce themselves from their choices.
I'm not comparing anything, I'm just saying the statistical method used in the study that produced the 650,000 number is the same method that has been used for a long time in the public health field.
The examples where to show you that the cdc for example didn't go and check the smoking habits of all the people dying from cancer. And there aren't UN agents behind every HIV infected person on the planet.
edit : That's true, the study charges 31% of the 650,000 figure to US army actions. (But it's no need to call people scum.)
And that number is an estimate, the lowest border of the range is 393,000.
fact remains that 650,000 or 1,000,000 like some scum will say, Iraqis have not been killed from American Troops.
It's called in active reserves. So technically if they wanted to call me back in they could. The odds are extremely slim though. I got out a month after I got back from Iraq and have been in school ever since.
Montgomery GI bill and Army College Fund combined gets me 2077.00 bucks a month. And Washington state has passed a reduced tuition adjustment for combat veterans. So in-state tuition plus a 50% reduction comes to 1050.00 bucks a quarter(three months). They only pay you for three years, but it's more than enough to save and cover your last year.
Since I don't have to work, I spend my time at a local community radio station, I started a non-profit to feed homeless in Seattle and have recently signed up to be a "Big Brother".
I worked with an immensely diverse multinational force in Kosovo, but never got to work with the Brits (or Irish). Although one time, a Royal Marine snuck up and scared the living shit out of us in the middle of the night, way deep in the woods. We were both lost. Sort of.
Heres some pictures of my company on one of the various humanitarian missions I partook in, I never got to do the fun stuff, because being the low man on the totem pole, my ass sat on top of a hmmwv all day pulling security. The top guy was my roommate in Germany, his name was Plascencia he was Mexican. We called him placenta.
http://www.geocities.com/kosovopics/2ndplt.html
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
what, so if he is not american what he has to say has no merit? get over yourself.
i find that people from other countries have quite valid points of view in their supports and or criticisms of my country and its military and foreign policy. are other countries not affected by our policies abroad? if the US was smart they would take into consideration the opinions of the rest of the world, but with these nimrods in this administrations in charge it would never happen.
it is people like you who perpetuate the stereotype of americans being ignorant, arrogant, and dismissive of or indifferent to what the rest of the world thinks. there is a big difference between 650,000 and a million, but i am disturbed that you seem so proud of the 650,000 figure and so dismissive of the million figure. who really knows for sure other than the dead? if you want to be a cheerleader go ahead, but you can't dismiss the possibility of another 450,000 deaths simply because you don't want to believe that your military is capable of such things. i would tend to believe the people who are there and say they have lost a loved one over what the military brass concedes to the media who in turn does not report the important things.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I don't live in America. But that's irrelevant. Are you saying that anyone who doesn't live in America can't possibly know anything about the place? Stop generalizing!
That's not a fact. It's a supposition.
Sounds like a perfect opportunity to get some letters after your name. I wish i could go back to college/university here without it setting me back 5 grand or more.
[cough] Cos some of them are brainwashed [/cough]
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
sure. you can read about america and see things on tv. but unless you are here there are certain things you just wont know. got it?
I agree
what the fuck are you talking about? proud of the 650,000 figure? are you out of your fucking mind. I dont think that number is ANYWHERE close to the actual number of Iraqis killed in this war.
That goes for you too buddy.
are you serious? so far the have found over 250 mass grave sites. why would you ask such a stupid question?
http://www.9neesan.com/massgraves/
http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/27000.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_grave
who's being the tough guy? I didnt claim to know why Iraqis or what kind of people in Iraq join the military. someone else did, about America.
know what your talking about before you open that big mouth of yours
I didnt use any number.
Sorry man, I always thought you were mentally challenged, that's why I brought it up.
calm the fuck down.
dude where you been? this is about today. but I cant wait. its fun to see you get a hard on while using the search function. I'm on the edge of my seat hurry!!!!
gooooooooo "freedom"....
not all the time. I learn something new everyday
No shit, I'll mail him some horse tranquilizers, maybe that'll help.
why do you have horse tranquilizers...?
I'm a Political Science major, duh.
it smells like a lock is brewing....
Now we're bringing it to the level of your momma. Nice.
I'm with ya, brother....