when strange beliefs turn into abusive or dangerous beliefs, it should cause concern.
if you want to praise a statue of a pink elephant, be my guest.
Absolutely. Anyone is free to believe in fairies, ghosts, shadow governments, angles, Santa, Jesus, Mohammed, buddha, the great white buffalo, whatever. As long as they don't try to make their fantasy a state religion, or pass laws to prop up their beliefs I don't really care, and am happy for the comic relief it provides.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
"In January of 2004, the local religious leader, Warren Jeffs, expelled a group of twenty men, including the mayor, and "gave" their wives and children to other men."
wtf? i like how they say women were given away to other men, like some kind of property.
i don't find it to be a good reason to dislike so much mormons for being unfriendly to outsiders. But i won't argue with you, i have no right to.
"In January of 2004, the local religious leader, Warren Jeffs, expelled a group of twenty men, including the mayor, and "gave" their wives and children to other men."
wtf? i like how they say women were given away to other men, like some kind of property.
i don't find it to be a good reason to dislike so much mormons for being unfriendly to outsiders. But i won't argue with you, i have no right to.
I shouldnt generalize but I just think the mormon way of thinking takes over innocent minds. like someone said, with their 2-3 year missions. its brainwashing. for the most part, they seem to be a peaceful religion. thats fine by me.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I shouldnt generalize but I just think the mormon way of thinking takes over innocent minds. like someone said, with their 2-3 year missions. its brainwashing. for the most part, they seem to be a peaceful religion. thats fine by me.
that's alright, i don't like people who brainwash others too
I was raised in the faith until about 14ish...family is pretty big in the church around these parts, grandfather & uncle were both the equivalent of a bishop/pastor...
JLew - the wiki link refers to the folks in one of the offshoots of the main LDS faith. They are definitely the "fundamentalist" sect, and the main congregation wholeheartedly condemns them & their practices. Warren Jeffs' group does NOT represent mainstream LDS beliefs.
By and large, the LDS folks are good people, at least in the 20+ years of my being involved or associated with them. I left the faith, but I do admire the emphasis on family that is found in a great many of the church's doctrines.
Just my .02...
"Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday."
-The Duke
I was raised in the faith until about 14ish...family is pretty big in the church around these parts, grandfather & uncle were both the equivalent of a bishop/pastor...
JLew - the wiki link refers to the folks in one of the offshoots of the main LDS faith. They are definitely the "fundamentalist" sect, and the main congregation wholeheartedly condemns them & their practices. Warren Jeffs' group does NOT represent mainstream LDS beliefs.
By and large, the LDS folks are good people, at least in the 20+ years of my being involved or associated with them.
Just my .02...
yea I hear ya. they just really get to me. good people, non violent, all good. but way too controlling of the mind.
and we can also see what the extra side becomes with Jeffs. ah well.
I don't know about that, I saw that two part documentary on PBS awhile back and I think it is just that Mormonism doesn't really have the advantage that other major religions have of being 1000's of years old so that anything the church refers to as miracles can't be thought of as ancient stories that have been filtered though history. I mean in really, is the idea of an angel giving a guy ancient plates in upstate NY an harder to believe then a burning bush talking to a guy in ancient Egypt?
thats just it though. Some Mormon beliefs CAN be proven or disproven. Its prophets CAN be exposed. Where as old religions CAN'T. Jesus and his disciples or whoever might have been total scumbags or true saints, so if someone thinks they are great who can say they are wrong? It happened too long ago to ever really judge. With mormonism thats not the case with some of the characters.
I thought Bill Maher's comment about Mormons was pretty funny. He said "Mormons are like Scientologists without the celebreties". It kind of sums it up, from all I've read.
I actually knew quite a few Mormons in college (for whatever reason several worked with me at a call center). Almost to a person they were very friendly, but I always felt like there was something there just under the surface I would find uncomfortable. I avoided religious talk. But they do preach marrying young and pro-creating young and often. And they are firm tithers - they give 10% of their earnings to the church.
thats just it though. Some Mormon beliefs CAN be proven or disproven. Its prophets CAN be exposed. Where as old religions CAN'T. Jesus and his disciples or whoever might have been total scumbags or true saints, so if someone thinks they are great who can say they are wrong? It happened too long ago to ever really judge. With mormonism thats not the case with some of the characters.
From a completely non-bias and objective view of religions, whether you believe in aliens, marrying young or the parting of the red sea, it's all hocus pocus. It's all a children's story taken far too seriously.
I bash beliefs, not people, and mormons aren't any more ridiculous than your run-of-the-mill Christian or newager.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
...the selective forces underlying the evolution of human cognitive architecture were critically connected to highly unstable climes.... Based on these considerations, I suggest that an important feature of hominid evolution was a process I have referred to as progressive externalization ...., whereby the brain's development becomes increasingly regulated by extrinsic factors, likely mediated by variation in the scheduling of various events in neural development. I suggest this process allows for flexible prefrontally mediated cognitive function, particularly in the social domain, and underlies the rapid changes in social structure that was a response to the need for buffering ecological instability. The upshot of this process was symbolic culture, which plays a central role in shaping the structures underlying human cognition. (Quartz 2001)
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
The one thing that really impressed me after watching the thing on PBS was the fact that after Hurricane Katrina, the Mormons were one of the first groups actually on the ground in the affect areas helping people and handing out tons food and supplies (to anyone who needed them, not just other Mormons). Things like that buy the mormons a lot of goodwill in my book.
The one thing that really impressed me after watching the thing on PBS was the fact that after Hurricane Katrina, the Mormons were one of the first groups actually on the ground in the affect areas helping people and handing out tons food and supplies (to anyone who needed them, not just other Mormons). Things like that buy the mormons a lot of goodwill in my book.
they did it for their own interests.....your post just confirms
some more then others. I was raised catholic. I remember asking a priest, what happens if I choose not to believe in all this. he told me its ok to believe whatever you want. since then I thought being catholic was not so bad.
I wasnt buried in the dirt up to my neck and have large rocks throw at my temple until I die.
Religion is defined as a belief in a diety or a value system that one lives by.
Therefore, any chosen path that one walks through life with is their own personal religion. If you take this deeper, we are all "brainwashed" by something or someone that influence our conclusions. Even those who are athiest fall into this category because they believe in something they themselves have not discovered or studied or proven. Unless the thought is original to you only, your perception and "understanding" of life came from somewhere be it books, teachers, media, parents etc.
"When you're climbing to the top, you'd better know the way back down" MSB
Religion is defined as a belief in a diety or a value system that one lives by.
Therefore, any chosen path that one walks through life with is their own personal religion. If you take this deeper, we are all "brainwashed" by something or someone that influence our conclusions. Even those who are athiest fall into this category because they believe in something they themselves have not discovered or studied or proven. Unless the thought is original to you only, your perception and "understanding" of life came from somewhere be it books, teachers, media, parents etc.
agree.....just thought it funny Jlew made this post when I thought he had some belief in religion.....
course he did get into the vic and I didn't soooooo maybe I should start believing.
some more then others. I was raised catholic. I remember asking a priest, what happens if I choose not to believe in all this. he told me its ok to believe whatever you want. since then I thought being catholic was not so bad.
I wasnt buried in the dirt up to my neck and have large rocks throw at my temple until I die.
i've attended numerous catholic events...and found quite the opposite....and heck to believe in the bible takes some serious mental manipulation....on the part of the believer....so mormon, catholic whatever...same stuff.
athiests....well they don't believe in anything....so not quite as bad.......
....and heck to believe in the bible takes some serious mental manipulation....on the part of the believer....so mormon, catholic whatever...same stuff.
athiests....well they don't believe in anything....so not quite as bad.......
ok. believe whatever you want. its really none of my business.
I've got no problem with Mormons or any other religious person. Believe what you want. It's of no consequence to me.
Having said that, I'm rather tired of the pairs of young American fellas in their white shirts and ties rolling up on my doorstep and wishing to engage me in conversation of a religious nature. I find them as irritating as Foxtel salesmen and any other door to door salesmen.
My home is my castle. I do not venture out of my home to convince you to worship Satan or Marilyn Manson, my little brothers big toe or Fried Green Tomatoes and I'd appreciate the same courtesy. If I wished to be informed about religion, ANY religion, then I will seek out that information, otherwise stay the hell away from my doorstep! You earn no respect from me by dropping by unannounced with your agenda all set. And the same goes for those little old ladies that keep popping up from the Jehovah's or that stupid woman who refuses to believe that when our letter box says "NO ADVERTISING MATERIAL" that means flyers from the local Baptist church too!
I've got no problem with Mormons or any other religious person. Believe what you want. It's of no consequence to me.
Having said that, I'm rather tired of the pairs of young American fellas in their white shirts and ties rolling up on my doorstep and wishing to engage me in conversation of a religious nature. I find them as irritating as Foxtel salesmen and any other door to door salesmen.
My home is my castle. I do not venture out of my home to convince you to worship Satan or Marilyn Manson, my little brothers big toe or Fried Green Tomatoes and I'd appreciate the same courtesy. If I wished to be informed about religion, ANY religion, then I will seek out that information, otherwise stay the hell away from my doorstep! You earn no respect from me by dropping by unannounced with your agenda all set. And the same goes for those little old ladies that keep popping up from the Jehovah's or that stupid woman who refuses to believe that when our letter box says "NO ADVERTISING MATERIAL" that means flyers from the local Baptist church too!
you should see the look on their faces when in the same breath you admit to being an atheist and having read the bible. and that you continue to read the bible.
and the little old ladies that ask me where i think my children came from. i tell them they came from me and their father.
i also inform them that holding up the earth as proof of God is not a very convincing argument.
and then they ask me if they can say a prayer for me. i say no and send them on their way.
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you should see the look on their faces when in the same breath you admit to being an atheist and having read the bible. and that you continue to read the bible.
and the little old ladies that ask me where i think my children came from. i tell them they came from me and their father.
i also inform them that holding up the earth as proof of God is not a very convincing argument.
and then they ask me if they can say a prayer for me. i say no and send them on their way.
I was so over it by the last lot of fine, upstanding American boys on my doorstep, that I told then we all worship satan here! And when they said that maybe god sent them to me to help me I said perhaps they should consider that maybe "GOD" or "SATAN" may have sent them to me in order that I enlighten them to another way of thinking?!
I've got no problem with Mormons or any other religious person. Believe what you want. It's of no consequence to me.
Having said that, I'm rather tired of the pairs of young American fellas in their white shirts and ties rolling up on my doorstep and wishing to engage me in conversation of a religious nature. I find them as irritating as Foxtel salesmen and any other door to door salesmen.
My home is my castle. I do not venture out of my home to convince you to worship Satan or Marilyn Manson, my little brothers big toe or Fried Green Tomatoes and I'd appreciate the same courtesy. If I wished to be informed about religion, ANY religion, then I will seek out that information, otherwise stay the hell away from my doorstep! You earn no respect from me by dropping by unannounced with your agenda all set. And the same goes for those little old ladies that keep popping up from the Jehovah's or that stupid woman who refuses to believe that when our letter box says "NO ADVERTISING MATERIAL" that means flyers from the local Baptist church too!
I don't know, this past spring around easter time, my neighbors who are Mormon left a book of Mormon on our door step along with a full bag of Starburst Jelly Beans, some Reese's Peanut Butter Cups, and other candy. Any religion that gives away full bags of candy, well they are welcome at my door anytime!!!!
I was so over it by the last lot of fine, upstanding American boys on my doorstep, that I told then we all worship satan here! And when they said that maybe god sent them to me to help me I said perhaps they should consider that maybe "GOD" or "SATAN" may have sent them to me in order that I enlighten them to another way of thinking?!
Why would you do that? These people are simply trying to share what they find good in their lives. If you aren't interested, just say "no thank you" and close the door. Better yet, simply put a note on your door that says something to the effect "religious visitors not welcome". Simple and dignified.
"When you're climbing to the top, you'd better know the way back down" MSB
Why would you do that? These people are simply trying to share what they find good in their lives. If you aren't interested, just say "no thank you" and close the door. Better yet, simply put a note on your door that says something to the effect "religious visitors not welcome". Simple and dignified.
They're just trying to get some nookie like everyone else.
They're just trying to get some nookie like everyone else.
Now see, thats just silly. While I don't want to engage in conversation with them, I respect the fact that they are doing what they feel is important and loving towards their neighbors. I simply thank them for their time and tell them I'm not interested. It doesn't take sarcasm, nastiness or argument to make them go away.
"When you're climbing to the top, you'd better know the way back down" MSB
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Absolutely. Anyone is free to believe in fairies, ghosts, shadow governments, angles, Santa, Jesus, Mohammed, buddha, the great white buffalo, whatever. As long as they don't try to make their fantasy a state religion, or pass laws to prop up their beliefs I don't really care, and am happy for the comic relief it provides.
"In January of 2004, the local religious leader, Warren Jeffs, expelled a group of twenty men, including the mayor, and "gave" their wives and children to other men."
wtf? i like how they say women were given away to other men, like some kind of property.
i don't find it to be a good reason to dislike so much mormons for being unfriendly to outsiders. But i won't argue with you, i have no right to.
I shouldnt generalize but I just think the mormon way of thinking takes over innocent minds. like someone said, with their 2-3 year missions. its brainwashing. for the most part, they seem to be a peaceful religion. thats fine by me.
that's alright, i don't like people who brainwash others too
JLew - the wiki link refers to the folks in one of the offshoots of the main LDS faith. They are definitely the "fundamentalist" sect, and the main congregation wholeheartedly condemns them & their practices. Warren Jeffs' group does NOT represent mainstream LDS beliefs.
By and large, the LDS folks are good people, at least in the 20+ years of my being involved or associated with them. I left the faith, but I do admire the emphasis on family that is found in a great many of the church's doctrines.
Just my .02...
-The Duke
yea I hear ya. they just really get to me. good people, non violent, all good. but way too controlling of the mind.
and we can also see what the extra side becomes with Jeffs. ah well.
thats just it though. Some Mormon beliefs CAN be proven or disproven. Its prophets CAN be exposed. Where as old religions CAN'T. Jesus and his disciples or whoever might have been total scumbags or true saints, so if someone thinks they are great who can say they are wrong? It happened too long ago to ever really judge. With mormonism thats not the case with some of the characters.
I actually knew quite a few Mormons in college (for whatever reason several worked with me at a call center). Almost to a person they were very friendly, but I always felt like there was something there just under the surface I would find uncomfortable. I avoided religious talk. But they do preach marrying young and pro-creating young and often. And they are firm tithers - they give 10% of their earnings to the church.
Jesus was exectued....
so there you go.
Nuclear fission
How could anyone hate these poor people?
Don't you want to go to space and breed like bunnies?
It's not the mormons' fault that black people are amoral.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
I bash beliefs, not people, and mormons aren't any more ridiculous than your run-of-the-mill Christian or newager.
...the selective forces underlying the evolution of human cognitive architecture were critically connected to highly unstable climes.... Based on these considerations, I suggest that an important feature of hominid evolution was a process I have referred to as progressive externalization ...., whereby the brain's development becomes increasingly regulated by extrinsic factors, likely mediated by variation in the scheduling of various events in neural development. I suggest this process allows for flexible prefrontally mediated cognitive function, particularly in the social domain, and underlies the rapid changes in social structure that was a response to the need for buffering ecological instability. The upshot of this process was symbolic culture, which plays a central role in shaping the structures underlying human cognition. (Quartz 2001)
Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb........dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb
some more then others. I was raised catholic. I remember asking a priest, what happens if I choose not to believe in all this. he told me its ok to believe whatever you want. since then I thought being catholic was not so bad.
I wasnt buried in the dirt up to my neck and have large rocks throw at my temple until I die.
Religion is defined as a belief in a diety or a value system that one lives by.
Therefore, any chosen path that one walks through life with is their own personal religion. If you take this deeper, we are all "brainwashed" by something or someone that influence our conclusions. Even those who are athiest fall into this category because they believe in something they themselves have not discovered or studied or proven. Unless the thought is original to you only, your perception and "understanding" of life came from somewhere be it books, teachers, media, parents etc.
course he did get into the vic and I didn't soooooo maybe I should start believing.
i've attended numerous catholic events...and found quite the opposite....and heck to believe in the bible takes some serious mental manipulation....on the part of the believer....so mormon, catholic whatever...same stuff.
athiests....well they don't believe in anything....so not quite as bad.......
ok. believe whatever you want. its really none of my business.
Define "belief"...please.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
Having said that, I'm rather tired of the pairs of young American fellas in their white shirts and ties rolling up on my doorstep and wishing to engage me in conversation of a religious nature. I find them as irritating as Foxtel salesmen and any other door to door salesmen.
My home is my castle. I do not venture out of my home to convince you to worship Satan or Marilyn Manson, my little brothers big toe or Fried Green Tomatoes and I'd appreciate the same courtesy. If I wished to be informed about religion, ANY religion, then I will seek out that information, otherwise stay the hell away from my doorstep! You earn no respect from me by dropping by unannounced with your agenda all set. And the same goes for those little old ladies that keep popping up from the Jehovah's or that stupid woman who refuses to believe that when our letter box says "NO ADVERTISING MATERIAL" that means flyers from the local Baptist church too!
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
you should see the look on their faces when in the same breath you admit to being an atheist and having read the bible. and that you continue to read the bible.
and the little old ladies that ask me where i think my children came from. i tell them they came from me and their father.
i also inform them that holding up the earth as proof of God is not a very convincing argument.
and then they ask me if they can say a prayer for me. i say no and send them on their way.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
I was so over it by the last lot of fine, upstanding American boys on my doorstep, that I told then we all worship satan here!
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
I don't know, this past spring around easter time, my neighbors who are Mormon left a book of Mormon on our door step along with a full bag of Starburst Jelly Beans, some Reese's Peanut Butter Cups, and other candy. Any religion that gives away full bags of candy, well they are welcome at my door anytime!!!!
They're just trying to get some nookie like everyone else.
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