New study shows humans have little effect on environment

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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Cosmo wrote:
    You appear to have little knowledge of Astronomy, yet, you present yourself as an Astronomer. Perhaps that is why many of us take your opinions as unreliable. Either that... or you do not possess any of the communication skills that convey what you are thinking. Again, those are only guesses on my part.

    well shit man, why not? i dont doubt it. he's a certified expert on every other discipline. add climatologist and astronomer to his resume.
  • genie
    genie Posts: 2,222
    onelongsong wrote:
    and people protecting their property will cause a lot of deaths. that's a given.

    i want to see those 2/3 of idiots, because if i know my life is under threat i do anything to avoid it at all costs, so yes i would leave my property and happily live in some trailer moving around the country like a hippy :)

    scientists can't predict how people might react, where ever you've taken this stats from.
  • genie
    genie Posts: 2,222
    onelongsong wrote:
    exactly. the indian islands are preparing to evacuate now because of the 8" rise and those islands contain millions of people. to top that off; they're too poor (the country as a whole) to evacuate these people in a proper fashion. food must be supplied. many have to evacuate on foot. the islands off new guinea are evacuating as we speak. we don't look at the rest of the world. when we refuse to look past our picket fences; we only see what's in our own backyard.

    No worries, i'm pretty sure USA and other countries will be able to help
  • genie
    genie Posts: 2,222
    even flow? wrote:
    They choose to call it "global warming" because if they called it by the true name "global poisoning" then everybody would be right except the companies doing the poisoning. And you can't argue that fact.

    :)
  • genie
    genie Posts: 2,222
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    Okay...
    But just to clarify... From what i understand... the Earth is spinning like a top and each full revolution, not orbit, defines our 24 hour day.
    The Earth's orbit around the Sun defines our year (and yes, the orbit is elliptical... meaning not a perfect circle). Elliptical orbit has nothing to do with variations on the plane of the ecliptic.
    The tilt of the Earth's axis defines the Four Seasons.
    Then there is Precession... which is the wobble of our revolutions. That takes abour 26,000 years. That will change the Earth's climate, but it is a long, slow process.
    And what you speak of.. i think you are saying... is the Earth's relative location in the Milky Way Galaxy, which has nothing to do with our climate. We are spinning away from the center of our galaxy... which is a one way trip.. not cyclical. The Sun, Earth and the rest of our Solar System remain in relative distances from each other as the whole thing spins within the arm of our Galaxy.
    Finally... our galaxy is spinning (which does not affect or short time climate) and the Galaxies move within the Universe. The Milky Way Galaxy is expected to collide with the Andromeda Galaxy in about 3 billion year. When that happens, all bets are of. but, we will be long gone before that. where 'We' is defined as our Sun, the Earth and the rest of our Solar system.
    ...
    All of our past mass extinctions have nothing to do with celestrial occurances... they all have to do with changes to our surface... be it asteroid or comet collision, plate tectonics (including volcanic activity and continental drift). Materials from our planet darkened the planet... the Sun doesn't get hotter and cooler in cycles. It is our atmosphere and what gets dumped into it that affects our climate.
    As the Sun cool, it will lose its ability to hold its mass and it will expand... consuming her terrestrial planets... us included. That will be a one time event... not cyclical.

    and these are the times when i wish i enrolled myself on Astronomy courses, instead of guitar courses :( :)
    I wish i had ennoying geek friend who would talk about astronomy for hours.

    Good post :)

    I also heard that Earth will collide with the Sun in the future. if so one or the other way we are all fucked.

    why debate about Global Warming? politicians and the goverment and big companies are selfish cunts they're only started caring about it recently, because they've found out that their own arses ( or their children's areses :D ) are going to be on the line too.

    All this talking about dying.....Jeez, and what if all of you were told that humans would not die, but trees, animals and brids and fish would suffer would they still all care about it? would you care?

    I don't know who's right and who's wrong, with science you never know, scientists always say one thing and then discover somthing new and say oh, no forget what we've said before listen to this new information we found.

    Bottom line is that it doesn't matter if we are contributing to it or not, we should not shit on our Mother Earth, we should take care of it and respect it, because it gave us life.
  • genie
    genie Posts: 2,222
    genie wrote:

    Bottom line is that it doesn't matter if we are contributing to it or not, we should not shit on our Mother Earth, we should take care of it and respect it, because it gave us life.


    and yes, that's right, i'm telling you all motherfuckers :D what you should do!
  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    Scubascott wrote:
    I didn't read the whole thread, so I don't know if this has been pointed out yet. One of the authors was Fred Singer

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Singer

    The guy has zero credibility. I would be interested to hear who funded this work.

    He's obviously payed to write what they want him to.
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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    It certainly isn't an Astronomy thread as long as you are posting.
    Protected from what? The Sun?
    Correction... we are in one of the arms of the Milky Way Galaxy... not in the center. Look at the constellation Sagittarius... the center of our galaxy is thataway. And the location of our sun (thus, the Earth.. thus, us) in the Milky Way has nothing to do with our climate.
    ...
    In simplest terms:
    Our climate is based upon events that occur in our atmosphere. What part of that don't you understand?

    i don't understand why you can't understand. the science channel had a nice explanation of this theory on within the last 2 weeks. months ago i told you of another show which explained this theory. why hound me when you obviously don't want to know the answer?
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    genie wrote:
    i want to see those 2/3 of idiots, because if i know my life is under threat i do anything to avoid it at all costs, so yes i would leave my property and happily live in some trailer moving around the country like a hippy :)

    scientists can't predict how people might react, where ever you've taken this stats from.

    history predicts how people will react. people are predictable.
    you may fancy traveling about in a trailer; but where will your food; petrol; and other necessities come from?
  • Pearl Jam and toast
    Pearl Jam and toast Posts: 4,475
    gabers wrote:
    Interesting find and worth the read. I wonder how much cred it gets from leading climatologists. The thing is, you can get a group of four scientists to agree we all descended from aliens, but that doesn't mean you should believe it. Now if Tom Cruise told me I might...

    I don't really understand the obsession with disproving global warming is at least influenced by man. It's really quite a simple theory.
    +1. I bet if you follow the money trail funding that group it will lead you into the pockets of the conservatives or some kind of industry that is threatened by environmentalists (oil....).

    My favorite part of the article was where it said "c02 emission reduction is pointless". Like Global Warming was the only problem it caused. A really sound scientific mind must have written this article. :rolleyes:
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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Pearl Jam and toast wrote:
    +1. I bet if you follow the money trail funding that group it will lead you into the pockets of the conservatives or some kind of industry that is threatened by environmentalists (oil....).

    My favorite part of the article was where it said "c02 emission reduction is useless". Like Global Warming was the only problem it caused. A really sound scientific mind must have written this article. :rolleyes:

    i pointed this out earlier. the study is a canadian study; and their economy is based on their oil sales. always follow the money and you'll find your answers.
  • Strangest Tribe
    Strangest Tribe Posts: 2,502
    No matter what the findings are it won't hurt us to react to finding alternatives to our current lifestyle. Even a small change will make a difference.
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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Strangest Tribe wrote:
    No matter what the findings are it won't hurt us to react to finding alternatives to our current lifestyle. Even a small change will make a difference.

    we've past the point of needing scientists. we need only to open our eyes and look around us.
  • Pearl Jam and toast
    Pearl Jam and toast Posts: 4,475
    onelongsong wrote:
    i pointed this out earlier. the study is a canadian study; and their economy is based on their oil sales. always follow the money and you'll find your answers.
    Wow, and I was just taking a wild guess. :p
    Come on pilgrim you know he loves you..

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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    onelongsong wrote:
    i don't understand why you can't understand. the science channel had a nice explanation of this theory on within the last 2 weeks. months ago i told you of another show which explained this theory. why hound me when you obviously don't want to know the answer?
    ...
    This isn't really about Astronomy. It's mostly about your lack of credibility.
    You say, "I've been saying this" or "I'm saying that".... and wonder WHY people don't listen. Why SHOULD anyone listen to you? Your credability is questionable at best... based upon so many completely false statements in your past. Why should we take anything you have to say today seriously?
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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Pearl Jam and toast wrote:
    Wow, and I was just taking a wild guess. :p

    good guess. can you "guess" some lottery numbers for me :D
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Absolutely there will be some fatal consequences associated with global warming. But you're already blaming global warming for fatal storms without actually linking the two together. Furthermore, others here are predicting near extinction level events without any sound reasoning to support their claims. 75% of this issue reeks of herd thinking, panic, and pseudo-science.


    I'll certainly accept it when you offer some evidence of some of the specific claims you're making. Just because global warming is happening doesn't mean global warming is causing every weather event that comes along. Is global warming responsible for the Midwest ice storms we're seeing today? Is global warming responsible for below-average hurricane seasons? Is global warming responsible for the fact that it's 80 degrees in NC today? Is global warming responsible for Artic ice levels being at record lows? Is global warming responsible for Antarctic ice levels being at record highs? Show me actual science as opposed to silly conjecture and I'll happily agree with you. Show me panic and irrationality and I'm going to be a bit skeptical.

    I'm not suggesting that the fact that these events that happened in the past somehow disproves global warming hypotheses. I'm simply saying that events happening now that have happened in the past can't be immediately linked to global warming and treated as direct results of that warming.

    Climate change is certainly happening and mankind certainly plays a role. But the silly conjecture, rampant hypocrisy, the constant utilization of apocalyptic language and the constant irrelevant references to "consensus" make me seriously doubt the sincerity of climate change advocates. People have always loved dire predictions and people rarely notice that the vast majority of dire predictions end up being largely overstated.

    apologies for the delay in response

    well - no one is gonna be able to provide you the proof you seek - if you understood what the fundamental science is behind climate change you would know you are asking for the impossible ...

    there may have been a relatively mild atlantic hurricane season but look at what happened in the pacific ... in fact - look at the year in weather and look at the number of extreme weather events ...

    i am sympathetic to your aversion to catostrophic language ... i believe too many people focus on that only to avoid listening to what the message entails ...

    the reality is that we are now starting to see the real impacts of climate change - it will only get worse and with each subsequent impact - it becomes too late for some life ...
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    polaris wrote:
    apologies for the delay in response

    well - no one is gonna be able to provide you the proof you seek - if you understood what the fundamental science is behind climate change you would know you are asking for the impossible ...

    there may have been a relatively mild atlantic hurricane season but look at what happened in the pacific ... in fact - look at the year in weather and look at the number of extreme weather events ...

    i am sympathetic to your aversion to catostrophic language ... i believe too many people focus on that only to avoid listening to what the message entails ...

    the reality is that we are now starting to see the real impacts of climate change - it will only get worse and with each subsequent impact - it becomes too late for some life ...

    there is none so blind as he who will not see. i find it heartbreaking when we close our eyes to important issues.
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