New study shows humans have little effect on environment

onelongsong

chopitdown wrote:

if only there was a thread that talked a bit about this...;)
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=266393

very good. but the facts are still relevant today. my best friend was a congressman for years. i've had influence on several bills by talking it over with him; who in turn brings that information to the congressional floor.

my point is the people that get considered are those who KNOW SOMEONE. when we were in the recession a few decades ago i still had work because i knew someone. i'm 52 years old and i never recall america working in any other way.

LikeAnOcean

Fine. Lets pretend the article is right, continue to be so dependent on oil, that when we run out, we all kill each other have to live in a Mad Max world.

For me its not the temperature of the Earth, but paying $3+ a gallon.

Gas also creates smog, which smells like shit and is bad for our lungs.

So, either way you look at it.. I still think Al Gore is right. If you have to bullshit to get an important point across, so be it. People don't act unless the effects are right in front of them, so sometimes scare tactics are the only way to open peoples minds.

onelongsong

NoK wrote:

Don't get me wrong I'm all for finding solutions or at least minimizing damage (as you believe) but if you come to people with such a message thats the first thing they'll tell you. There's a limit to the amount you can provoke someone and get a positive reaction from them.

i'm telling you the truth. the government won't because of the fear of panic. if i were in charge; i too would keep feeding hope to the public. our government has always been a WAIT AND SEE government. we knew the japs were going to invade pearl harbour but we waited to see. the taliban attacked the WTC in 1992 but instead of taking action; we waited to see what they'll do next. we're discussing this like normal human beings. i threw my prediction into the pot. some will agree, and do some research. others will say i'm a nutter and ignore it. but when the time comes; you'll remember i said it here.

onelongsong

LikeAnOcean wrote:

Fine. Lets pretend the article is right, continue to be so dependent on oil, that when we run out, we all kill each other have to live in a Mad Max world.

For me its not the temperature of the Earth, but paying $3+ a gallon.

Gas also creates smog, which smells like shit and is bad for our lungs.

So, either way you look at it.. I still think Al Gore is right. If you have to bullshit to get an important point across, so be it. People don't act unless the effects are right in front of them, so sometimes scare tactics are the only way to open peoples minds.

although al gore is right about some things; i don't agree with him on others. he comes accross as someone who parrots what someone else whispers in his ear. that's why i don't like him. he doesn't back up what he says with real facts; only the opinions of others.
i am grateful to him because he forced me to do my own research. i found out where he's wrong and where he's right. my research uncovered things not one of the scientists have brought to light. it's allowed me to prepare; whether it happens or not.

farfromglorified

onelongsong wrote:

2/3 of the population will die because of global warming.

WTF??? Can you site any fact or study that could corroborate this?

we've passed the point of no return. the ice predicted to be melted by 2050 is already melted.

Do you see the absolutely silly logic that people resort to on this issue? Tell me, if you put an ice cube in a bowl and it melted, would you stare at the bowl and hysterically shout "We've past the point of no return"???

onelongsong

farfromglorified wrote:

WTF??? Can you site any fact or study that could would corroborate this?

yes; i can quote history. i can walk in the arizona desert and find corals from the last time our ice cover melted.

farfromglorified wrote:

Do you see the absolutely silly logic that people resort to on this issue? Tell me, if you put an ice cube in a bowl and it melted, would you stare at the bowl and hysterically shout "We've past the point of no return"???

that would work if all our ice was sitting in the water. fill that glass and dump ice cubes into it. it will over-flow. we have glaciers in mountains melting so fast villages and towns are being wiped out due to floods. the ice in greenland is on land and pouring into the ocean. the ice in antartica; (our largest ice mass) is on land. the point is; that the ice sitting in the water has melted. from this point on; the meltwater is coming off land and flowing into the ocean.

btw; the reason we've past the point of no return is because we can no longer clean up the enviornment fast enough to stop the melting of the remaining ice.

farfromglorified

onelongsong wrote:

yes; i can quote history. i can walk in the arizona desert and find corals from the last time our ice cover melted.

That would do nothing to support your claim the 2/3 of people will die from global warming.

that would work if all our ice was sitting in the water. fill that glass and dump ice cubes into it. it will over-flow. we have glaciers in mountains melting so fast villages and towns are being wiped out due to floods. the ice in greenland is on land and pouring into the ocean. the ice in antartica; (our largest ice mass) is on land. the point is; that the ice sitting in the water has melted. from this point on; the meltwater is coming off land and flowing into the ocean.

Wonderful. This horrific process has happened millions of times already during an esoteric cyclical period known as "summer". There is also another esoterical cyclical period known as "winter", where much of the opposite happens.

btw; the reason we've past the point of no return is because we can no longer clean up the enviornment fast enough to stop the melting of the remaining ice.

Again, care to support this statement? 50 years ago, aerosols were doing enough to level off temperatures from an existing warming trend (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change#Aerosols), yet you're saying we're powerful enough to cause this horrific warming but too pitifully weak to stop it?

onelongsong

farfromglorified wrote:

That would do nothing to support your claim the 2/3 of people will die from global warming.

none of that 2/3 is prepared to evacuate. they also don't realize that gas won't be able to be delivered nor will food. do the math.

farfromglorified wrote:

Wonderful. This horrific process has happened millions of times already during an esoteric cyclical period known as "summer". There is also another esoterical cyclical period known as "winter", where much of the opposite happens.

what's happening now has only happened 4 times in the history of the earth. you can make small insignificant examples but they don't mean a thing when we've lost this much ice cover.

farfromglorified wrote:

Again, care to support this statement? 50 years ago, aerosols were doing enough to level off temperatures from an existing warming trend (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change#Aerosols), yet you're saying we're powerful enough to cause this horrific warming but too pitifully weak to stop it?

no; we're too bullheaded to stop it. if we were going to do something to stop it; we would've done it. it's too late now.

i don't want to argue with you. i presented my opinion and you either believe it or you don't. if you truely want answers; i'll give them to you. but i won't argue.

chopitdown

onelongsong wrote:

what's happening now has only happened 4 times in the history of the earth. you can make small insignificant examples but they don't mean a thing when we've lost this much ice cover.

no; we're too bullheaded to stop it. if we were going to do something to stop it; we would've done it. it's too late now.

if it's happened 4 times in the history of the earth CAN we stop it then?? I'm assuming there are no factory remains or SUV remains from the last time this whole global warming thing happened, so it's prob not that, so why are we so arrogant to think we can stop it? It happened without our involvement 4 other times, why should this time be any different?

NoK

chopitdown wrote:

if it's happened 4 times in the history of the earth CAN we stop it then?? I'm assuming there are no factory remains or SUV remains from the last time this whole global warming thing happened, so it's prob not that, so why are we so arrogant to think we can stop it? It happened without our involvement 4 other times, why should this time be any different?

The point is we are speeding it up and making it even more drastic.

soulsinging

HANKTHELANK wrote:

Climate scientists at the University of Rochester, the University of Alabama, and the University of Virginia

sorry, but when i think of the scientific elite of the world, these guys aint on the list. and when i think of real, legit news sources, prison planet isn't either.

farfromglorified

onelongsong wrote:

none of that 2/3 is prepared to evacuate. they also don't realize that gas won't be able to be delivered nor will food. do the math.

Ok. So 1/3 of the human population will "evacuate", and 2/3 will just sit there and die because there will be no gas or food deliveries? Where do you come up with this junk?

Here's a historic sea level graph:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Post-Glacial_Sea_Level.png

As you can see, sea levels have been rising since the start of human civilization. And, throughout that period, people have been living primarily near water. Yet here's a graph of the Earth's population

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Population_curve.svg

Now, how can this possibly be???

what's happening now has only happened 4 times in the history of the earth. you can make small insignificant examples but they don't mean a thing when we've lost this much ice cover.

What is happening now? Warming??? It's only warmed 4 times in this history of the earth? And, regardless of how many times this has happened, so what? Are you suggesting that somehow the uniqueness of the situation has some bearing on our abilities to survive?

no; we're too bullheaded to stop it.

That's ridiculous. Time and time again when humanity has faced challenges, we've met them. Not always perfectly, not always immediately, but the fact that you're here to predict the end of man is entirely because many people who came before you weren't too bullheaded to meet the challeneges they faced.

if we were going to do something to stop it; we would've done it. it's too late now.

Too late by what measure? When exactly did it become too late? What date? What time?

i don't want to argue with you. i presented my opinion and you either believe it or you don't. if you truely want answers; i'll give them to you. but i won't argue.

You presented a completely baseless opinion that 2/3's of the world population will die of global warming. I don't believe it.

soulsinging

chopitdown wrote:

avg temp of 82 in december...hell i'd become a global warming advocate for a free trip to Bali
Let's not kid ourselves...some of those scientists saying there is global warming also have something to gain (money by funding and by business relations) by saying it is happening. I still think they should approach this from a conservation standpoint rather than a global warming standpoint.

what's the difference? i honestly didn't know there was a distinction. don't the actions plans for both look pretty much the same?

soulsinging

NoK wrote:

Most people need that extra jolt to do things. You tell them you're gonna die because of global warming, they will automatically try to stop it. If you tell them please stop polluting they will tell you to go f*** yourself. Quite simple really.

it works for abortion. difficult questions about conception, fetal development, and the beginning of life are so much less compelling than KILLING BABIES! they just don't like that the left is learning to use their scare tactics against them. they're not used to being on the defensive.

onelongsong

chopitdown wrote:

if it's happened 4 times in the history of the earth CAN we stop it then?? I'm assuming there are no factory remains or SUV remains from the last time this whole global warming thing happened, so it's prob not that, so why are we so arrogant to think we can stop it? It happened without our involvement 4 other times, why should this time be any different?

because the last 4 times there was a reason for the greenhouse gasses (ie: siberian trapps; etc) and the earth followed it's natural course to correct it. we could have stopped it. i think it's too late based on my reasearch and i hope like hell i'm wrong. people should have listened years ago but we had scientists who wanted to be famous by going against the general concensus of the scientific community. if we want an example of what will happen when the coasts flood; look at katrina. naturally it won't happen that fast but the water will still mix with gas; herbicides; pesticides; and sewage making them toxic waste sites. if a massive piece of glacier slides off greenland we'll see a massive jump in sea level. we're not prepared to evacuate from that senareo; yet the ice is sliding into the ocean.

soulsinging

onelongsong wrote:

because the last 4 times there was a reason for the greenhouse gasses (ie: siberian trapps; etc) and the earth followed it's natural course to correct it. we could have stopped it. i think it's too late based on my reasearch

your research? are you talking about the car in the garage thing?

onelongsong

farfromglorified wrote:

Ok. So 1/3 of the human population will "evacuate", and 2/3 will just sit there and die because there will be no gas or food deliveries? Where do you come up with this junk?

Here's a historic sea level graph:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Post-Glacial_Sea_Level.png

As you can see, sea levels have been rising since the start of human civilization. And, throughout that period, people have been living primarily near water. Yet here's a graph of the Earth's population

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Population_curve.svg

Now, how can this possibly be???



What is happening now? Warming??? It's only warmed 4 times in this history of the earth? And, regardless of how many times this has happened, so what? Are you suggesting that somehow the uniqueness of the situation has some bearing on our abilities to survive?



That's ridiculous. Time and time again when humanity has faced challenges, we've met them. Not always perfectly, not always immediately, but the fact that you're here to predict the end of man is entirely because many people who came before you weren't too bullheaded to meet the challeneges they faced.



Too late by what measure? When exactly did it become too late? What date? What time?



You presented a completely baseless opinion that 2/3's of the world population will die of global warming. I don't believe it.

1/3 already live on high ground. but i'm glad you don't believe it. just look at the other posts and your questions will be answered. many have already answered your questions. i'd only be repeating them.

onelongsong

soulsinging wrote:

your research? are you talking about the car in the garage thing?

no; that's an experiment for idiots that don't believe we're contributing. the intelligent ones already know that.

as far as research goes; do you think this knowledge just comes to me in the night?

onelongsong

NoK wrote:

The point is we are speeding it up and making it even more drastic.

thank you. at least 1 person figured it out.

farfromglorified

onelongsong wrote:

1/3 already live on high ground. but i'm glad you don't believe it.

Ok...help me understand this. Is all the high ground taken? Are those of us above sea level standing shoulder-to-shoulder hurling bricks at the lowly beach dwellers?

Tell me, what happened to the 2/3 who lived next to rising sea levels 1000 years ago, or 500 years ago? Were their corpses simply washed out to sea and no one noticed?