Smoking banned in private houses in San Franscisco

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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    farfromglorified wrote:
    I do realize that. Not sure what your point is here, however.



    Certainly.

    the point is that a total ban would instantly throw hundreds of thousands of people into deep poverty. a few states entire economy would colapse.
    but you will pay to support these people. the government will have to buy out these farms; pay to relocate these people; and give them welfare until they can re-establish themselves. entering a work force with only the knowledge of growing tobacco.
    since the governments money comes from you; you pay.
    the current plan slowly trains these people for other jobs and helps to move the economy in preperation for the close of the tobacco industry.
    also remember that many of the children in these households are home schooled. it's hard to get a school bus to drive 30 miles into remote farm areas to pick up a few children. i can't even get electricity to my ranch even if i wanted it.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    onelongsong wrote:
    the point is that a total ban would instantly throw hundreds of thousands of people into deep poverty. a few states entire economy would colapse.

    Let's no go crazy here. I live in NC, the major tabocco producing state. And while a total ban would certainly harm the economy here, it certainly wouldn't "collapse". Nor would "hundreds of thousands of people" go into deep poverty. Even without a nickel of US consumer money, the international market for US cigarettes is very strong.

    Banning tabacco use is simply wrong from a moral and common sense standpoint. The economic and health concerns are secondary.
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    yield2me wrote:
    Is California even part of the US anymore? Seems like they are less and less

    Exactly. Check out the lightbulb thread.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • Vedderlution_Baby
    Vedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    I don't understand how they can ban cigarettes for private use as long as they're still legal? It would be more understandable (while not agreeable) if they planned on making the act of smoking tobacco illegal but that's not the case.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Start a thread about banning smoking in bars or businesses -- you'll see the opposite opinions when the ban wouldn't apply to someplace these people own.

    I see the benefit in having smoke free bars and resturuants but I don't agree with a mandatory ban. I don't think that the government should force a private business, like a bar, to be smoke free, but should offer some type of incentive (tax break for example) to entice the owner(s) to make that choice.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    mammasan wrote:
    I see the benefit in having smoke free bars and resturuants but I don't agree with a mandatory ban. I don't think that the government should force a private business, like a bar, to be smoke free, but should offer some type of incentive (tax break for example) to entice the owner(s) to make that choice.

    What about giving them free cigarettes?
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Fair enough. And I agree with the above.

    However, the country has already sanctioned governmental profit from that behavior as well. And that will, in most places, override the above.

    i dont think there's anything profit doesn't over-ride in this country ;)
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    farfromglorified wrote:
    What about giving them free cigarettes?

    What ever works.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • yield2me
    yield2me Posts: 1,291
    the last thing this country needs is another product to sell on the black market
    “May you live to be 100 and may the last voice you hear be mine.” - Frank Sinatra
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Let's no go crazy here. I live in NC, the major tabocco producing state. And while a total ban would certainly harm the economy here, it certainly wouldn't "collapse". Nor would "hundreds of thousands of people" go into deep poverty. Even without a nickel of US consumer money, the international market for US cigarettes is very strong.

    Banning tabacco use is simply wrong from a moral and common sense standpoint. The economic and health concerns are secondary.

    so you don't think that maybe 10,000 people going on welfare in your state at once would collapse the economy? does NC have that much in extra funds? and if a total ban were enacted; tobacco would have to be illegal to grow or own. thus eliminating the international market.

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