Onelongsong is HARDLY a liberal, and I'm pretty damn sure he doesn't really support it anyway.
Well... Ok I get that there are no liberals. Atleast you're here to tell me how everyone else thinks. Is there a manual I missed at the front door that had all of this information in it?
"Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Onelongsong is HARDLY a liberal, and I'm pretty damn sure he doesn't really support it anyway.
onelongsong is just an ex hippie who wanted to clean up the earth in the 60's and never gave up. i'm a smoker (although i'd like to quit) but i do like the government trying to push shit like this. i am hell bent on sueing the oil companies for the pollution and health hazards theor products cause. precident has been set be the tobacco industry suit so it's no longer a frivolous lawsuit.
i'm sure ya'll will be pissed as hell at me b/c the price of gas will jump when the suit is filed. if i win gas will cost well over $20.00 USD/gallon.
either way i win. gas will be too expensive and people will use much less. trucks will be forced to use bio-deisel helping the farming community and cleaning up the air.
people had the chance to conserve but they didn't. i'm just helping the cause.
onelongsong is just an ex hippie who wanted to clean up the earth in the 60's and never gave up. i'm a smoker (although i'd like to quit) but i do like the government trying to push shit like this. i am hell bent on sueing the oil companies for the pollution and health hazards theor products cause. precident has been set be the tobacco industry suit so it's no longer a frivolous lawsuit.
i'm sure ya'll will be pissed as hell at me b/c the price of gas will jump when the suit is filed. if i win gas will cost well over $20.00 USD/gallon.
either way i win. gas will be too expensive and people will use much less. trucks will be forced to use bio-deisel helping the farming community and cleaning up the air.
people had the chance to conserve but they didn't. i'm just helping the cause.
Wow, neato!
Do you drive any vehicles, or put money in the pockets of anyone who does?
"Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Hold the fricken cigarette companies responsible for selling a product that has been proved to be dangerous...and lethal. The CEO's were caught LYING to CONGRESS....yet EVERY-thing they've ever done...only penalizes those people who smoke (the extra taxes...the you can't smoke here and there laws).
why doesn't the gov't grow some balls...and actually go after the tobacco companies????
“Kept in a small bowl, the goldfish will remain small. With more space, the fish can grow double, triple, or quadruple its size.”
-Big Fish
Hold the fricken cigarette companies responsible for selling a product that has been proved to be dangerous...and lethal. The CEO's were caught LYING to CONGRESS....yet EVERY-thing they've ever done...only penalizes those people who smoke (the extra taxes...the you can't smoke here and there laws).
why doesn't the gov't grow some balls...and actually go after the tobacco companies????
that'd be like throwing away all the money in your pocket.
Impossible to police, TOTAL invasion of both privacy and our civil rights, and a complete bullshit law all around. The only fucking crutch they have on marijuana legislation is that getting high is of the devil, and this time they don't even have that.
It's fucking stupid and immoral to make this kind of law.
Hold the fricken cigarette companies responsible for selling a product that has been proved to be dangerous...and lethal. The CEO's were caught LYING to CONGRESS....yet EVERY-thing they've ever done...only penalizes those people who smoke (the extra taxes...the you can't smoke here and there laws).
why doesn't the gov't grow some balls...and actually go after the tobacco companies????
Well, atleast you're looking out for #1. And that's OK in my book.
i'm looking out for our children; grandchildren; great grandchildren; and anyone else that will live on this earth when we're gone. we have no right to destroy it and leave the mess for someone else to clean up.
Banning in private homes, noone will accept I think. But how for real is this? The source wasn't exactly impartial, and I couldn't see the base details. Is it a ban on smoking in bars (which usually are privately owned, and no principal difference from your own home and so on) or really a ban on smoking in homes anywhere? Sounds improbable, but if it's really really true, then I don't know what to say.
Ban on smoking in bars isn't as bad as it was cracked up to be. Coming from a smoker here.
Peace
Dan
"YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
"I love to smoke. I smoke seven thousand packs a day, ok. And I am never fucking quitting! I don't care how many laws they make. What's the law now? You can only smoke in your apartment, under a blanket, with all the lights out? Is that the rule now, huh?! The cops are outside, "We know you have the cigarettes. Come out of the house with the cigarettes above your head." "You'll never get me copper! I'm never coming out, you hear? I got a cigarette machine right here in my bedroom. Yeah!"
Know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna get one of those tracheotomies. So I can smoke two cigarettes at the same time. I'm gonna get nine tracheotomies all the way around my neck. I'll be Tracheotomie Man! "He can smoke a pack at a time! He's Tracheotomie Man!"
i'll play the devil's advocate here, though i don't totally agree with it.
1- young children and babies will be less likely to be exposed to second hand cigarette smoke which is more harmful to them than it is to an adult
2- a large number of house fires are put down to people smoking in bed. theoretically this should reduce the number of housefires. while it may not be such a problem in a suburb "what, your house is on fire? haha, mine's not" it would be more problematic in a city "your house is on fire...but we share a wall and a ceiling!"
3- the amount spent on health care and preventative programs can be lessened as less and less people can smoke to the extent that they used to.
4- the worst thing about a night out [apart from the hangover] was how your clothes always stank afterwards. guess what, you can wear that shirt a second time now. while this is unlikely to be a factor for the introduction of the law, it's a practical consequence.
having said all that, it is an invasive act. perhaps more practical alternatives can be found to reduce the numbers of people smoking... increase health insurance premiums/penalties on surgery for smokers. The only public hospital in my hometown is considering banning smokers from having elective surgery as the waiting list is so long.
i'd add more but i have to go work.
just a few thoughts, Adam
waiting for the great leap forward
12 people may make the one decision but that doesn't make it right.
I hate to say it, but it's my town that caused this. I live in Belmont, CA.- the first place in the nation to ban smoking anywhere except in your own single family detached home. We had no idea this was happening because, like a lot of people, I don't go to town hall meetings. If I had, I would have spoke up. Not because I smoke (I don't), but it's a ridiculous and unenforcable law. My next door neighbor (who does smoke), spoke to a cop and he said there's no way that they can enforce it. Evidently the city councilmen/women listened to one old guy who went to the meetings, complained that his neighbor didn't close his/her window when they smoked, and thought that there should be no smoking in Belmont. The council people thought it would be a good way to get Belmont's name out there.
Now my neighbor is being forced out of the apartment complex if he doesn't give up smoking. No, he doesn't have a lease anymore so he has no legal right. I don't think he'd fight it anyway because he's sick of the town. I don't blame him.
this thread is misleading. the legislation is propsed only. even if it passes in SF, Arnold will find a way around it by passing counter legislation in his smoking tent in Sacramento. yes, he had an actual smoking (cigar) tent put up at the state legislature.
The govt should stay the fuck out of peoples houses.
Im with ya on that one. Has anyone even considered the possible abuse of this law by law enforcement. I can just see it now..."we had an anonymous tip that John Doe was smoking a cigarette in his home, so we executed a search as there was no time for a warrant before the cigarette went out..." Oh yeah, that shit is real!
by chance has anyone ever read stephen king's short story "the ten o'clock people from "night shift"? the more i read about smoking laws, the more i think of that story.
(10 o'clock people = the groups of people you see outside smoking on break. come rain or shine)
by chance has anyone ever read stephen king's short story "the ten o'clock people from "night shift"? the more i read about smoking laws, the more i think of that story.
(10 o'clock people = the groups of people you see outside smoking on break. come rain or shine)
Aye. love that story.
Peace
Dan
"YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
i agree, smoking should be totally banned outright, the sooner the better. filthy friggin habit. i want my daughter to grow up in a world where ciggarettes were one of those stupid things humans did in ancient history.
I want my kids to grow up in a world without the stench of filthy hippies but that isn't going to happen either.
Thankfully, it will be awhile before this passes. Once state-funded health care costs completely take over government budgets, however, this is going to happen.
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Well... Ok I get that there are no liberals. Atleast you're here to tell me how everyone else thinks. Is there a manual I missed at the front door that had all of this information in it?
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
I'm patiently waiting for my 9,000th post trophy.
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
"Hi, my neighbour is currently smoking in his kitchen, hurry up and you'll catch him"
-Jean-Jacques Rousseau
onelongsong is just an ex hippie who wanted to clean up the earth in the 60's and never gave up. i'm a smoker (although i'd like to quit) but i do like the government trying to push shit like this. i am hell bent on sueing the oil companies for the pollution and health hazards theor products cause. precident has been set be the tobacco industry suit so it's no longer a frivolous lawsuit.
i'm sure ya'll will be pissed as hell at me b/c the price of gas will jump when the suit is filed. if i win gas will cost well over $20.00 USD/gallon.
either way i win. gas will be too expensive and people will use much less. trucks will be forced to use bio-deisel helping the farming community and cleaning up the air.
people had the chance to conserve but they didn't. i'm just helping the cause.
Wow, neato!
Do you drive any vehicles, or put money in the pockets of anyone who does?
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
i use bio-deisel and i'm a food producer so my products won't be effected by the rising costs. no matter what happens; you still have to eat.
Well, atleast you're looking out for #1. And that's OK in my book.
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
Hold the fricken cigarette companies responsible for selling a product that has been proved to be dangerous...and lethal. The CEO's were caught LYING to CONGRESS....yet EVERY-thing they've ever done...only penalizes those people who smoke (the extra taxes...the you can't smoke here and there laws).
why doesn't the gov't grow some balls...and actually go after the tobacco companies????
-Big Fish
that'd be like throwing away all the money in your pocket.
It's fucking stupid and immoral to make this kind of law.
http://www.wishlistfoundation.org
Oh my, they dropped the leash.
Morgan Freeman/Clint Eastwood 08' for President!
"Make our day"
I can't say it any better than this...
i'm looking out for our children; grandchildren; great grandchildren; and anyone else that will live on this earth when we're gone. we have no right to destroy it and leave the mess for someone else to clean up.
Ban on smoking in bars isn't as bad as it was cracked up to be. Coming from a smoker here.
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
Know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna get one of those tracheotomies. So I can smoke two cigarettes at the same time. I'm gonna get nine tracheotomies all the way around my neck. I'll be Tracheotomie Man! "He can smoke a pack at a time! He's Tracheotomie Man!"
-Dennis Leary
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Public establishments...no problem, and absolutely prudent.
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1- young children and babies will be less likely to be exposed to second hand cigarette smoke which is more harmful to them than it is to an adult
2- a large number of house fires are put down to people smoking in bed. theoretically this should reduce the number of housefires. while it may not be such a problem in a suburb "what, your house is on fire? haha, mine's not" it would be more problematic in a city "your house is on fire...but we share a wall and a ceiling!"
3- the amount spent on health care and preventative programs can be lessened as less and less people can smoke to the extent that they used to.
4- the worst thing about a night out [apart from the hangover] was how your clothes always stank afterwards. guess what, you can wear that shirt a second time now. while this is unlikely to be a factor for the introduction of the law, it's a practical consequence.
having said all that, it is an invasive act. perhaps more practical alternatives can be found to reduce the numbers of people smoking... increase health insurance premiums/penalties on surgery for smokers. The only public hospital in my hometown is considering banning smokers from having elective surgery as the waiting list is so long.
i'd add more but i have to go work.
just a few thoughts, Adam
12 people may make the one decision but that doesn't make it right.
Free Rob Farquharson, wrongfully imprisoned!!
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Now my neighbor is being forced out of the apartment complex if he doesn't give up smoking. No, he doesn't have a lease anymore so he has no legal right. I don't think he'd fight it anyway because he's sick of the town. I don't blame him.
http://www.planetizen.com/node/21948
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
(10 o'clock people = the groups of people you see outside smoking on break. come rain or shine)
Aye. love that story.
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
I want my kids to grow up in a world without the stench of filthy hippies but that isn't going to happen either.
The uproar here surprises me.
Thankfully, it will be awhile before this passes. Once state-funded health care costs completely take over government budgets, however, this is going to happen.