Smoking banned in private houses in San Franscisco

1970RR

zstillings wrote:

The people who like banning smoking like the tax revenue too much to make selling the product illegal. This, to them, would be increased revenue generated by tickets handed out for this heinous crime.

But remember, its for the children!

onelongsong

i think it's wonderful the government is trying to intrude using pollution and health reasons. it strenghtens my upcoming suit against the oil companies.
as far as legislation; it's unconstitutional. unless the federal government bans tobacco completely; there's too many "privacy" precidents in place.

ThumbingMyWay32

HANKTHELANK wrote:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2007/300107smokingfascism.htm


Agree or disagree that government should be able to control this action in our own homes?

Everyone here I hope knows that San Francisco is extremely liberal. Everyone in the local governments are extremely liberal.

This could be one of the largest crimes against liberty this country has ever seen and I guarantee no one on this forum will make a big deal out of it.

The arguement will be that "they're just looking out for our health," instead of it being an invasion of privacy. Yet, when the same people talk about wiretaps, it's about little Bushy sitting at his desk listening and giggling at millions of random American's conversations, instead of diverting and suppressing terrorist activity.

Anyone with real logic, speak up.

hippiemom

ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:

Everyone here I hope knows that San Francisco is extremely liberal. Everyone in the local governments are extremely liberal.

This could be one of the largest crimes against liberty this country has ever seen and I guarantee no one on this forum will make a big deal out of it.

The arguement will be that "they're just looking out for our health," instead of it being an invasion of privacy. Yet, when the same people talk about wiretaps, it's about little Bushy sitting at his desk listening and giggling at millions of random American's conversations, instead of diverting and suppressing terrorist activity.

Anyone with real logic, speak up.

I can't think of a single person on this board, liberal or conservative, who would support this. The liberals in this thread, myself included, are opposed.

Vedderlution_Baby

hippiemom wrote:

I can't think of a single person on this board, liberal or conservative, who would support this. The liberals in this thread, myself included, are opposed.

I posted an article awhile ago that told the story of a dude getting fired about smoking tobacco in his own home and didnt support that. So I'm definitely not going to support this.

ThumbingMyWay32

hippiemom wrote:

I can't think of a single person on this board, liberal or conservative, who would support this. The liberals in this thread, myself included, are opposed.

Onelongsong seems to think it's a marvelous idea, but the only problem being that the stupid little Constitution gets in the way. You know, that silly "privacy" baggage it carries with it.

ThumbingMyWay32

soulsinging wrote:

ill admit, im kinda curious where they think smoking would or could be done if this law passes? i dont see why they dont just up and ban the stuff at this point. sounds to me, though, like this is a case of 1) a politician trying to score some brownie points with a measure that he knows will never pass or be enforced or 2) a bunch of temperance crusaders who managed to get enough signatures to get their nonsense ideas on the ballot even if it doesn't stand a chance of passing.

That's an easy one. Why would the government ban something that they're able to tax the hell out of you for? Taxing the hell out of people with an addiction doesn't sound very compassionate to me... But after all, they're looking out for your health right?

Any normal person should easily understand that the government's stance on tobacco is absurd.

Vedderlution_Baby

I'm actually surprised more people havent supported it. Criminals are held in higher regard than smokers around here.

ThumbingMyWay32

Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:

I'm actually surprised more people havent supported it. Criminals are held in higher regard than smokers around here.

What ever happend to protecting culture? This country was built on the back of the tobacco leaf.

hippiemom

ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:

Onelongsong seems to think it's a marvelous idea, but the only problem being that the stupid little Constitution gets in the way. You know, that silly "privacy" baggage it carries with it.

Onelongsong is HARDLY a liberal, and I'm pretty damn sure he doesn't really support it anyway.

ThumbingMyWay32

hippiemom wrote:

Onelongsong is HARDLY a liberal, and I'm pretty damn sure he doesn't really support it anyway.

Well... Ok I get that there are no liberals. Atleast you're here to tell me how everyone else thinks. Is there a manual I missed at the front door that had all of this information in it?

hippiemom

ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:

Well... Atleast you're here to tell me how everyone else thinks. Is there a manual I missed at the front door that had all of this information in it?

No, you stick around for a while and read the posts, and you figure it out all by yourself.

ThumbingMyWay32

hippiemom wrote:

No, you stick around for a while and read the posts, and you figure it out all by yourself.

I'm patiently waiting for my 9,000th post trophy.

hippiemom

ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:

I'm patiently waiting for my 9,000th post trophy.

I understand that not everyone has a job where they can get paid for this

thankyougrandma

wow, hello neighbourhood conflict

"Hi, my neighbour is currently smoking in his kitchen, hurry up and you'll catch him"

onelongsong

hippiemom wrote:

Onelongsong is HARDLY a liberal, and I'm pretty damn sure he doesn't really support it anyway.

onelongsong is just an ex hippie who wanted to clean up the earth in the 60's and never gave up. i'm a smoker (although i'd like to quit) but i do like the government trying to push shit like this. i am hell bent on sueing the oil companies for the pollution and health hazards theor products cause. precident has been set be the tobacco industry suit so it's no longer a frivolous lawsuit.
i'm sure ya'll will be pissed as hell at me b/c the price of gas will jump when the suit is filed. if i win gas will cost well over $20.00 USD/gallon.
either way i win. gas will be too expensive and people will use much less. trucks will be forced to use bio-deisel helping the farming community and cleaning up the air.
people had the chance to conserve but they didn't. i'm just helping the cause.

ThumbingMyWay32

onelongsong wrote:

onelongsong is just an ex hippie who wanted to clean up the earth in the 60's and never gave up. i'm a smoker (although i'd like to quit) but i do like the government trying to push shit like this. i am hell bent on sueing the oil companies for the pollution and health hazards theor products cause. precident has been set be the tobacco industry suit so it's no longer a frivolous lawsuit.
i'm sure ya'll will be pissed as hell at me b/c the price of gas will jump when the suit is filed. if i win gas will cost well over $20.00 USD/gallon.
either way i win. gas will be too expensive and people will use much less. trucks will be forced to use bio-deisel helping the farming community and cleaning up the air.
people had the chance to conserve but they didn't. i'm just helping the cause.

Wow, neato!

Do you drive any vehicles, or put money in the pockets of anyone who does?

onelongsong

ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:

Wow, neato!

Do you drive any vehicles, or put money in the pockets of anyone who does?

i use bio-deisel and i'm a food producer so my products won't be effected by the rising costs. no matter what happens; you still have to eat.

Nothingman54

Big Brother! Cameras are next in your home. It will happen!

ThumbingMyWay32

onelongsong wrote:

i use bio-deisel and i'm a food producer so my products won't be effected by the rising costs. no matter what happens; you still have to eat.

Well, atleast you're looking out for #1. And that's OK in my book.