Smoking banned in private houses in San Franscisco

THC

how about the gov't does FU**ING this.....

Hold the fricken cigarette companies responsible for selling a product that has been proved to be dangerous...and lethal. The CEO's were caught LYING to CONGRESS....yet EVERY-thing they've ever done...only penalizes those people who smoke (the extra taxes...the you can't smoke here and there laws).


why doesn't the gov't grow some balls...and actually go after the tobacco companies????

Vedderlution_Baby

THC wrote:

how about the gov't does FU**ING this.....

Hold the fricken cigarette companies responsible for selling a product that has been proved to be dangerous...and lethal. The CEO's were caught LYING to CONGRESS....yet EVERY-thing they've ever done...only penalizes those people who smoke (the extra taxes...the you can't smoke here and there laws).


why doesn't the gov't grow some balls...and actually go after the tobacco companies????

that'd be like throwing away all the money in your pocket.

Pearl Jam and toast

Impossible to police, TOTAL invasion of both privacy and our civil rights, and a complete bullshit law all around. The only fucking crutch they have on marijuana legislation is that getting high is of the devil, and this time they don't even have that.

It's fucking stupid and immoral to make this kind of law.

floyd1975

THC wrote:

how about the gov't does FU**ING this.....

Hold the fricken cigarette companies responsible for selling a product that has been proved to be dangerous...and lethal. The CEO's were caught LYING to CONGRESS....yet EVERY-thing they've ever done...only penalizes those people who smoke (the extra taxes...the you can't smoke here and there laws).


why doesn't the gov't grow some balls...and actually go after the tobacco companies????

I can't say it any better than this...

1970RR wrote:

But remember, its for the children!

onelongsong

ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:

Well, atleast you're looking out for #1. And that's OK in my book.

i'm looking out for our children; grandchildren; great grandchildren; and anyone else that will live on this earth when we're gone. we have no right to destroy it and leave the mess for someone else to clean up.

DinghyDog

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OutOfBreath

Banning in private homes, noone will accept I think. But how for real is this? The source wasn't exactly impartial, and I couldn't see the base details. Is it a ban on smoking in bars (which usually are privately owned, and no principal difference from your own home and so on) or really a ban on smoking in homes anywhere? Sounds improbable, but if it's really really true, then I don't know what to say.

Ban on smoking in bars isn't as bad as it was cracked up to be. Coming from a smoker here.

Peace
Dan

PaperPlates

"I love to smoke. I smoke seven thousand packs a day, ok. And I am never fucking quitting! I don't care how many laws they make. What's the law now? You can only smoke in your apartment, under a blanket, with all the lights out? Is that the rule now, huh?! The cops are outside, "We know you have the cigarettes. Come out of the house with the cigarettes above your head." "You'll never get me copper! I'm never coming out, you hear? I got a cigarette machine right here in my bedroom. Yeah!"

Know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna get one of those tracheotomies. So I can smoke two cigarettes at the same time. I'm gonna get nine tracheotomies all the way around my neck. I'll be Tracheotomie Man! "He can smoke a pack at a time! He's Tracheotomie Man!"

-Dennis Leary

enharmonic

Your personal house...that's taking it too far.

Public establishments...no problem, and absolutely prudent.

thatirwinfella

i'll play the devil's advocate here, though i don't totally agree with it.

1- young children and babies will be less likely to be exposed to second hand cigarette smoke which is more harmful to them than it is to an adult

2- a large number of house fires are put down to people smoking in bed. theoretically this should reduce the number of housefires. while it may not be such a problem in a suburb "what, your house is on fire? haha, mine's not" it would be more problematic in a city "your house is on fire...but we share a wall and a ceiling!"

3- the amount spent on health care and preventative programs can be lessened as less and less people can smoke to the extent that they used to.

4- the worst thing about a night out [apart from the hangover] was how your clothes always stank afterwards. guess what, you can wear that shirt a second time now. while this is unlikely to be a factor for the introduction of the law, it's a practical consequence.


having said all that, it is an invasive act. perhaps more practical alternatives can be found to reduce the numbers of people smoking... increase health insurance premiums/penalties on surgery for smokers. The only public hospital in my hometown is considering banning smokers from having elective surgery as the waiting list is so long.

i'd add more but i have to go work.

just a few thoughts, Adam

dana_b

I hate to say it, but it's my town that caused this. I live in Belmont, CA.- the first place in the nation to ban smoking anywhere except in your own single family detached home. We had no idea this was happening because, like a lot of people, I don't go to town hall meetings. If I had, I would have spoke up. Not because I smoke (I don't), but it's a ridiculous and unenforcable law. My next door neighbor (who does smoke), spoke to a cop and he said there's no way that they can enforce it. Evidently the city councilmen/women listened to one old guy who went to the meetings, complained that his neighbor didn't close his/her window when they smoked, and thought that there should be no smoking in Belmont. The council people thought it would be a good way to get Belmont's name out there.

Now my neighbor is being forced out of the apartment complex if he doesn't give up smoking. No, he doesn't have a lease anymore so he has no legal right. I don't think he'd fight it anyway because he's sick of the town. I don't blame him.

http://www.planetizen.com/node/21948

Last Exodus

this thread is misleading. the legislation is propsed only. even if it passes in SF, Arnold will find a way around it by passing counter legislation in his smoking tent in Sacramento. yes, he had an actual smoking (cigar) tent put up at the state legislature.

Abookamongstthemany

The govt should stay the fuck out of peoples houses.

Last Exodus

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

The govt should stay the fuck out of peoples houses.

Im with ya on that one. Has anyone even considered the possible abuse of this law by law enforcement. I can just see it now..."we had an anonymous tip that John Doe was smoking a cigarette in his home, so we executed a search as there was no time for a warrant before the cigarette went out..." Oh yeah, that shit is real!

gimmesometruth27

for once i agree with last exodus. how can one defend thmeselves against that scenario?

Last Exodus

come over to the dark side Luke

tooferz

by chance has anyone ever read stephen king's short story "the ten o'clock people from "night shift"? the more i read about smoking laws, the more i think of that story.

(10 o'clock people = the groups of people you see outside smoking on break. come rain or shine)

OutOfBreath

tooferz wrote:

by chance has anyone ever read stephen king's short story "the ten o'clock people from "night shift"? the more i read about smoking laws, the more i think of that story.

(10 o'clock people = the groups of people you see outside smoking on break. come rain or shine)

Aye. love that story.

Peace
Dan

floyd1975

DinghyDog wrote:

i agree, smoking should be totally banned outright, the sooner the better. filthy friggin habit. i want my daughter to grow up in a world where ciggarettes were one of those stupid things humans did in ancient history.

I want my kids to grow up in a world without the stench of filthy hippies but that isn't going to happen either.

farfromglorified

Hehehehehe.........

The uproar here surprises me.

Thankfully, it will be awhile before this passes. Once state-funded health care costs completely take over government budgets, however, this is going to happen.