9/11 video question

Ahnimus

jlew24asu wrote:

do you believe el qaeuda was involved in the attacks? a simply yes or no will be fine

Al-Qaeda or Al-Qaida (Arabic: القاعدة‎ ​, translit: al-Qā`idah; "the foundation", "the base" or "the database") is an armed Sunni lslamist organization with the stated objective of eliminating foreign influence in Muslim countries. The most prominent members of the group are adherents of Wahabism, an extreme, militant sect of Islam. While Osama bin Laden is generally recognized as the group's leader, it is theorized that the group's operations are not centralized, and many independent and collaborative cells may exist in multiple countries linked by a common cause. There is no concrete proof of this assumption but it may be valid.

Moazzam Begg, while held in extrajudicial detention in the Guantanamo Bay detainment camps, requested a definition of al-Qaeda, when he was presented with a "Summary of Evidence" against him, in preparation for his Combatant Status Review Tribunal, which accused him of being a member of al-Qaeda, or the Taliban, or associated forces.[12] The unclassified definition offered to Begg by the US Department of Defense was:

"Al Qaeda is a radical Sunni Muslim umbrella organization established to recruit young Muslims into the Afghani Mujahideen and is aimed to establish Islamist states throughout the world, overthrow ‘un-Islamic regimes’, expel US soldiers and Western influence from the Gulf, and capture Jerusalem as a Muslim city."
Begg also asked for, and was not provided with, a definition of al-Qaeda's "associated forces".

Depending on the particular definition of Al-Qaeda... I believe Osama Bin Laden and Al-Zawahiri in the honor of Sayyid Qutb's ideology did play a major role in the September 11 attacks. Do I think the Taliban was involved? Probably not. The Pakistan government? Maybe. Iran? Doubt it. Syria? Doubt it. Palestinian Authority? Doubt it. The entire muslim world? Absolutely not. The entire arab world? Absolutely not.

bryanfury

jlew24asu wrote:

operations northwoods thats all you had to say. I'm aware of that. do I believe our government had part in 9/11, no

you wanted proof, now you say you knew that? c'mon now...

jlew24asu

bryanfury wrote:

you wanted proof, now you say you knew that? c'mon now...

I wanted more specifics. I knew of northwoods but you said "blow up a shuttle" thats not in northwoods, unless I missed it

bryanfury

jlew24asu wrote:

I wanted more specifics. I knew of northwoods but you said "blow up a shuttle" thats not in northwoods, unless I missed it

okay, so now you admit that our government is capable of this type of stuff. History has proven this over and over again.

yet you can't admit that this administration is also capable?

jlew24asu

bryanfury wrote:

okay, so now you admit that our government is capable of this type of stuff. History has proven this over and over again.

yet you can't admit that this administration is also capable?

capable or actually believing the administration had something to do with it?

based on the northwoods report,something that happened 50 years ago, capable? maybe. but 9/11 is alot different then the suggested attacks in the northwoods report.

bush administration have something to do with 9/11? absolutely 110% no.

Ahnimus

jlew24asu wrote:

bush administration have something to do with 9/11? absolutely 110% no.

Bush had a lot to do with 9/11

He allowed it to happen first of all.

After it happened it was used for his political gain.

jlew24asu

Ahnimus wrote:

Bush had a lot to do with 9/11

He allowed it to happen first of all.

After it happened it was used for his political gain.

lets not play the blame game. I believe it was Clinton admitting he also made mistakes in catching him.

was it bush's fault clinton allowed OBL a base of operations in afgahistan? even after being attacked in africa? dont go there. both presidents have fucked up.

and what I meant by bush not being responsible for 9/11.....meaning he and his buddies didnt sit in a room and plan out 9/11. like you and a few others here believe

Ahnimus

jlew24asu wrote:

lets not play the blame game. I believe it was Clinton admitting he also made mistakes in catching him.

was it bush's fault clinton allowed OBL a base of operations in afgahistan? even after being attacked in africa? dont go there. both presidents have fucked up.

and what I meant by bush not being responsible for 9/11.....meaning he and his buddies didnt sit in a room and plan out 9/11. like you and a few others here believe

They planned out the events that took place post-9/11 and are still taking place in september of 2000.

Clinton provided Osama with a base in afghanistan? Would the afghan government have to support it? I though Bin Laden was part of afghan's resistance to soviet occupation well before Clinton's administration.

Clinton admitted to making mistakes. However, Bush did absolutely nothing to catch Bin Laden until 9/11. At least Clinton tried to stop him.

bryanfury

jlew24asu wrote:

capable or actually believing the administration had something to do with it?

based on the northwoods report,something that happened 50 years ago, capable? maybe. but 9/11 is alot different then the suggested attacks in the northwoods report.

bush administration have something to do with 9/11? absolutely 110% no.

if that were the only instance, i'd say you might be right. but our gvt has a history of making shit up for their benifit.

i admire your sticking to your guns on this, but we will just keep going around in circles if you fail to accept the possibility that certain people (not the whole gvt) had anything to do with 9/11. if you will not even examine the facts with an open mind, then what is the poitn here?

bryanfury

jlew24asu wrote:

lets not play the blame game. I believe it was Clinton admitting he also made mistakes in catching him.

was it bush's fault clinton allowed OBL a base of operations in afgahistan? even after being attacked in africa? dont go there. both presidents have fucked up.

and what I meant by bush not being responsible for 9/11.....meaning he and his buddies didnt sit in a room and plan out 9/11. like you and a few others here believe

and there you go again insinuating that I am saying Bush had something to do with 9/11. I believe it took key members of PNAC, as well as highly placed people in the intelligence community (see the Colleen Rowley story) to pull this off.

jlew24asu

bryanfury wrote:

and there you go again insinuating that I am saying Bush had something to do with 9/11. I believe it took key members of PNAC, as well as highly placed people in the intelligence community (see the Colleen Rowley story) to pull this off.

ok thanks for correcting me. I believe el qaeda and OBL were responsible for the attacks. we both agree to disagree.

DPrival78

jlew24asu wrote:

ok thanks for correcting me. I believe el qaeda and OBL were responsible for the attacks.

then what do you say to the fact that the bin laden confession tape was fake?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk519bkcLjg

or that some of the supposed hijackers are still alive?
or that no arab names were on any of the passenger lists?
http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidence/passengers.html

bryanfury

jlew24asu wrote:

ok thanks for correcting me. I believe el qaeda and OBL were responsible for the attacks. we both agree to disagree.

we do. its unfortunate that it is on something so important rather than what toppings are best on a pizza.

jlew24asu

DPrival78 wrote:

then what do you say to the fact that the bin laden confession tape was fake?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk519bkcLjg

or that some of the supposed hijackers are still alive?
or that no arab names were on any of the passenger lists?
http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidence/passengers.html

dude give it a rest. if you honestly believe osama bin laden had nothing to do with 9/11, you need help.

im so tired of people taking this jim hoffman guy as jesus christ himself.

jlew24asu

bryanfury wrote:

we do. its unfortunate that it is on something so important rather than what toppings are best on a pizza.

i'm gonna go out on a limb here and say you are in the vast minority, but believe what you want, its a free country

Abookamongstthemany

jlew24asu wrote:

dude give it a rest. if you honestly believe osama bin laden had nothing to do with 9/11, you need help.

im so tired of people taking this jim hoffman guy as jesus christ himself.

what an excellent counter response!

jlew24asu

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

what an excellent counter response!

just becuase one guy can make a website doesnt make it law. or proven fact. dont waste your time showing me his links. got it? good. and please leave your personal attacks on me out of this discussion. i waasnt talking to you

DPrival78

jlew24asu wrote:

dude give it a rest. if you honestly believe osama bin laden had nothing to do with 9/11, you need help.

you have no opinion on those things? you think that was actually osama bin laden in that video? i guess he had a few celebratory big macs and forgot he was lefty that day. i'm just curious about your opinion since you're so convinced that it was "al qaeda" and only "al qaeda".

no arabs on the passenger lists.. odd, no?

Abookamongstthemany

jlew24asu wrote:

just becuase one guy can make a website doesnt make it law. or proven fact. dont waste your time showing me his links. got it? good. and please leave your personal attacks on me out of this discussion. i waasnt talking to you

and please continue your avoidance of actually listening to points before dismissing them.

bryanfury

jlew24asu wrote:

i'm gonna go out on a limb here and say you are in the vast minority, but believe what you want, its a free country

i was in the minority when i opposed the Iraq war as well. doesn't bother me. the fact that you eat the spoon fed version of events, along with the other zombies in this country, doesn't make you right.