I really can't believe they are trying that. I wouldn't have believed anyone if they had told me that Cindy McCain had stated that those were Palin's foreign policy credentials, but sure enough, I saw it with my own eyes. This election is completely insane; I never thought that Obama's admittedly thin foreign policy credentials would end up being a positive for him.
Again, and not that I think anyone on the message pit is dumb enough to fall for pathetic Republican tactics, but in references to the Russia/Alaska thing:
Maj. Gen. Craig Campbell, adjutant general of the Alaska National Guard, said he and Governor Palin play no role in national defense activities in Alaska, even when they involve the Alaska National Guard. The entire operation is under federal control, and the governor is NOT BRIEFED on situations.
To date, no information about Mrs. Palin’s international travel and experience is readily available. She attended college in Idaho, but much as one stretches one’s imagination, that is still not ‘international.’ She did visit troops in Iraq but dont really know at this point what came of it.
THEY ARE trying to choose a vice president for solving america's internal problems not a foreign minister to establish better diplomatic relations
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THEY ARE trying to choose a vice president for solving america's internal problems not a foreign minister to establish better diplomatic relations
Although going by how McCain has been campaiging, the VP, by his standards, is one that can take over in a heartbeat.. or should that be heart attack.... and be able to deal with world leaders, grapple with complex world issues etc...
And these days we are so far ahead in terms of internationalism and inderdependence that you cannot no longer be an isolationist or one that focuses soley on internal problems. You have to be able to ahve a grasp on international issues, be able to comprehend how thigns interrelate and be able to talk to world leaders to be able to get the best for your people.
Boy, I think I disagree with her on every issue mentioned. I thought McCain was a moderate? I don't see her making it to the election. But I'm sure she's a great mom and probably runs Alaska well enough.
Although going by how McCain has been campaiging, the VP, by his standards, is one that can take over in a heartbeat.. or should that be heart attack.... and be able to deal with world leaders, grapple with complex world issues etc...
And these days we are so far ahead in terms of internationalism and inderdependence that you cannot no longer be an isolationist or one that focuses soley on internal problems. You have to be able to ahve a grasp on international issues, be able to comprehend how thigns interrelate and be able to talk to world leaders to be able to get the best for your people.
You're wasting your breath. I agree with you, but lots and lots of people in the US still think we're the center of the world.
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Sooner or later, everyone will realize VP picks mean shit. Bush Sr. picked Quayle in 88... he was young, had zero experience and was a blithering idiot and Bush Sr. won the election. I remember Qualye getting creamed by Lloyd Bentson in the VP debate (the infamous "You're no Jack Kennedy" line was from that debate) and the democrats still couldn't carry Bentson's home state (Texas) in that election.
In a vacuum you are correct, but things couldn't be more different in 2008 than 1988.
Bush was Reagan's VP... in an incredibly popular administration. Definitley not the case this time around.
In 1988 the VP did basically nothing... now after Cheney, the VP position is seen as drastically more important.
Michael Dukakis was... well... Michael Dukakis.
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Here's a few that I received from my daily MoveOn.org email that I'll amend to your list:
1) Palin is strongly anti-choice, opposing abortion even in the case of rape or incest.
2) She supported right-wing extremist Pat Buchanan for president in 2000.
3) Palin thinks creationism should be taught in public schools.
4) How closely did John McCain vet this choice? He met Sarah Palin once at a meeting. They spoke a second time, last Sunday, when he called her about being vice-president. Then he offered her the position.
Do yourself a favor, unsubscribe to Moveon.org... they are part of the problem.
I'm no fan of moveon.org, but every single one of those statements is true and is easily verifiable.
1) Palin is strongly anti-choice, opposing abortion even in the case of rape or incest. AGREED OK...
2) She supported right-wing extremist Pat Buchanan for president in 2000. So what... many people supported him.
3) Palin thinks creationism should be taught in public schools. AGREED OK...
4) How closely did John McCain vet this choice? He met Sarah Palin once at a meeting. They spoke a second time, last Sunday, when he called her about being vice-president. Then he offered her the position. Where is this going?? So Im to beleive that they knew nothing about her?? The background check was extensive and intrusive. He may of not have known her but the people behind the GOP machinations did.
My point is all of that great info is already out there. There is no need for a very biased moveon group other than to combat the republican wing groups. They are both part of the problem with the main goal being to turn people against each other. Unsubscribe.
Someone supporting somebody like Pat Buchannan is a pretty big deal to alot of people, especially considering that many people in the country consider Buchannan a radical nutjob. Considering all the controversy swelling, and the fact that it seems like until the last moment McCain wanted Lieberman, it's quite possible she was not analyzed as specifically as most other veep candidates.
1) Palin is strongly anti-choice, opposing abortion even in the case of rape or incest. AGREED OK...
2) She supported right-wing extremist Pat Buchanan for president in 2000. So what... many people supported him.
3) Palin thinks creationism should be taught in public schools. AGREED OK...
4) How closely did John McCain vet this choice? He met Sarah Palin once at a meeting. They spoke a second time, last Sunday, when he called her about being vice-president. Then he offered her the position. Where is this going?? So Im to beleive that they knew nothing about her?? The background check was extensive and intrusive. He may of not have known her but the people behind the GOP machinations did.
My point is all of that great info is already out there. There is no need for a very biased moveon group other than to combat the republican wing groups. They are both part of the problem with the main goal being to turn people against each other. Unsubscribe.
One question. You believe creationism should be taught in schools? Really??
Someone supporting somebody like Pat Buchannan is a pretty big deal to alot of people, especially considering that many people in the country consider Buchannan a radical nutjob. Considering all the controversy swelling, and the fact that it seems like until the last moment McCain wanted Lieberman, it's quite possible she was not analyzed as specifically as most other veep candidates.
I just find it funny that apparently McCain was talked out of Lieberman, so he goes to the complete opposite end of the spectrum politically (at least in the range on the GOP) to Palin. That would sort of be like Obama wanting to go with Lieberman, and picking Kucinich instead... of course he would be a flip-flopper for that.
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Obvious fact ignored: McCain just turned 72 and has cancer.
Reagan was 70 when he was elected, he was shot in an assassination attempt and there was a good chance he was developing Alzheimers... he lasted 8 years.
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4) How closely did John McCain vet this choice? He met Sarah Palin once at a meeting. They spoke a second time, last Sunday, when he called her about being vice-president. Then he offered her the position.
I find this hard to believe. Doesn't mean that it's not true, though. What is the source of this (besides moveon.org)?
AS far as teaching Creationism in school...personally I think a religion course shoul dbe taught in every single school...a required course like Health & Math. It should deal with a number of religions and some of their basic beliefs ... all the big ones and a few lesser ones. Just like teaching about birth control in school...information is a good thing, let them talk abotu it in an open forum where they might feel more confortable.
All we would gain would be a better understand of those around us and probably some tolerance. But who needs that, huh?
Reagan was 70 when he was elected, he was shot in an assassination attempt and there was a good chance he was developing Alzheimers... he lasted 8 years.
Understood. McCain is 72 and has cancer. The vice president is a huge issue in this election, whether or not people vote that way.
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AS far as teaching Creationism in school...personally I think a religion course shoul dbe taught in every single school...a required course like Health & Math. It should deal with a number of religions and some of their basic beliefs ... all the big ones and a few lesser ones. Just like teaching about birth control in school...information is a good thing, let them talk abotu it in an open forum where they might feel more confortable.
All we would gain would be a better understand of those around us and probably some tolerance. But who needs that, huh?
a 'world's religions' course is an excellent idea.....however, a religious idea taught in a science class is not. therein lies the difference imo.
AS far as teaching Creationism in school...personally I think a religion course shoul dbe taught in every single school...a required course like Health & Math. It should deal with a number of religions and some of their basic beliefs ... all the big ones and a few lesser ones. Just like teaching about birth control in school...information is a good thing, let them talk abotu it in an open forum where they might feel more confortable.
All we would gain would be a better understand of those around us and probably some tolerance. But who needs that, huh?
Yes, and many private schools have such a thing. I think it should be an elective course, but fine.
It's a LONG jump from your proposal to creationism in school. Creationism is not taught as religious belief, but taught as scientific fact.
Just out of curiosity, i'm not that up on the candidates backgrounds, but do either Obama or Biden have any federal level "executive" experience?
What are we even talking about here?
That means only the presidency, vice presidency, or cabinate or other appointed agents of the executive, right?
Intelligence services like the CIA report to the executive, and i guess the Justice Department is under the executive ... what else is there?
I'm pretty sure Obama hasn't any such experience.
Does Biden?
Am i way off the mark on the meaning here implied????
please review the discussion on page 1. this is what I have been arguing.
She's managed and governed, something that Biden and Obama never have done. and no one has experience on the federal level. so the next thing you would look at is state governor. thats generally the closest to president you can get. Obama hasn't done anything at all.
not sure if you've been in a coma for the last 8 years, but we have had a governor as "president" for the last 8 years.
Hasn't worked out so well.
By your definition, Palin has more experience than your presidential candidate, Senator McSame. perhaps he should be backing her.
look, if you feel required by your party to back any lame horse they're trotting out, then knock yourself out.
I am far from the left side but I don't know how anyone could be against controlled abortion IE Rape cases etc... and gay rights. Who the hell are we to tell a gay person that they can not get married? Its non of our business IMO.
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I am far from the left side but I don't know how anyone could be against controlled abortion IE Rape cases etc... and gay rights. Who the hell are we to tell a gay person that they can not get married? Its non of our business IMO.
You're not as far from the left side as you think you are.
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One question. You believe creationism should be taught in schools? Really??
NO... Im saying ok great she believes in creationism... understood, next. She supported Buchanan, understood next..
I believe infants shouldnt be given such high doses of immunity shots at such an undeveloped age... understod (Im a radical), next...
She probably would agree with me that the poverty line as defined by our government (considered impoverished) should be higher than $19200 for a family of four. Ok next....
AS far as teaching Creationism in school...personally I think a religion course shoul dbe taught in every single school...a required course like Health & Math. It should deal with a number of religions and some of their basic beliefs ... all the big ones and a few lesser ones. Just like teaching about birth control in school...information is a good thing, let them talk abotu it in an open forum where they might feel more confortable.
All we would gain would be a better understand of those around us and probably some tolerance. But who needs that, huh?
AS far as teaching Creationism in school...personally I think a religion course shoul dbe taught in every single school...a required course like Health & Math. It should deal with a number of religions and some of their basic beliefs ... all the big ones and a few lesser ones. Just like teaching about birth control in school...information is a good thing, let them talk abotu it in an open forum where they might feel more confortable.
All we would gain would be a better understand of those around us and probably some tolerance. But who needs that, huh?
its funny that the sumarian /iraqi concept of creation as explained in their book enuma elish (from where the biblical concept of 6 day creation is plagiarized), is getting taught in american schools - the same america which flattened iraq in the last few years.
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This title is offensive. Overall, it is disgraceful how some liberals are attacking her and questioning alternatively her capacity to lead and her parenting skills.
And I am saying this as a liberal woman.
Ugh.
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Again, and not that I think anyone on the message pit is dumb enough to fall for pathetic Republican tactics, but in references to the Russia/Alaska thing:
Maj. Gen. Craig Campbell, adjutant general of the Alaska National Guard, said he and Governor Palin play no role in national defense activities in Alaska, even when they involve the Alaska National Guard. The entire operation is under federal control, and the governor is NOT BRIEFED on situations.
THEY ARE trying to choose a vice president for solving america's internal problems not a foreign minister to establish better diplomatic relations
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Swim the magic ocean,
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Although going by how McCain has been campaiging, the VP, by his standards, is one that can take over in a heartbeat.. or should that be heart attack.... and be able to deal with world leaders, grapple with complex world issues etc...
And these days we are so far ahead in terms of internationalism and inderdependence that you cannot no longer be an isolationist or one that focuses soley on internal problems. You have to be able to ahve a grasp on international issues, be able to comprehend how thigns interrelate and be able to talk to world leaders to be able to get the best for your people.
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You're wasting your breath. I agree with you, but lots and lots of people in the US still think we're the center of the world.
In a vacuum you are correct, but things couldn't be more different in 2008 than 1988.
Bush was Reagan's VP... in an incredibly popular administration. Definitley not the case this time around.
In 1988 the VP did basically nothing... now after Cheney, the VP position is seen as drastically more important.
Michael Dukakis was... well... Michael Dukakis.
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Do yourself a favor, unsubscribe to Moveon.org... they are part of the problem.
I'm no fan of moveon.org, but every single one of those statements is true and is easily verifiable.
1) Palin is strongly anti-choice, opposing abortion even in the case of rape or incest. AGREED OK...
2) She supported right-wing extremist Pat Buchanan for president in 2000. So what... many people supported him.
3) Palin thinks creationism should be taught in public schools. AGREED OK...
4) How closely did John McCain vet this choice? He met Sarah Palin once at a meeting. They spoke a second time, last Sunday, when he called her about being vice-president. Then he offered her the position. Where is this going?? So Im to beleive that they knew nothing about her?? The background check was extensive and intrusive. He may of not have known her but the people behind the GOP machinations did.
My point is all of that great info is already out there. There is no need for a very biased moveon group other than to combat the republican wing groups. They are both part of the problem with the main goal being to turn people against each other. Unsubscribe.
One question. You believe creationism should be taught in schools? Really??
I just find it funny that apparently McCain was talked out of Lieberman, so he goes to the complete opposite end of the spectrum politically (at least in the range on the GOP) to Palin. That would sort of be like Obama wanting to go with Lieberman, and picking Kucinich instead... of course he would be a flip-flopper for that.
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of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Reagan was 70 when he was elected, he was shot in an assassination attempt and there was a good chance he was developing Alzheimers... he lasted 8 years.
Except for the meeting...he met her once and then met her again at his residence in person before offering her the position...so close, but no cigar.
Unless of course, McCain is lying.
I find this hard to believe. Doesn't mean that it's not true, though. What is the source of this (besides moveon.org)?
All we would gain would be a better understand of those around us and probably some tolerance. But who needs that, huh?
well they're still working on it :eek:
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/09/02/Report_McCain_still_vetting_Palin/UPI-19581220360623/
Understood. McCain is 72 and has cancer. The vice president is a huge issue in this election, whether or not people vote that way.
a 'world's religions' course is an excellent idea.....however, a religious idea taught in a science class is not. therein lies the difference imo.
Let's just breathe...
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Yes, and many private schools have such a thing. I think it should be an elective course, but fine.
It's a LONG jump from your proposal to creationism in school. Creationism is not taught as religious belief, but taught as scientific fact.
Yep I know, I was looking for some middle ground.
please review the discussion on page 1. this is what I have been arguing.
not sure if you've been in a coma for the last 8 years, but we have had a governor as "president" for the last 8 years.
Hasn't worked out so well.
By your definition, Palin has more experience than your presidential candidate, Senator McSame. perhaps he should be backing her.
look, if you feel required by your party to back any lame horse they're trotting out, then knock yourself out.
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
You're not as far from the left side as you think you are.
-Enoch Powell
NO... Im saying ok great she believes in creationism... understood, next. She supported Buchanan, understood next..
I believe infants shouldnt be given such high doses of immunity shots at such an undeveloped age... understod (Im a radical), next...
She probably would agree with me that the poverty line as defined by our government (considered impoverished) should be higher than $19200 for a family of four. Ok next....
As long as they call it "mythology".
i agree 100%
theology
Take my hand, my child of love
Come step inside my tears
Swim the magic ocean,
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And I am saying this as a liberal woman.
Ugh.