Quickies with Palin

freindlyfiredfreindlyfired Posts: 297
edited September 2008 in A Moving Train
International experience.

To date, no information about Mrs. Palin’s international travel and experience is readily available. She attended college in Idaho, but much as one stretches one’s imagination, that is still not ‘international.’ She did visit troops in Iraq but dont really know at this point what came of it.

Governing experience

Governor Palin served as mayor of Wasilla, Alaska (population in 2000: 5,470) from 1992 - 1999. She has been governor of Alaska (estimated population in 2007: 683,478; ranked 47th) now for two years.

Campaigning

Governor Palin twice campaigned successfully for mayor of Wasilla. She ran unsuccessfully for Lieutenant Governor in 2002, and successfully for governor in 2006.

Issues

Environment: Governor Palin supports drilling for oil in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge; she opposed the decision of the U.S. Secretary of the Interior to list polar bears as endangered, saying it might hinder oil and gas development in Alaska. (It might be interesting to note that her husband was once employed by British Petroleum). She has also stated that the overwhelming evidence presented by nearly every reputable scientist on the topic of global warming is unreliable, and that it is not a man-made problem.

Guns: Governor Palin is proud of her long membership in the National Rifle Association.

Abortion: Opposed.

Gay Rights: Opposed.

Ill add more as I learn them...
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  • One thing you might add under "international experience" is that Republicans are now pointing to the fact Alaska is close to Russia. Of course, that ignores the fact that Siberia is politically insignificant. But that's the counter-argument to the lack of international experience, anyway.
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  • TaftTaft Posts: 454
    One thing you might add under "international experience" is that Republicans are now pointing to the fact Alaska is close to Russia. Of course, that ignores the fact that Siberia is politically insignificant. But that's the counter-argument to the lack of international experience, anyway.

    And if anyone believes the Republicans on that counter-argument they are a sheep.

    Maj. Gen. Craig Campbell, adjutant general of the Alaska National Guard, said he and Governor Palin play no role in national defense activities in Alaska, even when they involve the Alaska National Guard. The entire operation is under federal control, and the governor is NOT BRIEFED on situations.
  • JP2026766JP2026766 Posts: 1,125
    She has more executive experience than Obama and Biden combined.

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  • She has more executive experience than Obama and Biden combined.

    not true, they all have the exact same amount...

    zero.

    unless you've been president, you got a donut hole.
  • She has more executive experience than Obama and Biden combined.

    By your standards, more than McCain, too! You forgot to mention that, though.
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  • International experience.

    To date, no information about Mrs. Palin’s international travel and experience is readily available. She attended college in Idaho, but much as one stretches one’s imagination, that is still not ‘international.’ She did visit troops in Iraq but dont really know at this point what came of it.

    Governing experience

    Governor Palin served as mayor of Wasilla, Alaska (population in 2000: 5,470) from 1992 - 1999. She has been governor of Alaska (estimated population in 2007: 683,478; ranked 47th) now for two years.

    Campaigning

    Governor Palin twice campaigned successfully for mayor of Wasilla. She ran unsuccessfully for Lieutenant Governor in 2002, and successfully for governor in 2006.

    Issues

    Environment: Governor Palin supports drilling for oil in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge; she opposed the decision of the U.S. Secretary of the Interior to list polar bears as endangered, saying it might hinder oil and gas development in Alaska. (It might be interesting to note that her husband was once employed by British Petroleum). She has also stated that the overwhelming evidence presented by nearly every reputable scientist on the topic of global warming is unreliable, and that it is not a man-made problem.

    Guns: Governor Palin is proud of her long membership in the National Rifle Association.

    Abortion: Opposed.

    Gay Rights: Opposed.

    Ill add more as I learn them...


    Here's a few that I received from my daily MoveOn.org email that I'll amend to your list:

    1) Palin is strongly anti-choice, opposing abortion even in the case of rape or incest.

    2) She supported right-wing extremist Pat Buchanan for president in 2000.

    3) Palin thinks creationism should be taught in public schools.

    4) How closely did John McCain vet this choice? He met Sarah Palin once at a meeting. They spoke a second time, last Sunday, when he called her about being vice-president. Then he offered her the position.
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  • heh, so i take it she wont be getting many moderates or clinton fans?
  • JP2026766JP2026766 Posts: 1,125
    not true, they all have the exact same amount...

    zero.

    unless you've been president, you got a donut hole.

    Actually, you're wrong. She was a mayor, and a governor, both of which are considered executive experience. Nice try though.

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  • JP2026766JP2026766 Posts: 1,125
    edpearson wrote:
    By your standards, more than McCain, too! You forgot to mention that, though.

    And you are right, which makes his ticket that much stronger now. Good point.

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  • edpearson wrote:
    Here's a few that I received from my daily MoveOn.org email that I'll amend to your list:

    1) Palin is strongly anti-choice, opposing abortion even in the case of rape or incest.

    2) She supported right-wing extremist Pat Buchanan for president in 2000.

    3) Palin thinks creationism should be taught in public schools.

    4) How closely did John McCain vet this choice? He met Sarah Palin once at a meeting. They spoke a second time, last Sunday, when he called her about being vice-president. Then he offered her the position.
    move on? Are you kidding me? why dont you get your info from somewhere thats not biased.
  • gvn2fly74 wrote:
    move on? Are you kidding me? why dont you get your info from somewhere thats not biased.

    Are any of those points incorrect?
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  • Actually, you're wrong. She was a mayor, and a governor, both of which are considered executive experience. Nice try though.

    prove it, post a source.

    even if you're technically correct, you're really saying that being a governor of the least populated state for less than one term qualifies her to be president more than joe biden who was in service for this country when Juno's mom was in high school.

    either way, doesn't wash. sorry
  • update:

    Google "executive branch" the only source that comes close to supporting your arguement is wikipedia. WP says states have executives on a STATE level, so yeah, but not exucutive on a federal level.

    she does not have any federal executive experience, I'm sticking to that.

    prove me wrong.
  • Taft wrote:
    The entire operation is under federal control, and the governor is NOT BRIEFED on situations.

    The entirety of STATE security under FEDERAL control?

    Sounds like a Democratic scheme to me.

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  • update:

    Google "executive branch" the only source that comes close to supporting your arguement is wikipedia. WP says states have executives on a STATE level, so yeah, but not exucutive on a federal level.

    she does not have any federal executive experience, I'm sticking to that.

    prove me wrong.

    Just out of curiosity, i'm not that up on the candidates backgrounds, but do either Obama or Biden have any federal level "executive" experience?

    What are we even talking about here?
    That means only the presidency, vice presidency, or cabinate or other appointed agents of the executive, right?
    Intelligence services like the CIA report to the executive, and i guess the Justice Department is under the executive ... what else is there?

    I'm pretty sure Obama hasn't any such experience.
    Does Biden?

    Am i way off the mark on the meaning here implied?

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  • Apparently Bristol is a fan of quickies.
  • anyone see the interview from alst month where she says that before she considers running for VP, someone would have to explain to her what exactly it is that the VP does all day?
  • anyone see the interview from alst month where she says that before she considers running for VP, someone would have to explain to her what exactly it is that the VP does all day?


    There's so much going on with this VP pick that it's hard to pick what you're going to talk about.
  • you knwo what cracks me up too? All this stuff is coming out, and the neocons on talk radio and on the internet interpret it as "Libs" being terrified of Palin. It's like when there was semingly a new Bush controversy almost daily. They buried their head in the sand, and said "libs" had Bush derangement Syndrome. Bush could do no wrong, and now neither can the hockey mom who lives close to Russia and is running for VP
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    this thread title is very misleading :(
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    anyone see the interview from alst month where she says that before she considers running for VP, someone would have to explain to her what exactly it is that the VP does all day?

    Nothing really but hold up traffic here in DC with Cheney's 21 vehicle motorcade. Just pisses me off since I have to drive by his Naval Observatory home everyday back and forth to work.

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  • JP2026766JP2026766 Posts: 1,125
    update:

    Google "executive branch" the only source that comes close to supporting your arguement is wikipedia. WP says states have executives on a STATE level, so yeah, but not exucutive on a federal level.

    she does not have any federal executive experience, I'm sticking to that.

    prove me wrong.

    She's managed and governed, something that Biden and Obama never have done. and no one has experience on the federal level. so the next thing you would look at is state governor. thats generally the closest to president you can get. Obama hasn't done anything at all.

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  • 88keys88keys Posts: 151
    Sooner or later, everyone will realize VP picks mean shit. Bush Sr. picked Quayle in 88... he was young, had zero experience and was a blithering idiot and Bush Sr. won the election. I remember Qualye getting creamed by Lloyd Bentson in the VP debate (the infamous "You're no Jack Kennedy" line was from that debate) and the democrats still couldn't carry Bentson's home state (Texas) in that election.
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  • RiderRider Posts: 129
    I am sure that the campaign organization Obama manages and governs is much larger then the town govt of Wasilla (pop. 5,000!). What is that- 15 garbagemen, 12 cops, a librarian and a dog catcher? Wow, that must be just like running an entire nation! I have 45 employees that report to me so I must be at least as qualified as Palin, right? Or is the 20 months as Alaska (pop 650,000) gov what really does it for ya? Troopergate scandal included. Firing your sisters Ex? C'mon, there is really no way she has the experience or judgement to run this nation.
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  • 88keys wrote:
    Sooner or later, everyone will realize VP picks mean shit. Bush Sr. picked Quayle in 88... he was young, had zero experience and was a blithering idiot and Bush Sr. won the election. I remember Qualye getting creamed by Lloyd Bentson in the VP debate (the infamous "You're no Jack Kennedy" line was from that debate) and the democrats still couldn't carry Bentson's home state (Texas) in that election.


    Obvious fact ignored: McCain just turned 72 and has cancer.
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  • digsterdigster Posts: 1,293
    She's managed and governed, something that Biden and Obama never have done. and no one has experience on the federal level. so the next thing you would look at is state governor. thats generally the closest to president you can get. Obama hasn't done anything at all.

    She also has zero foreign policy experience. Zero. Absolutely none. And if you tell me that Alaska being near Russia constitutes foreign policy experience, you should be laughed out of the room. Obama has traveled abroad on behalf of the United States. He has communicated and negotiated with foreign dignitaries and heads of state. Has he done this as much as McCain? Nope, but he's done it. For all your passionate talk about executive experience, I should tell you that the man at the top of the Republican ticket has absolutely no executive experience either. I guess he's unqualified as well. Anyway, I'm not saying Palin is unqualified, she may be. However, John McCain doesn't seem to think so. McCain has stated throughout his campaign that his veep candidate must have "extensive qualifications and experience" and someone with "experience and knowledge in foreign policy." His words, not mine.

    Obama has done nothing? Obama has sponsored, co-sponsored, and voted for many pieces of legislation, both in the U.S. Senate and in the State Senate. I encourage you to look it up; it's easily found all over the Internet
  • digsterdigster Posts: 1,293
    88keys wrote:
    Sooner or later, everyone will realize VP picks mean shit. Bush Sr. picked Quayle in 88... he was young, had zero experience and was a blithering idiot and Bush Sr. won the election. I remember Qualye getting creamed by Lloyd Bentson in the VP debate (the infamous "You're no Jack Kennedy" line was from that debate) and the democrats still couldn't carry Bentson's home state (Texas) in that election.

    I think one of the differences that must be noted is that Bush was vice president to Ronald Reagan, an incredibly popular president who maintained high popularity numbers even at his departure. McCain's Republican predecessor? . . . . . .yeah.
  • South of SeattleSouth of Seattle West Seattle Posts: 10,724
    Very Misleading thread title ;)
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  • She's managed and governed, something that Biden and Obama never have done. and no one has experience on the federal level. so the next thing you would look at is state governor. thats generally the closest to president you can get. Obama hasn't done anything at all.

    plus, Alaska is near Russia, so there's her foreign policy experience. So say Cindy McCain and Steve Doocy, the village idiot ove rat Fox News
  • digsterdigster Posts: 1,293
    plus, Alaska is near Russia, so there's her foreign policy experience. So say Cindy McCain and Steve Doocy, the village idiot ove rat Fox News

    I really can't believe they are trying that. I wouldn't have believed anyone if they had told me that Cindy McCain had stated that those were Palin's foreign policy credentials, but sure enough, I saw it with my own eyes. This election is completely insane; I never thought that Obama's admittedly thin foreign policy credentials would end up being a positive for him.
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