Obama Hussein Barack

WickedJeremy

MattyJoe wrote:

Okay, the guys comments were strange, but please!! Any of you who think Obama is good for this country are just as ignorant as him, buying into the heaps of propaganda and lies told to you by the media each and every day. Any of you who don't see that are just plain blind.

"I thought Pearl Jam fans were better than this."

That's probably the most ignorant comment I've read so far.

I disagree. Honestly, I hoped we could discuss this. I believe that a thing can only be understood when one understands that he does NOT understand. I do not consider anything I feel or think to be real. We base what we believe on things we have seen and experienced. If an individual sees and experiences unusual thing, he will develop unusal and often misguide perceptions. I am willing to consider my thoughts and feelings as incorrect so as to sharpen them. I honestly thought this was the one place I could come to do so. But instead of most of you trying to reason with me or make any kind of explanation of your own view on the matter, you all attack me, call me an asshole and that I am ignorant and am generally the problem with this country. It is very disappointing. I could have come in with this view and left with one completely different, but I won't.

Maybe I have an issue with explaining myself. But I am blown away by your responses. I can't believe you can't at least accept what I've said as a vaild concern. I am not talking about his name. This is not as superficial as judging someone based on a name. I don't care if his name was Jeff Smith. Maybe I could explain was I am saying better, but I'm not going to try. I haven't yet read the next couple of pages on this topic so maybe I'll yet be surprised if someone wants to discuss something and try to reason instead of be hateful. I gaurantee if we were face to face we would jive or at least walk away respecting the other's view.

I am thus far surprised by your general sense of "what is".

g under p

WickedJeremy wrote:

I disagree. Honestly, I hoped we could discuss this. I believe that a thing can only be understood when one understands that he does NOT understand. I do not consider anything I feel or think to be real. We base what we believe on things we have seen and experienced. If an individual sees and experiences unusual thing, he will develop unusal and often misguide perceptions. I am willing to consider my thoughts and feelings as incorrect so as to sharpen them. I honestly thought this was the one place I could come to do so. But instead of most of you trying to reason with me or make any kind of explanation of your own view on the matter, you all attack me, call me an asshole and that I am ignorant and am generally the problem with this country. It is very disappointing. I could have come in with this view and left with one completely different, but I won't.

Maybe I have an issue with explaining myself. But I am blown away by your responses. I can't believe you can't at least accept what I've said as a vaild concern. I am not talking about his name. This is not as superficial as judging someone based on a name. I don't care if his name was Jeff Smith. Maybe I could explain was I am saying better, but I'm not going to try. I haven't yet read the next couple of pages on this topic so maybe I'll yet be surprised if someone wants to discuss something and try to reason instead of be hateful. I gaurantee if we were face to face we would jive or at least walk away respecting the other's view.

I am thus far surprised by your general sense of "what is".

Those who feel the need to clarify that they're not a racist usually are. Make your point and move forward. I'm sure our intelligence has checked him out thoroughly and he is in Congress which is not too far from the Presidency.

I'm not a supporter of either candidate but this is one weakass reason to NOT vote for OHB. So if his name was Jim Brown I gather you'd be satisfied with voting for him then and not the issues he stands for, RIGHT!

That guy you quoted was being sarcastic and I believe he was referring to you. Anyway I'm glad you came back and posted further your thoughts on BHO. Most peeps who do and when the board's responses doesn't follow their thread's ideals they run away and hide.

You've stated he has sympathies, like what and to whom? More clarification is needed. Are you saying that those sympathies whatever they're are going to influence those he chooses to be part of his administration?

He can choose whomever he wishes, whether or not they use him or not is another story. However it seems we've had that situation already with our current President and Mini-Me Dick Cheney. He seems to pull strings, mouth of and pulls triggers and no one seems to bat an eye. Obama just will need to say the buck stops here and he's worthy he should do just that.

Besides there should be no worries about BHO cause if he gets out of hand (too heavily influenced by his advisers) he can be taken out if the powers that want to. We've had a successful scenario in like that in our past.

You know I went and took a look at my comments to your quotes and while writing I got the feeling you could've written what you wanted to say more clearly. It came across as trying to in site those who may want to post their dissolution with Obama.

Again I've got to give you credit for coming back in the storm of criticism to post what's going on with your thoughts on Obama. So what sympathies were you referring to, I'm not sure if you gave an answer to that question?

Peace

fuck

WickedJeremy wrote:

I am thus far surprised by your general sense of "what is".

you want to discuss this? fine:

Is Obama safe? Is a man with his background and whoever may have influenced him and was raised with him or in close company with him...is this man safe as our leader? What I mean is, After more than 200 years of presidents, our very next one after a large event involving Muslims (9-11) could be a man named Osama Hussein Barack. Maybe I'm a boneheaded middle-American, but it seems fishy to me.

you clearly base your argument on his name right here. Other than the fact that you wrote his entire name wrong, you have provided no argument worth discussing...

let's move along, shall we:

I'd have to pass on a vote for him just to be safe. I mean, for the most part, whoever is president, things are gonna go the way they are gonna go...why chance putting a man like this and those who will be his advisers in power? I'm not being racist here.

just to be safe? what does this even mean? throughout your entire post you don't even describe or define what you mean by 'safe'. do you think McCain's America will be 'safe'? what is safe for you? why is Obama not 'safe'? what he has he said or done?

you have no argument. there's nothing to discuss until you start answering these questions, which I doubt you'll do. thanks for trying though.

NOCODE#1

WickedJeremy wrote:

This may be old news, but I've been away for a while.

Your comments? Is Obama safe? Is a man with his background and whoever may have influenced him and was raised with him or in close company with him...is this man safe as our leader? What I mean is, After more than 200 years of presidents, our very next one after a large event involving Muslims (9-11) could be a man named Osama Hussein Barack. Maybe I'm a boneheaded middle-American, but it seems fishy to me.

I'd have to pass on a vote for him just to be safe. I mean, for the most part, whoever is president, things are gonna go the way they are gonna go...why chance putting a man like this and those who will be his advisers in power? I'm not being racist here.

i see you drank the sand you were told was water because you didnt know the difference.

NOCODE#1

WickedJeremy wrote:

Terrorists have been growing up in the country. There are extremists being raised here. They are getting jobs and voting. Hundred if not thousands of them. If I was calling the shots in the terrorist organization, I would try to get my people quietly in power in the US. This is a fact and should be considered. What if this is the one? And we vote him right into the big seat all by ourselves? I mean, what are the chances that at this point in time a foreign born Muslim-educated man would be running for president?

i see the no progress native from indiana didnt have a black man on his progress schedule yet. could you post a copy of when that will happen?

jimlives

Probably a good idea to keep up on what's going on in your homeland when you're away.

And three points I want to re-clarify:
1. he is not Muslim.
2. not all Muslim's are terrorists anyway
3. he was born in Hawaii

You have to realize that "Nobamans" say this sort of thing ALL the time. Especially using his name as a justification. It's not surprise that you used his full name as your subject. It is TOTALLY a concern of yours and I can be empathetic, but you have to do research and not base your opinions on what Pearl Jam fans say. You must go read Obama's books, go to his website, watch him speak on Youtube. You have to understand who he is, just as you have to understand who McCain is.

For the future though, keep in mind that Obama supporters feel as though the entire country should be passed this view of him that he is going to kill all Americans and he's secretly a terrorist or that he's lying about being a Muslim.
You've been out of town, so did you see about all the commotion that was raised when he and his wife gave eachother "a pound" on television? They did the same thing me and my grandfather do everyday. Things kids do. And people who make comments like you just did, said that it was a "terrorist bump." It is so sad in a dissappointing sort of way. Please go get familiar with who he is and what he stands for.

CorporateWhore

jimlives wrote:

Probably a good idea to keep up on what's going on in your homeland when you're away.

And two points I want to re-clarify:
1. he is not Muslim.
2. not all Muslim's are terrorists anyway
3. he was born in Hawaii

So friggin sad in an awfully dissappointed sort of way.
Read a book.

Ooooo, Obama was born in Hawaii. Ever been to Hawaii? Those people don't even realize that they're in America. Except when they receive welfare checks from the USA's IRS.

jimlives

CorporateWhore wrote:

Ooooo, Obama was born in Hawaii. Ever been to Hawaii? Those people don't even realize that they're in America. Except when they receive welfare checks from the USA's IRS.

It is people like you who cause people like us to jump down WickedJeremy's throat.

Anon

CorporateWhore wrote:

Ooooo, Obama was born in Hawaii. Ever been to Hawaii? Those people don't even realize that they're in America. Except when they receive welfare checks from the USA's IRS.

:rolleyes:
What a ridiculous thing to say. Seriously. Do you feel better about yourself when you are putting other people down?

LikeAnOcean

CorporateWhore wrote:

Ooooo, Obama was born in Hawaii. Ever been to Hawaii? Those people don't even realize that they're in America. Except when they receive welfare checks from the USA's IRS.

That statement would only be relevant if Obama had ever lived on a welfare check. He obviously cares and realizes he lives in America enough to run for the freaken President of the United States. I don't know what more awareness of being an American citizen you can have than that.

You got a grudge or something? Need to let something out?

my2hands

WickedJeremy wrote:

This may be old news, but I've been away for a while.

Your comments? Is Obama safe? Is a man with his background and whoever may have influenced him and was raised with him or in close company with him...is this man safe as our leader? What I mean is, After more than 200 years of presidents, our very next one after a large event involving Muslims (9-11) could be a man named Osama Hussein Barack. Maybe I'm a boneheaded middle-American, but it seems fishy to me.

I'd have to pass on a vote for him just to be safe. I mean, for the most part, whoever is president, things are gonna go the way they are gonna go...why chance putting a man like this and those who will be his advisers in power? I'm not being racist here.

wow

lateralus963

WickedJeremy wrote:

What I mean is, After more than 200 years of presidents, our very next one after a large event involving Muslims (9-11) could be a man named Osama Hussein Barack.

Since when are ALL Muslim's terrorist? That is the sad part of your quote.

inmytree

Pj_Gurl wrote:

:rolleyes:
What a ridiculous thing to say. Seriously. Do you feel better about yourself when you are putting other people down?

don't worry, give her time, she'll get booted again...

attention is an addicting thing...some need it more that others...

WickedJeremy

Thanks Emily. Yeah, this has been a hoot! I walked right into this one. I should have considered my words better. The post was more of a whim than anything. I was curious what people had to say first-hand (as opposed to News Reports and gossip). I admit I know very little about either candiate. I don't need to know anything about them. I'm not voting. I am not proud to be an American. I do not tie myself with any nation. I'm a hard-headed believer in the human race itself and I will not support politics when the main goal of politics is to raise one nation over another. It is blasphemy to put "one nation under God" on our money. That is a slap in God's face. The Bible says to be no part of the world. It's that simple. Human kind, love. God holds no special place in His heart for Americans. Read Jesus' words and you will know that. When the Devil tried to get Jesus to do an act of worship to him, what did the Devil have to offer? All the kingdoms of the earth! These nations do not belong to God and according to the Bible they are being used by the Devil to establish a kingdom set against God. 1 John 5:19 says the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one!

Spiritually, I don't know what I believe right now. I don't even know if Satan is real. But I do know what the Bible says on the subject and if we are going to call out to the God of the Bible then we should at least know what He is. This is NOT one nation uder God.

But anyway, (everyone prepare to quote this and slam me) --> I know relatively nothing about Obama. I have no reason to suspect any wrong in him. And I said this initially: I'm just playing the odds here.

But with all the controversy surrounding the 9-11 events, I am suspicious. I saw it live, I remember the explosions succeeeding down the building as it was falling. I remember people on the streets describing the event. I understand physics and I've heard those involved put their foot in their mouths. I know an airplane did not bring those buildings down.

And now, the very next President elect is Obama. I know he's received a lot of flack over his name and his Muslim ties/affiliations/beliefs..whatever...and however vague or in the past they may be. I'm sure a lot of racism has gone into that and it's a shame he has had to endure it. However, every corner of a potential President's life should be explorered, questioned and scrutinized with no mercy.

No matter the explanation, I will never shake the thought in the back of my mind that it is amazingly cooincidental that a man of his description is close to being president so soon after such questionable world events.

I'm sure it's nothing. I hope it is nothing. I hope we're not all back on this thread three years from now with our mouths dropped wide open. I know, I know, your mouths are already dropped open...lol.

Despite all the resistance here, I know this is a valid concern. Like I said, just playing the odds. Nothing more. I suppose I have nothing else to say on the matter. Thanks...

cincybearcat

CorporateWhore wrote:

Ooooo, Obama was born in Hawaii. Ever been to Hawaii? Those people don't even realize that they're in America. Except when they receive welfare checks from the USA's IRS.

Dude, why are you cutting down Hawaii????? What a fabulous place with a lot fo great people...I wish I was born there...hell, I really wish I still lived there.

catefrances

WickedJeremy wrote:

...No matter the explanation, I will never shake the thought in the back of my mind that it is amazingly cooincidental that a man of his description is close to being president so soon after such questionable world events.,,,

im trying to understand where youre coming from. please explain this.

WickedJeremy

catefrances wrote:

im trying to understand where youre coming from. please explain this.

There are many things to mention in an argument against Obama, but I have only posted below items that I have been able to verify.

What I mean by a man of his description is this:

1. Lack of critical experience. Obama has no where near enough experience to be President of this country, especially in these times. He admitted so himself back when he said in 2004, “I am a believer in knowing what you’re doing when you apply for a job and I think that if I were to seriously consider running on a national ticket I would essentially have to start now and [I’m not comfortable doing that]”. Yet, he ran anyway. When the trouble starts flying (as it already is) in the Whitehouse, Obama will doubtful be able to act efficiently or in a timely manner to appropriately perform his duties. He has not been involved long enough to truly see how things work on that level. He does not know enough people to know who to use to get things done (at least things to the benefit of the nation).

2. His paternal grandfather, who once fought for the British crown, converted from Christianity to Islam while in Zanzibar.

3. His father was Islamic, but became Atheist by the time he moved to America (years after parting company with his son).

4. After the divorce, his mother married Lolo Soetoro, who was also Muslim. The family claims a non-religious household when Obama was growing up. But kids ask questions and the parents answer according to what they have been taught. Further, he grew up in Islamic nations and no doubt made many Islamic friends. There is no doubt that as a young man, Obama was influenced by these beliefs. Of course, simply being or associating with Islamic people is not a bad thing in and of itself, but given the world climate and Islamic agendas, any thinking American should be at the least, hesitant. Even if he has completely dismissed the Islamic religion as non-truth, he will surely have sympathies for the teachings just as he has sympathies for his many Islamic family members. I understand there is a difference between a Muslim and an extremist Muslim, but ALL Muslims, by necessity of faith, believe that America is a heretic nation worthy of destruction due to sins against Allah. If they do not feel this way, they are not faithful to their religion as it teaches such.

5. His step-father (who raised him), fought for the Indonesian Army (Muslims). Obama’s mother did not share the Muslim beliefs she was exposed to in Indonesia, but she was becoming increasingly interested in their culture for what it’s worth.

6. The photograph Obama was passing around last year was one of him and his black “grandmother”. His campaign used this photo to prove “how black” Obama is. The person in the picture with him has ZERO BLOOD relations with Obama. His so-called grandmother in the photo, Sarah, was his grandfather’s third wife and is in no way related to Obama. This is called lying to the American people to get what you want. In any event, Barack is 6.25% “black” and is much more “Arab-American” than “African American”.

7. Obama was 8 years old when Weathermen terrorist, William Ayers committed his bombings of the Pentagon and other government buildings so the attempt to mar Obama’s character based on his relationship with Ayers is unfounded. Or is it? After Ayers showed no remorse of his crimes and in fact said that he wished he would have bombed more, Obama accepted funds from and continued his relationship with Ayers. In the mid-1990s, Ayers hosted a meet-and-greet at his house to introduce Obama to their neighbors during his first run for the Illinois Senate. In 2001, Ayers contributed $200 to Obama's campaign. Ayers also served alongside Obama between December 1999 and December 2002 on the board of the not-for-profit Woods Fund of Chicago. That board met four times a year, and members would see each other at occasional dinners the group hosted. While Ayers is a free man, Obama has every right to associate with him. But doing so gives us a glimpse of his character.


If I were leader of an extremist terrorist group set on bringing the US down, I would get as many of my people as possible established in the States early in life so as to adopt the “way” and have clean English and I would groom him as a politician in hopes of him getting as far into office as possible so as to bring it down from within. This sounds like paranoid talk, but it is a reality of the world and no doubt is taking place in this country. Is Obama one of these? I don’t know. But I cannot chance putting someone in office that so closely fits the description of this possibility. A Presidential candidate should be well scrutinized. If ever a candidate has items that pop up on the “suspicious” radar, it is Obama.

Take it for what is it worth. Exercise your freedom to choose. Please just weigh everything and consider some of these points fairly and don’t just vote party. I know. Our choices aren’t that great. McCain is a worthless liar just like Obama. But I am not so inclined to think McCain would make as damaging changes as Obama is capable of. Decide for yourself. Hopefully you guys are done attacking me and we can talk civil. Of course, I’ve said my peace and that is all I want to do. Thanks for your attention and may the force be with you.

YieldInHiding

WickedJeremy wrote:

There are many things to mention in an argument against Obama, but I have only posted below items that I have been able to verify.

What I mean by a man of his description is this:

1. Lack of critical experience. Obama has no where near enough experience to be President of this country, especially in these times. He admitted so himself back when he said in 2004, “I am a believer in knowing what you’re doing when you apply for a job and I think that if I were to seriously consider running on a national ticket I would essentially have to start now and [I’m not comfortable doing that]”. Yet, he ran anyway. When the trouble starts flying (as it already is) in the Whitehouse, Obama will doubtful be able to act efficiently or in a timely manner to appropriately perform his duties. He has not been involved long enough to truly see how things work on that level. He does not know enough people to know who to use to get things done (at least things to the benefit of the nation).

2. His paternal grandfather, who once fought for the British crown, converted from Christianity to Islam while in Zanzibar.

3. His father was Islamic, but became Atheist by the time he moved to America (years after parting company with his son).

4. After the divorce, his mother married Lolo Soetoro, who was also Muslim. The family claims a non-religious household when Obama was growing up. But kids ask questions and the parents answer according to what they have been taught. Further, he grew up in Islamic nations and no doubt made many Islamic friends. There is no doubt that as a young man, Obama was influenced by these beliefs. Of course, simply being or associating with Islamic people is not a bad thing in and of itself, but given the world climate and Islamic agendas, any thinking American should be at the least, hesitant. Even if he has completely dismissed the Islamic religion as non-truth, he will surely have sympathies for the teachings just as he has sympathies for his many Islamic family members. I understand there is a difference between a Muslim and an extremist Muslim, but ALL Muslims, by necessity of faith, believe that America is a heretic nation worthy of destruction due to sins against Allah. If they do not feel this way, they are not faithful to their religion as it teaches such.

5. His step-father (who raised him), fought for the Indonesian Army (Muslims). Obama’s mother did not share the Muslim beliefs she was exposed to in Indonesia, but she was becoming increasingly interested in their culture for what it’s worth.

6. The photograph Obama was passing around last year was one of him and his black “grandmother”. His campaign used this photo to prove “how black” Obama is. The person in the picture with him has ZERO BLOOD relations with Obama. His so-called grandmother in the photo, Sarah, was his grandfather’s third wife and is in no way related to Obama. This is called lying to the American people to get what you want. In any event, Barack is 6.25% “black” and is much more “Arab-American” than “African American”.

7. Obama was 8 years old when Weathermen terrorist, William Ayers committed his bombings of the Pentagon and other government buildings so the attempt to mar Obama’s character based on his relationship with Ayers is unfounded. Or is it? After Ayers showed no remorse of his crimes and in fact said that he wished he would have bombed more, Obama accepted funds from and continued his relationship with Ayers. In the mid-1990s, Ayers hosted a meet-and-greet at his house to introduce Obama to their neighbors during his first run for the Illinois Senate. In 2001, Ayers contributed $200 to Obama's campaign. Ayers also served alongside Obama between December 1999 and December 2002 on the board of the not-for-profit Woods Fund of Chicago. That board met four times a year, and members would see each other at occasional dinners the group hosted. While Ayers is a free man, Obama has every right to associate with him. But doing so gives us a glimpse of his character.


If I were leader of an extremist terrorist group set on bringing the US down, I would get as many of my people as possible established in the States early in life so as to adopt the “way” and have clean English and I would groom him as a politician in hopes of him getting as far into office as possible so as to bring it down from within. This sounds like paranoid talk, but it is a reality of the world and no doubt is taking place in this country. Is Obama one of these? I don’t know. But I cannot chance putting someone in office that so closely fits the description of this possibility. A Presidential candidate should be well scrutinized. If ever a candidate has items that pop up on the “suspicious” radar, it is Obama.

Take it for what is it worth. Exercise your freedom to choose. Please just weigh everything and consider some of these points fairly and don’t just vote party. I know. Our choices aren’t that great. McCain is a worthless liar just like Obama. But I am not so inclined to think McCain would make as damaging changes as Obama is capable of. Decide for yourself. Hopefully you guys are done attacking me and we can talk civil. Of course, I’ve said my peace and that is all I want to do. Thanks for your attention and may the force be with you.

So, if he were a Muslim (which he is NOT), why would it matter? Do you think he's going to hijack Air Force One and fly it into a building? Give me a break. You've been reading too many email forwards. Get your facts straight before posting drivel like this.

Gmoney

WickedJeremy, I can understand why you would be a little paranoid when you haven't researched the other side of Obama. Im not hating on you for any of your post. Having lived in Chicago I know a lot about Obama's efforts towards bettering this nation. What bothers me most about the debates sparked by your op is that we sadly think of the Muslim or Islamic religions as evil. Millions of people practice these religions. We were attacked by a handful, and fear Al-Qaeda, an extreme sector. Yet, now we associate these religions with terror and fear and because Obama may have been exposed to a bit of their beliefs we think he might be associated with terrorist? It's insane to me, and very sad. I have some dear, dear friends who are Islamic and they hate and fear Al-Qaeda as much as you and me.

sweet adeline

1. obama is not a muslim

2. there were and are plenty of people who commit acts of terrorism who hide under the guise of christianity.

so i guess we can't trust anyone anymore. :rolleyes: