I'm not asking for a excel sheet either. But you havent given up 1 single source for your claims. Not 1 web-site, 1 book, 1 paper, nothing. I will assume you either have no source, or that they are so shady you wont show them. A claim is only as good as it's source. That's a very useful academic and scientific rule of thumb.
But fine, I'm not gonna force you to make your own case.
"YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
While the people are virtuous they cannot be subdued; but once they lose their virtue, they will be ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal invader.... If virtue and knowledge are diffused among the people, they will never be enslaved. This will be their great security.
& For shits and giggles,
here is a link to some "proof" for you regarding zionist control. The Rothschild Money Trust
See, you give your sources when you say something, and I respect that (although I don't respect some of your sources). But in this thread I have been met with nothing but dodging so far.
As for the book, it starts with the elders of Zion as reality and is written in 1940. Perhaps a fun read, but I am suspicious of it's agenda from the look of it.
And as for Rothschild reporting profit now doesnt prove much either in itself.
But that's 2 sources with the snap of a finger. Good job!
Peace
Dan
"YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
What's more likely, is that given the ideological drive towards more "free capitalism", less regulation, less government initiated by people with loads of money, have led to this situation, which has worsened because of "hands off" policies by the republicans in particular, but also deep within the democratic party. This is not only a US trend, but also noticable worldwide. Since it is apparent that hands off is not so good an idea after all, government re-regulates and takes the wheel again since it seems clear that the car couldnt drive itself after all, and we were heading straight off the road.
That's almost a little maxim for me: If "they" are so powerful, why do they bother with the schemes? Stability would be their best friend in the world. Conflicting interests and complicated interconnections for all of the involved looks to me much more likely.
Peace
Dan
This is particularly impressive if you compare politicians speeches before/after this summer. Here, our own midget in chief was all over deregulation, house loans guaranteed by the value of the house, massive privatisations etc. His most recent speeches have taken the words out of the mouth of our socialist party. It would be fun if it wasn't sad.
See, you give your sources when you say something, and I respect that (although I don't respect some of your sources). But in this thread I have been met with nothing but dodging so far.
As for the book, it starts with the elders of Zion as reality and is written in 1940. Perhaps a fun read, but I am suspicious of it's agenda from the look of it.
And as for Rothschild reporting profit now doesnt prove much either in itself.
But that's 2 sources with the snap of a finger. Good job!
Peace
Dan
you and your "I'm being dodged man...dodged!".
funny stuff
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
What's funny is not debating one's own thread and refusing to back up one's own controversial claims.
But if you dont wanna, I'm not gonna make you.
Peace
Dan
"YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
What's funny is not debating one's own thread and refusing to back up one's own controversial claims.
But if you dont wanna, I'm not gonna make you.
Peace
Dan
Links or dodge!
lol...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
See, you give your sources when you say something, and I respect that (although I don't respect some of your sources). But in this thread I have been met with nothing but dodging so far.
As for the book, it starts with the elders of Zion as reality and is written in 1940. Perhaps a fun read, but I am suspicious of it's agenda from the look of it.
And as for Rothschild reporting profit now doesnt prove much either in itself.
But that's 2 sources with the snap of a finger. Good job!
It is estimated that his total philanthropic expenditure in Palestine between 1884 and 1934 was about $6 million, an enormous sum at the time. On his death in 1934, almost 125,000 acres of land and more than 40 settlements testified to his contribution and support.
6 Million, using 1900 as the average between 1884 & 1934, according to the inflation calculator is a whopping $147,682,023.32 or 150 Million in 2007 dollars.
Keep in mind,
i am no anti-semite.
My fathers family all but dissapeared to the death camps of WWII,
and i have a deep respect for the jewish tenacity of spirit.
But some things ARE documented history.
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
6 Million, using 1900 as the average between 1884 & 1934, according to the inflation calculator is a whopping $147,682,023.32 or 150 Million in 2007 dollars.
Keep in mind,
i am no anti-semite.
My fathers family all but dissapeared to the death camps of WWII,
and i have a deep respect for the jewish tenacity of spirit.
But some things ARE documented history.
The rothschilds certainly are wealthy, and some of them at least are zionists. That's fair enough, but it doesn't prove that the world and the financial market is run by a conspiracy of zionists. That they had the power to corner one market in napoleonic times, doesnt mean they have anything like that capability now. I'm sure they're influential though.
The problem though, is that the more pro-capitalism one is, the more pro-letting-these-people-rule-unhindered one is too.
Peace
Dan
"YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
The rothschilds certainly are wealthy, and some of them at least are zionists. That's fair enough, but it doesn't prove that the world and the financial market is run by a conspiracy of zionists. That they had the power to corner one market in napoleonic times, doesnt mean they have anything like that capability now. I'm sure they're influential though.
The problem though, is that the more pro-capitalism one is, the more pro-letting-these-people-rule-unhindered one is too.
Peace
Dan
I want to clear this up right now.
It should be easy with you, Dan, since at least you argue rationally and respectfully. God knows we have our ideological differences, but I certainly respect your argumentation.
So.
To clarify.
I am NOT talking about a giant Zionist conspiracy, where the world is controlled in chief by "evil jews".
That being said, there are certain very powerful and manipulative forces in this world that DO stem directly from Zionist ideologies at the top ... and there is a LOT OF DENIAL about that fact.
Did not BOTH Biden and Brzezinski (Obama's shadow advisor) recently get in trouble for badmouthing AIPAC as being "too influential" upon congress?
Hell, the Zionist intentions were SO STRONG that, in fact, they overcame substantial RESISTANCE on the part of Britain after WWII. They violated law, risked getting thrown in prison, in order to occupy Palestine.
If you want to take it WAY back, just to show the CLEAR connections between the super rich Zionists,The Establishment of Israel, and the current world power structure ... let us go back to 1896.
If that doesn't make the links here crystal clear, i don't know what will.
For fucks sake folks, I am not saying "Jews run the world", or anything so simplisticaly stupid.
But to deny the reality that one of the richest families in the world just so happens to have had a radical influence on the establishment of a Zionist state (Israel, duh) ... along with a MASSIVE amount of interest in the banking systems of the world ... is just to deny reality.
This is not anti-semitic shit,
this is just history.
If you UNDERSTAND this stuff,
it might give you a better read on where we are at currently.
If you make stupid jokes at it, and insinuate that anyone who cares about it is scared of "evil jews", you simply condemn yourself to lifelong ignorance.
Sorry Dan, NONE of that was directed at you,
it was just easier to vent "here" than "there".
thanks
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
I want to clear this up right now.
It should be easy with you, Dan, since at least you argue rationally and respectfully. God knows we have our ideological differences, but I certainly respect your argumentation.
Mind if I print this and frame it.
So.
To clarify.
I am NOT talking about a giant Zionist conspiracy, where the world is controlled in chief by "evil jews".
I didn't say you did. Roland has been saying that without much substantiating. When you come with those links I interpreted it as support for Roland.
But to deny the reality that one of the richest families in the world just so happens to have had a radical influence on the establishment of a Zionist state (Israel, duh) ... along with a MASSIVE amount of interest in the banking systems of the world ... is just to deny reality.
At least some of them supported it with money and probably wielded their influence too. Ain't arguing that.
Sorry Dan, NONE of that was directed at you,
it was just easier to vent "here" than "there".
thanks
No problem.
Peace
Dan
"YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
I think homeland security has finally put the clampdown on my internet connection....all I see are links to CNN, and Cheney hunting.
anyhow.....remember, if you don't go out and buy a bunch of Christmas crap ON CREDIT, the terrorists will have won!
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Comments
http://www.halfsigma.com/2008/09/ahmadinejad-says-its-the-jews-fault.html
happy now
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
& For shits and giggles,
here is a link to some "proof" for you regarding zionist control.
The Rothschild Money Trust
While just about every bank in the world is stumbling and taking massive write downs and profit contractions,
Rothschild Investment Banking Posts Record Results.
Hmm.
Go figure.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
See, you give your sources when you say something, and I respect that (although I don't respect some of your sources). But in this thread I have been met with nothing but dodging so far.
As for the book, it starts with the elders of Zion as reality and is written in 1940. Perhaps a fun read, but I am suspicious of it's agenda from the look of it.
And as for Rothschild reporting profit now doesnt prove much either in itself.
But that's 2 sources with the snap of a finger. Good job!
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
you and your "I'm being dodged man...dodged!".
funny stuff
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
But if you dont wanna, I'm not gonna make you.
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
Links or dodge!
lol...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Here is another one for you,The Rise of the House of Rothschild (1928), although the first link i gave you (The Roth. $ Trust) IS a classic.
Not available online, but also excellent, is The House of Rothschild: Money's Prophets.
The massive accumulation of wealth on the part of the Rothschild dynasty is a historical FACT, not some conspiracy theory.
It is a FACT that Nathan Rothschild all but cornered the entire British stock market by manipulation, after the defeat of Napoleon.
It is a FACT that the House of Rothschild was a significant force behind the creation of the Federal Reserve.
And then there is the outright Zionism:
-source
6 Million, using 1900 as the average between 1884 & 1934, according to the inflation calculator is a whopping $147,682,023.32 or 150 Million in 2007 dollars.
Keep in mind,
i am no anti-semite.
My fathers family all but dissapeared to the death camps of WWII,
and i have a deep respect for the jewish tenacity of spirit.
But some things ARE documented history.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
The problem though, is that the more pro-capitalism one is, the more pro-letting-these-people-rule-unhindered one is too.
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
It should be easy with you, Dan, since at least you argue rationally and respectfully. God knows we have our ideological differences, but I certainly respect your argumentation.
So.
To clarify.
I am NOT talking about a giant Zionist conspiracy, where the world is controlled in chief by "evil jews".
That being said, there are certain very powerful and manipulative forces in this world that DO stem directly from Zionist ideologies at the top ... and there is a LOT OF DENIAL about that fact.
Did not BOTH Biden and Brzezinski (Obama's shadow advisor) recently get in trouble for badmouthing AIPAC as being "too influential" upon congress?
Hell, the Zionist intentions were SO STRONG that, in fact, they overcame substantial RESISTANCE on the part of Britain after WWII. They violated law, risked getting thrown in prison, in order to occupy Palestine.
If you want to take it WAY back, just to show the CLEAR connections between the super rich Zionists,The Establishment of Israel, and the current world power structure ... let us go back to 1896.
Der Judenstaat, one of the most important historical Zionist texts, was published in 1896, authored by Theodor Herzl, the man who presided over the first World Zionist Congress just one year later. THE ORIGINAL TITLE OF THIS "BOOK"? url=http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Zionism/herzl2.html]more like a pamphlet[/url
"Address to the Rothschilds"
If that doesn't make the links here crystal clear, i don't know what will.
For fucks sake folks, I am not saying "Jews run the world", or anything so simplisticaly stupid.
But to deny the reality that one of the richest families in the world just so happens to have had a radical influence on the establishment of a Zionist state (Israel, duh) ... along with a MASSIVE amount of interest in the banking systems of the world ... is just to deny reality.
This is not anti-semitic shit,
this is just history.
If you UNDERSTAND this stuff,
it might give you a better read on where we are at currently.
If you make stupid jokes at it, and insinuate that anyone who cares about it is scared of "evil jews", you simply condemn yourself to lifelong ignorance.
Sorry Dan, NONE of that was directed at you,
it was just easier to vent "here" than "there".
If I opened it now would you not understand?
I didn't say you did. Roland has been saying that without much substantiating. When you come with those links I interpreted it as support for Roland.
At least some of them supported it with money and probably wielded their influence too. Ain't arguing that.
No problem.
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
I think homeland security has finally put the clampdown on my internet connection....all I see are links to CNN, and Cheney hunting.
anyhow.....remember, if you don't go out and buy a bunch of Christmas crap ON CREDIT, the terrorists will have won!
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")