Financial Revolution Underway Led by Global Banking System

BinFrog

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I would like to see someone say the fed and world bank are not held primarily by Jewish interests and keep a straight face.

I'd like to see you post a fear mongering link or a lengthy document about some high reaching conspiracy without an "I told you so" smirk on your face.

BinFrog

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I would like to see someone say the fed and world bank are not held primarily by Jewish interests and keep a straight face.

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1365

Funny, I'm not smiling.


And go find me a legitimate source that says the Jews run the World Bank and the Fed. All I find are crackpot religious pages and conspiracy sites.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

BinFrog wrote:

Post 17 was the most ridiculous post in this entire thread and I did not feel it warranted a reaction. You've been asked for sources, you've given nothing. That's pretty much par for the course when you try to rile things up around here.

The media is sometimes biased in favor of Israel, but more and more I see coverage of the atrocities committed by Israel as well as the Palestinians. There's no conspiracy here. And why do the media demonize Muslims? Well, they demonize extremists. There just happen to be a lot of them. Look up terrorist attacks, beheadings, stonings, fundamentalist regimes and unstable countries with access to devastating weapons who believe their way is the only way. Do you see a commonality? Don't write that off as media bias. There's a reason there is a backlash against Muslims, and unfortunately it means PEOPLE, not the MEDIA, extend that bias beyond the fundamentalists to sometimes include the whole population, which of course is just wrong. But on the other hand, can you blame people for being scared, especially after 9/11?

So you're saying pro Israeli news organisations are promoting Muslims in a good light, or a bad light? Do you not see the blindingly obvious conflict of interest by default? You;re seeing the pseudo coverage, but where is the slant leaning? There's the catch.

Who is terrorizing who exactly?

This is why I refrain on some people, because they don't know enough about it to actually see through it.

BinFrog

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

So you're saying pro Israeli news organisations are promoting Muslims in a good light, or a bad light? Do you not see the blindingly obvious conflict of interest by default? You;re seeing the pseudo coverage, but where is the slant leaning? There's the catch.

Who is terrorizing who exactly?

This is why I refrain on some people, because they don't know enough about it to actually see through it.

You're not a beam of information that needs to be brought to light, and condescension will get you nowhere.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

BinFrog wrote:

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1365

Funny, I'm not smiling.


And go find me a legitimate source that says the Jews run the World Bank and the Fed. All I find are crackpot religious pages and conspiracy sites.

Funny how you guys ask for links, like there is one link that explains everything. That's akin to ordering a diploma online, and saying you graduated from something.

It's as simple as following the money trail, and interests therein, and looking around at what is going on.

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess you believe the official 9/11 story in every aspect at face value.

That's a good indicator of what is a circular reality discussion.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

BinFrog wrote:

You're not a beam of information that needs to be brought to light, and condescension will get you nowhere.

So... who is terrorizing who?

tell me.

BinFrog

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Funny how you guys ask for links, like there is one link that explains everything. That's akin to ordering a diploma online, and saying you graduated from something.

It's as simple as following the money trail, and interests therein, and looking around at what is going on.

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess you believe the official 9/11 story in every aspect at face value.

That's a good indicator of what is a circular reality discussion.

Yes, we ask for links. I provided 1. I believe the score is now me 1, you 0. Your turn. You can’t call me out for providing a link. At least I’m trying.

No, I do not believe all of the 9/11 stories events that have been given to us. But I believe:

1) We were attacked by Muslim extremists
2) The PA crash was not a plane having been shot down
3) A plane hit the pentagon
4) The WTC fell under its own weight when the steel reached a critical malleable point due to the heat
5) It was not orchestrated by the US in any way shape or form.

Don't assume anything about me, or about anyone else here for that matter. I'm not a sheep and I can make my own decisions. I know when I am being spoonfed something.

Your condescension far outweighs any value you bring to the table with all of your posts.

BinFrog

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

So... who is terrorizing who?

tell me.

Do you mean who am I scared of when I board a plane?

Look...Israel is not innocent, and neither are the Palestinians or the rest of the Muslim world. Don't try to turn this whole issue around and make the Jews out to be the only evil ones. None of us are clean. Period. Let's look at history and talk about persecution, shall we?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

BinFrog wrote:

Yes, we ask for links. I provided 1. I believe the score is now me 1, you 0. Your turn. You can’t call me out for providing a link. At least I’m trying.

No, I do not believe all of the 9/11 stories events that have been given to us. But I believe:

1) We were attacked by Muslim extremists
2) The PA crash was not a plane having been shot down
3) A plane hit the pentagon
4) The WTC fell under its own weight when the steel reached a critical malleable point due to the heat
5) It was not orchestrated by the US in any way shape or form.

Don't assume anything about me, or about anyone else here for that matter. I'm not a sheep and I can make my own decisions. I know when I am being spoonfed something.

Your condescension far outweighs any value you bring to the table with all of your posts.

Well that's the crux of the official story in a nutshell. What you call condescension is what I call being up front and direct on an issue that merits it. People have been beating around the bush on this area of discussion for going on 8 years now.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

BinFrog wrote:

Do you mean who am I scared of when I board a plane?

Look...Israel is not innocent, and neither are the Palestinians or the rest of the Muslim world. Don't try to turn this whole issue around and make the Jews out to be the only evil ones. None of us are clean. Period. Let's look at history and talk about persecution, shall we?

You mean look at history of foreign influence in the middle east based on financial gain, and core religious beliefs, and how the basic rights of the people living there come into play?

What are the Palestinians guilty of? being alive in a certain location? This is their crime?

hmm

RolandTD20Kdrummer

...and we can also look at Germany and the holocaust and say "well where were the Jews supposed to go?" That's fine. Germany was a brutal place to live post war.

Somewhere obviously. Christians live all over the world, so do Jews. Is Christianity a race of people? Is the Jewish faith? That's another topic.

So by looking at the current actions and practices, the holocaust has turned into a pay it forward endeavor with the price to be ultimately paid by the Palestinians. Why?

Can Israel let these people have their own identity? Why not? it's expected actually, so why aren't they?

Good question. Why aren't they? Why does Israel persist in nurturing this imbalanced reality of basic human rights? Why do they persist in bulldozing homes to setup racial colonies while effectively cleansing the region of people they see as inferior in every way?

Where is the right and wrong in all of this? Why is coverage slanted by the media in one direction by people who own the media, and in large part by the people who head up the financial system? Where are the true loyalties and to whom? Judging by where all the money is raining down (in the form of multi-thousand dollar bombs) from multi-million dollar aircraft, in multi-trillion dollar expenditures on dirt poor farmers, it seems to be rather clear what is for what, and for whom, and by whom.

(no links required)

OutOfBreath

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Why is the media biased towards Israel? The largest media monopoly in Canada is comprised of Jewish interests that's no secret. In fact most of the mainstream media around the world is like this. Why do you think the general public is being manipulated into thinking a certain way in this regard? What is to gain? If you look at it from a religious/money perspective it makes sense that Israel is put first and the muslims are put second....demonised as terrorists actually. Oil is money, control the money (this is very key), and play in religious prophecy. The two go hand in hand in a certain direction. This is the reality we are living in currently.

What else explains why we are being led to believe all things muslim are dangerous, and to be mistrusted, and in the end...evil?

Who do you think is doing this?

Chance?

I dont know what media you refer to, but there certainly are no Israel cheer-leading in the press over here. Well, except for evangelicals of course.

As for the demonization of Islam, I think 9/11 had a tinsy winsy bit to do with that. There weren't much demonizing before 9/11, well except from in the case of Saddam Hussein I suppose. (But he wasn't so nice a guy either, so..)

But still you give no sources or indicate where you get this information. You just allude to "the media" very sketchily. You make a tall claim that jews rule everything, without offering real sources, only "can't you see" rhetoric. I dont see it, and ask you to point in the direction of something that supports your claim.

Peace
Dan

RolandTD20Kdrummer

OutOfBreath wrote:

I dont know what media you refer to, but there certainly are no Israel cheer-leading in the press over here. Well, except for evangelicals of course.

As for the demonization of Islam, I think 9/11 had a tinsy winsy bit to do with that. There weren't much demonizing before 9/11, well except from in the case of Saddam Hussein I suppose. (But he wasn't so nice a guy either, so..)

But still you give no sources or indicate where you get this information. You just allude to "the media" very sketchily. You make a tall claim that jews rule everything, without offering real sources, only "can't you see" rhetoric. I dont see it, and ask you to point in the direction of something that supports your claim.

Peace
Dan

Isn't it a bit incredible then that your media lines right up with Canada and the US? or are you getting a different story then what I'm hearing?

The same deal could be said for the elements in the West since 9/11, or certain other figure heads in Israel, compared to Bin Laden, but it isn't painted that way now is it?

I thought you were going for the impartial angle?

Seems you've been affected without actually realising it.

pearljamfan1212

as someone who is new around here, I took a few minutes to read this thread and Breath and Bin are making this Roland look like a fool. no offense but wow. like Breath said somewhere, why make a thread if you aren't going to make your case? besides the classic "can't you see". carry on.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

pearljamfan1212 wrote:

as someone who is new around here, I took a few minutes to read this thread and Breath and Bin are making this Roland look like a fool. no offense but wow. like Breath said somewhere, why make a thread if you aren't going to make your case? besides the classic "can't you see". carry on.

Welcome to the world of mainstream media, where your mind is a playground for special interests.

How bout Bin Laden isn't even wanted for 9/11 on the FBI's website?

Imagine that.

How's that for a merry go round?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

I can't think outside of the box, and I refuse to look outside it.

Islam is evil, they are terrorising the world. I know because the media tells me this ALL THE TIME....

The US is just defending itself in another country(ssss) and elsewhere around the world because they are occupying these places, and you really can defend yourself in an occupation on foreign soil. People seem to believe this.

This box is so comfortable, that I can't even see outside it, nor do I want to apparently.

no obvious media bias exists...it's an illusion apparently.

yeah oh...

no problem, hop on, and enjoy the ride...

pearljamfan1212

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I can't think outside of the box, and I refuse to look outside it.

Islam is evil, they are terrorising the world. I know because the media tells me this ALL THE TIME....

The US is just defending itself in another country(ssss) and elsewhere around the world because they are occupying these places, and you really can defend yourself in an occupation on foreign soil. People seem to believe this.

This box is so comfortable, that I can't even see outside it, nor do I want to apparently.

no obvious media bias exists...it's an illusion apparently.

yeah oh...

no problem, hop on, and enjoy the ride...

LOL its like talking to a child. really no offense but I hope you can do better then this.

the media doesnt say Islam is a problem. ever. its extreme Islam thats the problem. you know the Taliban line of thinking. be Islam or die....

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/taliban.html (is this source a jewish run site? I dont know maybe its all lies!!)

The Taliban, under the direction of Mullah Muhammad Omar, brought about this order through the institution of a very strict interpretation of Sharia, or Islamic law. Public executions and punishments (such as floggings) became regular events at Afghan soccer stadiums. Frivolous activities, like kite-flying, were outlawed. In order to root out "non-Islamic" influence, television, music, and the Internet were banned. Men were required to wear beards, and subjected to beatings if they didn't.

Most shocking to the West was the Taliban's treatment of women. When the Taliban took Kabul, they immediately forbade girls to go to school. Moreover, women were barred from working outside the home, precipitating a crisis in healthcare and education. Women were also prohibited from leaving their home without a male relative—those that did so risked being beaten, even shot, by officers of the "ministry for the protection of virtue and prevention of vice." A woman caught wearing fingernail polish may have had her fingertips chopped off. All this, according to the Taliban, was to safeguard women and their honor.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

pearljamfan1212 wrote:

LOL its like talking to a child. really no offense but I hope you can do better then this.

the media doesnt say Islam is a problem. ever. its extreme Islam thats the problem. you know the Taliban line of thinking. be Islam or die....

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/taliban.html (is this source a jewish run site? I dont know maybe its all lies!!)

The Taliban, under the direction of Mullah Muhammad Omar, brought about this order through the institution of a very strict interpretation of Sharia, or Islamic law. Public executions and punishments (such as floggings) became regular events at Afghan soccer stadiums. Frivolous activities, like kite-flying, were outlawed. In order to root out "non-Islamic" influence, television, music, and the Internet were banned. Men were required to wear beards, and subjected to beatings if they didn't.

Most shocking to the West was the Taliban's treatment of women. When the Taliban took Kabul, they immediately forbade girls to go to school. Moreover, women were barred from working outside the home, precipitating a crisis in healthcare and education. Women were also prohibited from leaving their home without a male relative—those that did so risked being beaten, even shot, by officers of the "ministry for the protection of virtue and prevention of vice." A woman caught wearing fingernail polish may have had her fingertips chopped off. All this, according to the Taliban, was to safeguard women and their honor.

Makes them out to look pretty evil eh? Those terrible terrible people. Those monsters look what they do. They should have bombs dropped on them where ever possible.

http://images.google.ca/images?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=4pf&resnum=0&q=bush%20saudi&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

Those terrible people...

yeap....terrible.

pearljamfan1212

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Makes them out to look pretty evil eh? Those terrible terrible people. Those monsters look what they do. They should have bombs dropped on them where ever possible.

http://images.google.ca/images?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=4pf&resnum=0&q=bush%20saudi&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

Those terrible people...

yeap....terrible.

I have no idea what point you are trying to make here? Breath/Frog, I can quickly and easily see your frustration here.

seriously, what are you getting at? last I checked, the Saudis are not the Taliban so not sure why you felt the needs to do a quick bush saudi google image search?

are you trying to say the Taliban are not terrible people? do you agree with their treatment of women? maybe the way the punish with death for flying a kite?

pearljamfan1212

BinFrog wrote:

You've been asked for sources, you've given nothing. That's pretty much par for the course when you try to rile things up around here.

AH. ok. thanks for clearing that up for me. I'll quietly leave this thread now. good luck guys. I guess the goal is to actually rile things up. not actually debate. not my cup of tea.