...and we can also look at Germany and the holocaust and say "well where were the Jews supposed to go?" That's fine. Germany was a brutal place to live post war.
Somewhere obviously. Christians live all over the world, so do Jews. Is Christianity a race of people? Is the Jewish faith? That's another topic.
So by looking at the current actions and practices, the holocaust has turned into a pay it forward endeavor with the price to be ultimately paid by the Palestinians. Why?
Can Israel let these people have their own identity? Why not? it's expected actually, so why aren't they?
Good question. Why aren't they? Why does Israel persist in nurturing this imbalanced reality of basic human rights? Why do they persist in bulldozing homes to setup racial colonies while effectively cleansing the region of people they see as inferior in every way?
Where is the right and wrong in all of this? Why is coverage slanted by the media in one direction by people who own the media, and in large part by the people who head up the financial system? Where are the true loyalties and to whom? Judging by where all the money is raining down (in the form of multi-thousand dollar bombs) from multi-million dollar aircraft, in multi-trillion dollar expenditures on dirt poor farmers, it seems to be rather clear what is for what, and for whom, and by whom.
(no links required)
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Why is the media biased towards Israel? The largest media monopoly in Canada is comprised of Jewish interests that's no secret. In fact most of the mainstream media around the world is like this. Why do you think the general public is being manipulated into thinking a certain way in this regard? What is to gain? If you look at it from a religious/money perspective it makes sense that Israel is put first and the muslims are put second....demonised as terrorists actually. Oil is money, control the money (this is very key), and play in religious prophecy. The two go hand in hand in a certain direction. This is the reality we are living in currently.
What else explains why we are being led to believe all things muslim are dangerous, and to be mistrusted, and in the end...evil?
Who do you think is doing this?
Chance?
I dont know what media you refer to, but there certainly are no Israel cheer-leading in the press over here. Well, except for evangelicals of course.
As for the demonization of Islam, I think 9/11 had a tinsy winsy bit to do with that. There weren't much demonizing before 9/11, well except from in the case of Saddam Hussein I suppose. (But he wasn't so nice a guy either, so..)
But still you give no sources or indicate where you get this information. You just allude to "the media" very sketchily. You make a tall claim that jews rule everything, without offering real sources, only "can't you see" rhetoric. I dont see it, and ask you to point in the direction of something that supports your claim.
Peace
Dan
"YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
I dont know what media you refer to, but there certainly are no Israel cheer-leading in the press over here. Well, except for evangelicals of course.
As for the demonization of Islam, I think 9/11 had a tinsy winsy bit to do with that. There weren't much demonizing before 9/11, well except from in the case of Saddam Hussein I suppose. (But he wasn't so nice a guy either, so..)
But still you give no sources or indicate where you get this information. You just allude to "the media" very sketchily. You make a tall claim that jews rule everything, without offering real sources, only "can't you see" rhetoric. I dont see it, and ask you to point in the direction of something that supports your claim.
Peace
Dan
Isn't it a bit incredible then that your media lines right up with Canada and the US? or are you getting a different story then what I'm hearing?
The same deal could be said for the elements in the West since 9/11, or certain other figure heads in Israel, compared to Bin Laden, but it isn't painted that way now is it?
I thought you were going for the impartial angle?
Seems you've been affected without actually realising it.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
as someone who is new around here, I took a few minutes to read this thread and Breath and Bin are making this Roland look like a fool. no offense but wow. like Breath said somewhere, why make a thread if you aren't going to make your case? besides the classic "can't you see". carry on.
as someone who is new around here, I took a few minutes to read this thread and Breath and Bin are making this Roland look like a fool. no offense but wow. like Breath said somewhere, why make a thread if you aren't going to make your case? besides the classic "can't you see". carry on.
Welcome to the world of mainstream media, where your mind is a playground for special interests.
How bout Bin Laden isn't even wanted for 9/11 on the FBI's website?
Imagine that.
How's that for a merry go round?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I can't think outside of the box, and I refuse to look outside it.
Islam is evil, they are terrorising the world. I know because the media tells me this ALL THE TIME....
The US is just defending itself in another country(ssss) and elsewhere around the world because they are occupying these places, and you really can defend yourself in an occupation on foreign soil. People seem to believe this.
This box is so comfortable, that I can't even see outside it, nor do I want to apparently.
no obvious media bias exists...it's an illusion apparently.
yeah oh...
no problem, hop on, and enjoy the ride...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I can't think outside of the box, and I refuse to look outside it.
Islam is evil, they are terrorising the world. I know because the media tells me this ALL THE TIME....
The US is just defending itself in another country(ssss) and elsewhere around the world because they are occupying these places, and you really can defend yourself in an occupation on foreign soil. People seem to believe this.
This box is so comfortable, that I can't even see outside it, nor do I want to apparently.
no obvious media bias exists...it's an illusion apparently.
yeah oh...
no problem, hop on, and enjoy the ride...
LOL its like talking to a child. really no offense but I hope you can do better then this.
the media doesnt say Islam is a problem. ever. its extreme Islam thats the problem. you know the Taliban line of thinking. be Islam or die....
The Taliban, under the direction of Mullah Muhammad Omar, brought about this order through the institution of a very strict interpretation of Sharia, or Islamic law. Public executions and punishments (such as floggings) became regular events at Afghan soccer stadiums. Frivolous activities, like kite-flying, were outlawed. In order to root out "non-Islamic" influence, television, music, and the Internet were banned. Men were required to wear beards, and subjected to beatings if they didn't.
Most shocking to the West was the Taliban's treatment of women. When the Taliban took Kabul, they immediately forbade girls to go to school. Moreover, women were barred from working outside the home, precipitating a crisis in healthcare and education. Women were also prohibited from leaving their home without a male relative—those that did so risked being beaten, even shot, by officers of the "ministry for the protection of virtue and prevention of vice." A woman caught wearing fingernail polish may have had her fingertips chopped off. All this, according to the Taliban, was to safeguard women and their honor.
The Taliban, under the direction of Mullah Muhammad Omar, brought about this order through the institution of a very strict interpretation of Sharia, or Islamic law. Public executions and punishments (such as floggings) became regular events at Afghan soccer stadiums. Frivolous activities, like kite-flying, were outlawed. In order to root out "non-Islamic" influence, television, music, and the Internet were banned. Men were required to wear beards, and subjected to beatings if they didn't.
Most shocking to the West was the Taliban's treatment of women. When the Taliban took Kabul, they immediately forbade girls to go to school. Moreover, women were barred from working outside the home, precipitating a crisis in healthcare and education. Women were also prohibited from leaving their home without a male relative—those that did so risked being beaten, even shot, by officers of the "ministry for the protection of virtue and prevention of vice." A woman caught wearing fingernail polish may have had her fingertips chopped off. All this, according to the Taliban, was to safeguard women and their honor.
Makes them out to look pretty evil eh? Those terrible terrible people. Those monsters look what they do. They should have bombs dropped on them where ever possible.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Makes them out to look pretty evil eh? Those terrible terrible people. Those monsters look what they do. They should have bombs dropped on them where ever possible.
I have no idea what point you are trying to make here? Breath/Frog, I can quickly and easily see your frustration here.
seriously, what are you getting at? last I checked, the Saudis are not the Taliban so not sure why you felt the needs to do a quick bush saudi google image search?
are you trying to say the Taliban are not terrible people? do you agree with their treatment of women? maybe the way the punish with death for flying a kite?
You've been asked for sources, you've given nothing. That's pretty much par for the course when you try to rile things up around here.
AH. ok. thanks for clearing that up for me. I'll quietly leave this thread now. good luck guys. I guess the goal is to actually rile things up. not actually debate. not my cup of tea.
I have no idea what point you are trying to make here? Breath/Frog, I can quickly and easily see your frustration here.
seriously, what are you getting at? last I checked, the Saudis are not the Taliban so not sure why you felt the needs to do a quick bush saudi google image search?
are you trying to say the Taliban are not terrible people? do you agree with their treatment of women? maybe the way the punish with death for flying a kite?
My mistake I thought the 9/11 hijackers were mostly from Saudi Arabia, the leader of same guy that Bush is so often seen kissing and holding hands with.
Maybe if they used the gas chamber, lethal injection, the electric chair, at some point, and dressed differently things would be entirely different?
Does it still give one side the right to invade these countries and "show them the way" by shock and aweing them (and their women and children) as a solution?
I suppose it does.
I've never quite understood the pouring of gasoline on a fire as an example of how to put it out.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
AH. ok. thanks for clearing that up for me. I'll quietly leave this thread now. good luck guys. I guess the goal is to actually rile things up. not actually debate. not my cup of tea.
You're right there is no blatant hypocrisy and conflicts of interest in this matter to be observed.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
My mistake I thought the 9/11 hijackers were mostly from Saudi Arabia, the leader of same guy that Bush is so often seen kissing and holding hands with.
so are you saying we should have invaded saudi instead of Afghanistan?
Does it still give one side the right to invade these countries and "show them the way" by shock and aweing them (and their women and children) as a solution?
in the case of Afghanistan, absolutely. they brought the war to our shores remember?
You're right there is no blatant hypocrisy and conflicts of interest in this matter to be observed.
I suggest brushing up on your debating skills. when confronted with a question you give goofy one liners and no sources when asked to back up such claims like "jews run the financial system". you dont seem like a dumb person, just a tad bit immature. again, no offense, just an observation.
so are you saying we should have invaded saudi instead of Afghanistan?
in the case of Afghanistan, absolutely. they brought the war to our shores remember?
its war dude. a war started by al queda and supported by the Taliban.
now in the case of Iraq, your argument is 100% true. but we arent talking about that now are we.
Saudi Arabia adheres to some of the the most strict forms of Sharia law, but it's ok because Bush's father was/is on their payroll, and let's face it they bailed out Harken Energy for Bush Jr. so they have a free pass. A little cash injection, and all is forgiven.
Al-qaeda no outside influences to be found there. They started it that's for sure...sitting there one day and out of the blue...boom...instant terrorists. That's what the mainstream media tells us.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I suggest brushing up on your debating skills. when confronted with a question you give goofy one liners and no sources when asked to back up such claims like "jews run the financial system". you dont seem like a dumb person, just a tad bit immature. again, no offense, just an observation.
You can observe realities, or play into them. It's your choice. Who heads up the FED and World bank? Look at the figure heads. Do you know who they are, and what they fundamentally believe in when push comes to shove?
Do you need a link for that?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Saudi Arabia adheres to some of the the most strict forms of Sharia law, but it's ok because Bush's father was/is on their payroll, and let's face it they bailed out Harken Energy for Bush Jr. so they have a free pass. A little cash injection, and all is forgiven.
so what do you suggest. should we invade them? Saudi government is horrible, I agree. but I see nothing to justify going to war with them.
Al-qaeda no outside influences to be found there. They started it that's for sure...sitting there one day and out of the blue...boom...instant terrorists. That's what the mainstream media tells us.
omg
so you believe al queda isnt real? only some made up organization that the US uses as justification for going to war. I'm not even going to fancy an argument here.
You can observe realities, or play into them. It's your choice. Who heads up the FED and World bank? Look at the figure heads. Do you know who they are, and what they fundamentally believe in when push comes to shove?
Do you need a link for that?
yes I need links, a reference to a book, examples of your claims, something. just saying "how can you not see it" isnt making an intelligent argument. just like the guy in the other thread saying "thats bullshit". not very smart.
and robert paulson heads the Fed, hes not a jew.
Robert Bruce Zoellick, ok he's a jew THEY RUN THE WORLD!!!
so what do you suggest. should we invade them? Saudi government is horrible, I agree. but I see nothing to justify going to war with them.
omg
so you believe al queda isnt real? only some made up organization that the US uses as justification for going to war. I'm not even going to fancy an argument here.
I'm just pointing out the blatant hypocrisy depending on the circumstances to suit the various agendas. Can you see this?
I only need to look so far as US interference in Central America (and elsewhere around the globe) to get a good idea of how things operate, and have been for decades. Iran/Iraq war maybe? You can see that right? The whole enemy's enemy is a friend thing?
Does this not play into the thought process at some point?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
yes I need links, a reference to a book, examples of your claims, something. just saying "how can you not see it" isnt making an intelligent argument. just like the guy in the other thread saying "thats bullshit". not very smart.
and robert paulson heads the Fed, hes not a jew.
Robert Bruce Zoellick, ok he's a jew THEY RUN THE WORLD!!!
Is he not a zionist? Maybe I should have expanded the umbrella to hard right zionist thinking interests. Does it make sense then?
Give me control of a nations money and I care not who makes it's laws.
Where is the world financial structure heading right now, and why do you think it's amalgamating into one point of central control. Do you think it's random chance this is taking place?
Do you think it's random chance the world has been engulfed in a holy war against islam in general based on the concept you're either with us or against us?
It all ties to 9/11 without question. That's what started it all.
Israel is smack dab in the center of the storm. Have you taken a good hard look at the 9/11 hijackers and how that whole thing pans out?.. and why some are still alive?
Immediately after 9/11 they came out and said voila, we know who did it specifically. These guys....and they even found an unburned paper passport in the wtc wreckage as proof. Does that not strike you as incredibly odd? Then Iraq is attacked on top of it all? The fact that these guys couldn't even fly a Cessna if their lives depended on it according to their trainers yet can pull off mind boggling maneuvers in massive commercial airliners, that many commercial pilots are still scratching their heads over as to how it was done?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
So where does this all lead up to and for what reasons? Fighting al qaueda and the taliban to resolve the "issue" because they are by and large the root cause?
Is it a stretch to say they are most likely somewhat secondary to the process?
Is this a money game, or really just about fighting the war on terror?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Is he not a zionist? Maybe I should have expanded the umbrella to hard right zionist thinking interests. Does it make sense then?
Give me control of a nations money and I care not who makes it's laws.
Where is the world financial structure heading right now, and why do you think it's amalgamating into one point of central control. Do you think it's random chance this is taking place?
Do you think it's random chance the world has been engulfed in a holy war against islam in general based on the concept you're either with us or against us?
It all ties to 9/11 without question. That's what started it all.
Israel is smack dab in the center of the storm. Have you taken a good hard look at the 9/11 hijackers and how that whole thing pans out?.. and why some are still alive?
Immediately after 9/11 they came out and said voila, we know who did it specifically. These guys....and they even found an unburned paper passport in the wtc wreckage as proof. Does that not strike you as incredibly odd? Then Iraq is attacked on top of it all? The fact that these guys couldn't even fly a Cessna if their lives depended on it according to their trainers yet can pull off mind boggling maneuvers in massive commercial airliners, that many commercial pilots are still scratching their heads over as to how it was done?
you ask good questions, sadly all of your points become mute once you claim some of the hijackers are still alive. and then blah blah blah 9/11 is a conspiracy. my god do people still really believe this?
you ask good questions, sadly all of your points become mute once you claim some of the hijackers are still alive. and then blah blah blah 9/11 is a conspiracy. my god do people still really believe this?
The ones that have looked in to it more than face value, yes, there are many questions and inconsistencies left unanswered.
Everything hinges on 9/11. Everything. It all goes back to that day., and everything after it has been lies, lies, and more lies, so what do you think?
9/11 is automatically the truth? Statistically that is a really, really bad bet and assumption.
Regardless of how all the physics semantics aspects worked out, there was fore knowledge it was going to happen.
Looking at the all evidence, it was not a casual occurrence by any means. One would have to be incredibly close minded to state otherwise given the information.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
So where does this all lead up to and for what reasons? Fighting al qaueda and the taliban to resolve the "issue" because they are by and large the root cause?
Is it a stretch to say they are most likely somewhat secondary to the process?
Is this a money game, or really just about fighting the war on terror?
I'm starting to get the feeling the whole world is out to get you. is that about right?
The ones that have looked in to it more than face value, yes, there are many questions and inconsistencies left unanswered.
Everything hinges on 9/11. Everything. It all goes back to that day., and everything after it has been lies, lies, and more lies, so what do you think?
9/11 is automatically the truth? Statistically that is a really, really bad bet and assumption.
Regardless of how all the physics semantics aspects worked out, there was fore knowledge it was going to happen.
Looking at the all evidence, it was not a casual occurrence by any means. One would have to be incredibly close minded to state otherwise given the information.
These guys are seeing their picture on TV and wondering what is going on.
so am I
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I'm starting to get the feeling the whole world is out to get you. is that about right?
hardly... I thought you were the one citing debating skills as an issue...is it my turn?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
hardly... I thought you were the one citing debating skills as an issue...is it my turn?
I'm sorry, I wasn't aware you are one of the 9/11 truthers. debating with the likes of you is kinda like pissing in the wind, not a good idea. besides, all you are doing is asking rhetorical questions. you turned "cant you see" into a question. doesn't change that fact that you still bring nothing to the table ya know?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Comments
Somewhere obviously. Christians live all over the world, so do Jews. Is Christianity a race of people? Is the Jewish faith? That's another topic.
So by looking at the current actions and practices, the holocaust has turned into a pay it forward endeavor with the price to be ultimately paid by the Palestinians. Why?
Can Israel let these people have their own identity? Why not? it's expected actually, so why aren't they?
Good question. Why aren't they? Why does Israel persist in nurturing this imbalanced reality of basic human rights? Why do they persist in bulldozing homes to setup racial colonies while effectively cleansing the region of people they see as inferior in every way?
Where is the right and wrong in all of this? Why is coverage slanted by the media in one direction by people who own the media, and in large part by the people who head up the financial system? Where are the true loyalties and to whom? Judging by where all the money is raining down (in the form of multi-thousand dollar bombs) from multi-million dollar aircraft, in multi-trillion dollar expenditures on dirt poor farmers, it seems to be rather clear what is for what, and for whom, and by whom.
(no links required)
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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As for the demonization of Islam, I think 9/11 had a tinsy winsy bit to do with that. There weren't much demonizing before 9/11, well except from in the case of Saddam Hussein I suppose. (But he wasn't so nice a guy either, so..)
But still you give no sources or indicate where you get this information. You just allude to "the media" very sketchily. You make a tall claim that jews rule everything, without offering real sources, only "can't you see" rhetoric. I dont see it, and ask you to point in the direction of something that supports your claim.
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
Isn't it a bit incredible then that your media lines right up with Canada and the US? or are you getting a different story then what I'm hearing?
The same deal could be said for the elements in the West since 9/11, or certain other figure heads in Israel, compared to Bin Laden, but it isn't painted that way now is it?
I thought you were going for the impartial angle?
Seems you've been affected without actually realising it.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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Welcome to the world of mainstream media, where your mind is a playground for special interests.
How bout Bin Laden isn't even wanted for 9/11 on the FBI's website?
Imagine that.
How's that for a merry go round?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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Islam is evil, they are terrorising the world. I know because the media tells me this ALL THE TIME....
The US is just defending itself in another country(ssss) and elsewhere around the world because they are occupying these places, and you really can defend yourself in an occupation on foreign soil. People seem to believe this.
This box is so comfortable, that I can't even see outside it, nor do I want to apparently.
no obvious media bias exists...it's an illusion apparently.
yeah oh...
no problem, hop on, and enjoy the ride...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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LOL its like talking to a child. really no offense but I hope you can do better then this.
the media doesnt say Islam is a problem. ever. its extreme Islam thats the problem. you know the Taliban line of thinking. be Islam or die....
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/taliban.html (is this source a jewish run site? I dont know maybe its all lies!!)
The Taliban, under the direction of Mullah Muhammad Omar, brought about this order through the institution of a very strict interpretation of Sharia, or Islamic law. Public executions and punishments (such as floggings) became regular events at Afghan soccer stadiums. Frivolous activities, like kite-flying, were outlawed. In order to root out "non-Islamic" influence, television, music, and the Internet were banned. Men were required to wear beards, and subjected to beatings if they didn't.
Most shocking to the West was the Taliban's treatment of women. When the Taliban took Kabul, they immediately forbade girls to go to school. Moreover, women were barred from working outside the home, precipitating a crisis in healthcare and education. Women were also prohibited from leaving their home without a male relative—those that did so risked being beaten, even shot, by officers of the "ministry for the protection of virtue and prevention of vice." A woman caught wearing fingernail polish may have had her fingertips chopped off. All this, according to the Taliban, was to safeguard women and their honor.
Makes them out to look pretty evil eh? Those terrible terrible people. Those monsters look what they do. They should have bombs dropped on them where ever possible.
http://images.google.ca/images?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=4pf&resnum=0&q=bush%20saudi&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi
Those terrible people...
yeap....terrible.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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I have no idea what point you are trying to make here? Breath/Frog, I can quickly and easily see your frustration here.
seriously, what are you getting at? last I checked, the Saudis are not the Taliban so not sure why you felt the needs to do a quick bush saudi google image search?
are you trying to say the Taliban are not terrible people? do you agree with their treatment of women? maybe the way the punish with death for flying a kite?
AH. ok. thanks for clearing that up for me. I'll quietly leave this thread now. good luck guys. I guess the goal is to actually rile things up. not actually debate. not my cup of tea.
My mistake I thought the 9/11 hijackers were mostly from Saudi Arabia, the leader of same guy that Bush is so often seen kissing and holding hands with.
Maybe if they used the gas chamber, lethal injection, the electric chair, at some point, and dressed differently things would be entirely different?
Does it still give one side the right to invade these countries and "show them the way" by shock and aweing them (and their women and children) as a solution?
I suppose it does.
I've never quite understood the pouring of gasoline on a fire as an example of how to put it out.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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You're right there is no blatant hypocrisy and conflicts of interest in this matter to be observed.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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so are you saying we should have invaded saudi instead of Afghanistan?
in the case of Afghanistan, absolutely. they brought the war to our shores remember?
its war dude. a war started by al queda and supported by the Taliban.
now in the case of Iraq, your argument is 100% true. but we arent talking about that now are we.
Saudi Arabia adheres to some of the the most strict forms of Sharia law, but it's ok because Bush's father was/is on their payroll, and let's face it they bailed out Harken Energy for Bush Jr. so they have a free pass. A little cash injection, and all is forgiven.
Al-qaeda no outside influences to be found there. They started it that's for sure...sitting there one day and out of the blue...boom...instant terrorists. That's what the mainstream media tells us.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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So you don't see the hypocrisy?
You can observe realities, or play into them. It's your choice. Who heads up the FED and World bank? Look at the figure heads. Do you know who they are, and what they fundamentally believe in when push comes to shove?
Do you need a link for that?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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so what do you suggest. should we invade them? Saudi government is horrible, I agree. but I see nothing to justify going to war with them.
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so you believe al queda isnt real? only some made up organization that the US uses as justification for going to war. I'm not even going to fancy an argument here.
yes I need links, a reference to a book, examples of your claims, something. just saying "how can you not see it" isnt making an intelligent argument. just like the guy in the other thread saying "thats bullshit". not very smart.
and robert paulson heads the Fed, hes not a jew.
Robert Bruce Zoellick, ok he's a jew
I'm just pointing out the blatant hypocrisy depending on the circumstances to suit the various agendas. Can you see this?
I only need to look so far as US interference in Central America (and elsewhere around the globe) to get a good idea of how things operate, and have been for decades. Iran/Iraq war maybe? You can see that right? The whole enemy's enemy is a friend thing?
Does this not play into the thought process at some point?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Is he not a zionist? Maybe I should have expanded the umbrella to hard right zionist thinking interests. Does it make sense then?
Give me control of a nations money and I care not who makes it's laws.
Where is the world financial structure heading right now, and why do you think it's amalgamating into one point of central control. Do you think it's random chance this is taking place?
Do you think it's random chance the world has been engulfed in a holy war against islam in general based on the concept you're either with us or against us?
It all ties to 9/11 without question. That's what started it all.
Israel is smack dab in the center of the storm. Have you taken a good hard look at the 9/11 hijackers and how that whole thing pans out?.. and why some are still alive?
Immediately after 9/11 they came out and said voila, we know who did it specifically. These guys....and they even found an unburned paper passport in the wtc wreckage as proof. Does that not strike you as incredibly odd? Then Iraq is attacked on top of it all? The fact that these guys couldn't even fly a Cessna if their lives depended on it according to their trainers yet can pull off mind boggling maneuvers in massive commercial airliners, that many commercial pilots are still scratching their heads over as to how it was done?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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http://www.chycho.com/?q=node/1907
So where does this all lead up to and for what reasons? Fighting al qaueda and the taliban to resolve the "issue" because they are by and large the root cause?
Is it a stretch to say they are most likely somewhat secondary to the process?
Is this a money game, or really just about fighting the war on terror?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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you ask good questions, sadly all of your points become mute once you claim some of the hijackers are still alive. and then blah blah blah 9/11 is a conspiracy. my god do people still really believe this?
The ones that have looked in to it more than face value, yes, there are many questions and inconsistencies left unanswered.
Everything hinges on 9/11. Everything. It all goes back to that day., and everything after it has been lies, lies, and more lies, so what do you think?
9/11 is automatically the truth? Statistically that is a really, really bad bet and assumption.
Regardless of how all the physics semantics aspects worked out, there was fore knowledge it was going to happen.
Looking at the all evidence, it was not a casual occurrence by any means. One would have to be incredibly close minded to state otherwise given the information.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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I'm starting to get the feeling the whole world is out to get you. is that about right?
um ok. but the hijackers are not alive.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/hijackers.html
These guys are seeing their picture on TV and wondering what is going on.
so am I
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hardly... I thought you were the one citing debating skills as an issue...is it my turn?
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I'm sorry, I wasn't aware you are one of the 9/11 truthers. debating with the likes of you is kinda like pissing in the wind, not a good idea. besides, all you are doing is asking rhetorical questions. you turned "cant you see" into a question. doesn't change that fact that you still bring nothing to the table ya know?
well that didn't take long for this site to show up. ever wonder why this is the only sources of such non sense documented anywhere in the world?
Yes I do wonder why the mainstream media chooses certain angles to report. I also wonder why the 9/11 commission put out such expedient evidence without fully investigating things like this, and why the airline put options have yet to be traced, and also what has become the text message warnings: http://www.dailynewscaster.com/2008/11/13/two-israelis-world-trade-center-employees-receive-text-message-warning-of-911-attacks/
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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